Did Dabo encourage Deshaun Watson to cover up and lie....

[Superior7]

During the recruiting cycle for Deshaun Watson it is a known fact he visited Auburn in the month of May during the 2015 class recruiting cycle. The unexpectedly and wuickly leaked to the media and initially Watson denied and tried to cover up making the visit before coming clean with the real story.....

Watson was denying the reports of his presence in Auburn, but in fact he had made a trip to the SEC campus Thursday afternoon with another assistant, which Miller says was done without his knowledge. According to Miller, one of his assistant coaches was attending a graduation in Prattville, Ala., and Watson mentioned to him that Auburn had been in contact and he had interest in visiting, so the coach dropped him off. Miller says Watson acknowledged the visit to him at 6:30 a.m. Tuesday morning.

“Deshaun told me he visited Auburn and that he did not know what he was thinking,” Miller said. “Deshaun felt sorry about it and said he got talked into it at a weak moment because he had never seen Auburn. He said he realized after he got there that he should not have made the visit. He said “I then started trying to figure out how I could cover it up.”

As a recruit Deshaun was caught in a big lie and recently this USA Today article came out with him taking the responsibility for the decision to play on a torn ACL. Is the media and college football fans supposed to believe that story also or is it another cover up for Dabo????

 

[winloseortie]

Who cares. But I never believe what Dabo says.

 

[Gamecockfan58]

Did the Rev.encourage Deshaun to lie??? Is the Rev. still breathing???

 

[uscdoc]

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As a recruit Deshaun was caught in a big lie and recently this USA Today article came out with him taking the responsibility for the decision to play on a torn ACL. Is the media and college football fans supposed to believe that story also or is it another cover up for Dabo????[/QUOTE]

The decision for Watson to play on a torn ACL was the Coach's and team ortho doc's, who went on record as saying the knee brace would offer protection. That decision will haunt Clemson when Watson's knee goes bad and his family presses a lawsuit against those two parties. In today's day and age letting any athlete play with such an injury is not in the athlete's best long-term interest. The rest of the medical world watched in dismay.

 

[Superior7]

Who cares. But I never believe what Dabo says.

Fakers gonna fake, cheaters gonna cheat right? At least Dabo has hung himself in media and proven he is an untrustworthy liar.....

 

[Superior7]

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As a recruit Deshaun was caught in a big lie and recently this USA Today article came out with him taking the responsibility for the decision to play on a torn ACL. Is the media and college football fans supposed to believe that story also or is it another cover up for Dabo????

The decision for Watson to play on a torn ACL was the Coach's and team ortho doc's, who went on record as saying the knee brace would offer protection. That decision will haunt Clemson when Watson's knee goes bad and his family presses a lawsuit against those two parties. In today's day and age letting any athlete play with such an injury is not in the athlete's best long-term interest. The rest of the medical world watched in dismay.[/QUOTE]

After watching the Redskins overuse RG3 and damage his knee to the point that he has been unable to return to normal, it seems coaches and doctors at Clemson would know better and have learned from their mistakes. For some reason they feel invincible in those hills and try to get away with any bonehead decision they make.

 

[Bigger_Stronger_Faster]

This coach Miller sounds like a classy guy.

There had to be a reason Watson didn't want him to know he was taking the visit. I'm guessing Miller was just $All$$$In$.

 

[4forcu]

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As a recruit Deshaun was caught in a big lie and recently this USA Today article came out with him taking the responsibility for the decision to play on a torn ACL. Is the media and college football fans supposed to believe that story also or is it another cover up for Dabo????

The decision for Watson to play on a torn ACL was the Coach's and team ortho doc's, who went on record as saying the knee brace would offer protection. That decision will haunt Clemson when Watson's knee goes bad and his family presses a lawsuit against those two parties. In today's day and age letting any athlete play with such an injury is not in the athlete's best long-term interest. The rest of the medical world watched in dismay.[/QUOTE]
Not true

 

[Bigger_Stronger_Faster]

The decision for Watson to play on a torn ACL was the Coach's and team ortho doc's, who went on record as saying the knee brace would offer protection. That decision will haunt Clemson when Watson's knee goes bad and his family presses a lawsuit against those two parties. In today's day and age letting any athlete play with such an injury is not in the athlete's best long-term interest. The rest of the medical world watched in dismay.

Not true[/QUOTE]

How so?
Why bother to post if you're not going to elaborate?

 

[Bulldogpaw]

This FGF site is great for receiving information about Clemson. Every other post seems to reference something about Clemson.

 

[mbsurfside]

Well we could go to Dawgvent and read about politics. I will take FGF for 200.00 Alex

 

[Superior7]

Not true

How so?
Why bother to post if you're not going to elaborate?[/QUOTE]

Did Clemson have Watson sign a waiver to prevent a lawsuit??

 

[Superior7]

This FGF site is great for receiving information about Clemson. Every other post seems to reference something about Clemson.

If you want to search out the truth about Clemson, you better come to this site to figure it out Bulldogpaw.

In Clemson, they would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth....

 

[FreeSC]

My understanding is that coaches cannot play a student athlete unless he has been released by a doctor to play. Unless the specialist and team doctor both said Deshawn was healthy enough to play, Dabo had no decision to make, and neither did Deshawn.
This is what I hear from every head coach these days.

 

[uscdoc]

My understanding is that coaches cannot play a student athlete unless he has been released by a doctor to play. Unless the specialist and team doctor both said Deshawn was healthy enough to play, Dabo had no decision to make, and neither did Deshawn.
This is what I hear from every head coach these days.

There is input from the HC. The Ortho guys have an incentive to please the HC. I agree that the athlete is told what to do...unless Momma steps in. This case was theatrical. It was clear he was playing hurt.

 

[78 Yardcock]

So the ortho guys get bonus of financial kickbacks to please the HC?

 

[FreeSC]

There is input from the HC. The Ortho guys have an incentive to please the HC. I agree that the athlete is told what to do...unless Momma steps in. This case was theatrical. It was clear he was playing hurt.

Interesting input, thanks.
I wouldn't doubt that the head coach wouldn't tell the docs what they want, but aren't doctors these days terrified of being sued for malpractice??? That would seem to be a huge influence (together with the Hippocratic oath) to come down on the side of protecting the kid, if there was any real danger of more damage...

 

[DarkHorse2001]

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The decision for Watson to play on a torn ACL was the Coach's and team ortho doc's, who went on record as saying the knee brace would offer protection. That decision will haunt Clemson when Watson's knee goes bad and his family presses a lawsuit against those two parties. In today's day and age letting any athlete play with such an injury is not in the athlete's best long-term interest. The rest of the medical world watched in dismay.

I know I watched in dismay too.

 

[4forcu]

My understanding is that coaches cannot play a student athlete unless he has been released by a doctor to play. Unless the specialist and team doctor both said Deshawn was healthy enough to play, Dabo had no decision to make, and neither did Deshawn.
This is what I hear from every head coach these days.

Now truth rares it's ugly head.

 

[4forcu]

Not true

How so?
Why bother to post if you're not going to elaborate?[/QUOTE]
http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2...ils-his-decision-to-face-usc-with-a-torn-acl/

 

[FreeSC]

Now truth rares it's ugly head.

Hmmm.... Not sure what that means.
If you're implying that doctors released Watson against their better judgement, I don't think anyone in the world knows that but the doctors, do they? If a doctor were going to make a bone headed decision like that, would they really do it with millions of people watching? Would they not, at the very least, be concerned about their professional reputation? This was in front of millions of people.
I know of multiple football players, who have played on torn ACL, including Tajh Boyd when he was in high school.

 

[Carolina Bo]

Playing in a torn ACL is never the better choice than going ahead and getting the corrective surgery that Watson obviously needed and got after our game.

Didn't matter anyway. Our DLine, especially the ends, weren't getting it done, and the offense was a complete flop, wasting opportunity after opportunity.

 

[section907]

The bone head decision was made the week prior to the game. Once he came back to practice, way to early, and tore his knee completely the final decision was made easy. Once he finished tearing it completely, it made the Dr.'s and coaches decision pretty easy. No more damage could be done to his knee. Having him come back to early and test his knee in practice, proved to the Dr.'s, coaches and university officials that it was more serious then first diagnosed. The University swept it under the rug, as usual.. I give the kid credit for wanting to play hurt.. I am sure he trusted the Dr and coaches. Dabo was desperate not to lose number 6 and proved he would do "anything" to get the kid on the field.

 

[clempzenbill]

Yup was a huge risk. Doctors saying it wasn't and all the athletes that continue to compete on torn acl's is a giant conspiracy against the gamecocks.
Oh and Deshaun's knee? He's way ahead of schedule and will participate in summer workouts. Sure are a bunch of medical "experts" here Lulz...

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

Why is it when I see the name Deshaun, the first think comes to mind... Dachshund...

 

[CockofEarle]

During the recruiting cycle for Deshaun Watson it is a known fact he visited Auburn in the month of May during the 2015 class recruiting cycle. The unexpectedly and wuickly leaked to the media and initially Watson denied and tried to cover up making the visit before coming clean with the real story.....

Watson was denying the reports of his presence in Auburn, but in fact he had made a trip to the SEC campus Thursday afternoon with another assistant, which Miller says was done without his knowledge. According to Miller, one of his assistant coaches was attending a graduation in Prattville, Ala., and Watson mentioned to him that Auburn had been in contact and he had interest in visiting, so the coach dropped him off. Miller says Watson acknowledged the visit to him at 6:30 a.m. Tuesday morning.

“Deshaun told me he visited Auburn and that he did not know what he was thinking,” Miller said. “Deshaun felt sorry about it and said he got talked into it at a weak moment because he had never seen Auburn. He said he realized after he got there that he should not have made the visit. He said “I then started trying to figure out how I could cover it up.”

As a recruit Deshaun was caught in a big lie and recently this USA Today article came out with him taking the responsibility for the decision to play on a torn ACL. Is the media and college football fans supposed to believe that story also or is it another cover up for Dabo????

a form of paranoia runs deep on fgf

 

[Jmoney843]

This FGF site is great for receiving information about Clemson. Every other post seems to reference something about Clemson.

I know right, if you head over to TI there isn't a single thread about the GameCocks. Guess we are more excited to talk about actual recruits that we have coming on campus, and the possibility of them committing. All FGF does is complain about Clemson, I would worry more about your own team.

 

[OzWizard]

I understand a rival is going to find fault in their rival's coach, no matter what he does. But to think Dabo (or any coach for that matter) would put a teams interest above the personal heath of an individual is absurd. Watson was cleared to play by a medical professional and Watson himself said he was ready. No head coach can influence the decision of a medical professional, not even the great Dabo.

 

[bdblack]

Let's put this ridiculous thread out of its misery, shall we? Bottom line..............Watson beat us with a broken knee, gained 200 yds. passing by flipping the ball to a speedy receiver that our molasses defense couldn't catch, made an outstanding run near the goal line with aforementioned broken knee, and some of us are concerned about his rights as a patient?

 

[FreeSC]

I agree bd.
The guy is a great player.
Carolina has had some great players.
Just enjoy watching a great athlete do his thing, and congratulate him when he excels, even if it means he kicked your tail.

 

[1SGgamecock]

Hmmm.... Not sure what that means.
If you're implying that doctors released Watson against their better judgement, I don't think anyone in the world knows that but the doctors, do they? If a doctor were going to make a bone headed decision like that, would they really do it with millions of people watching? Would they not, at the very least, be concerned about their professional reputation? This was in front of millions of people.
I know of multiple football players, who have played on torn ACL, including Tajh Boyd when he was in high school.

it was no problem for the dr's, they knew no one from our defense would hit him.

 

[Bigger_Stronger_Faster]

it was no problem for the dr's, they knew no one from our defense would hit him.

They obviously knew they could run a high school jet sweep and our defensive coaches were too slow to react to and wouldn't make adjustments to stop it...for fear of a QB with a broke knee.

BTW for all that have concerns about USC fans questioning the call to let DW play, there was an extremely higher potential of him suffering more damage, damage that possibly could have left him never walking again without knee replacement surgery and definitely the possibility that he would never play again. Without the ACL the knee is severely destabilized, and all it would've taken was one hit from the right angle and it could have been tragic. To think otherwise is either out-right homerism or pure ignorance.

All of CU should be glad that our coaches didn't go after him...whether it was a decision based on strategy, sympathy, or doubt that he would perform as well as he did.

 

[Bigger_Stronger_Faster]

This FGF site is great for receiving information about Clemson. Every other post seems to reference something about Clemson.

"Morning DawgNation. Bacon and eggs on the griddle while watching the sun rise.
(FITB)...your dawg OK this morning?
Worked in the garden late last night. Beans, collards, squash and maters all doin good.
(FITB)...wer u at?
GT still sucks...so does Bama and the debil Tigers. Go Dawgs."

Yeah, I want to wake up and see 100 post like this every morning.

BTW, if you want USC news go to tiggernet.

 

[Bigger_Stronger_Faster]

Now truth rares it's ugly head.

Rare? Really???

And SportsTalk Radio? Really???

Ahahaha

 

[clempzenbill]

it was no problem for the dr's, they knew no one from our defense would hit him.

Now that's funny! Not taking yourself (or your team ) too seriously is key to enjoying yourself. Clemson's defense was even worse in 2011 so I can relate. Look seriously I wish Dabo had half the experience and savvy SOS has. Hopefully if your a Cock fan he will bow out gracefully and Tanner makes a good hire. Honestly I don't hope so because you've been a thorn in our side for years. Y'all have more money and alumnus and play in a superior conference but I can still hope

 

[mbsurfside]

Classy post Bill.

 

[IBleedUSC]

Yup was a huge risk. Doctors saying it wasn't and all the athletes that continue to compete on torn acl's is a giant conspiracy against the gamecocks.
Oh and Deshaun's knee? He's way ahead of schedule and will participate in summer workouts. Sure are a bunch of medical "experts" here Lulz...

A team doctor released him? *COUGH* WILLIE KORN *COUGH*

 

[Superior7]

Let's put this ridiculous thread out of its misery, shall we? Bottom line..............Watson beat us with a broken knee, gained 200 yds. passing by flipping the ball to a speedy receiver that our molasses defense couldn't catch, made an outstanding run near the goal line with aforementioned broken knee, and some of us are concerned about his rights as a patient?

Dude...the issue is not the game or the outcome of it. The issue is Watson has the potential to be the 1st pick in the NFL draft and Clemson and the team doctors risked his high draft status by playing the kid with on a torn ACL they caused in practice 10 days before our game. Incredibly stupid decision.

Before the 2013 season, the hottest topic in college football was Jadaveon Clowney sitting out his Junior year to prevent an injury that could endanger his NFL draft status. That story was covered extensively locally and nationally. Even knowing this, the coaches at Clemson took their only player with that type of draft potential, injured his knee in practice, then played him in a meaningless game. I still can't believe it but do know that parents with kids with NFL potential are questioning the lack of wisdom Clemson used managing Watson's injury.

 

[19B]

A team doctor released him? *COUGH* WILLIE KORN *COUGH*

There's some weird revisionist history that happens on message boards. Willie Korn? What about him? He took a hit from a GT linebacker in his first start (under Dabo) in 2008 as he was releasing a throw, and it hurt his shoulder. He was never the same passer after that. What was a doctor supposed to say? That he could never play again? "Sorry, Willie, your shoulder got hit and your throwing motion isn't as good as it used to be, so you will never be cleared to play football again." He didn't go back into a game next week and take another hit and injure it further--is that what you're implying?

DaQuan Bowers? A degenerative condition in his knee, and it wasn't something that corrective surgery could fix. Is a doctor supposed to tell him that he can't get on the field for his junior year? He did, and played his way to a second round pick and got paid in the league for a few years. There's really not a better scenario for him given his unfortunate condition. You guys come up with some interesting theories to support your narrative over here.

 

[Superior7]

There's some weird revisionist history that happens on message boards. Willie Korn? What about him? He took a hit from a GT linebacker in his first start (under Dabo) in 2008 as he was releasing a throw, and it hurt his shoulder. He was never the same passer after that. What was a doctor supposed to say? That he could never play again? "Sorry, Willie, your shoulder got hit and your throwing motion isn't as good as it used to be, so will never be cleared to play football again." He didn't go back into a game next week and take another hit and injure it further--is that what you're implying?

DaQuan Bowers? A degenerative condition in his knee, and it wasn't something that corrective surgery could fix. Is a doctor supposed to tell him that he can't get on the field for his junior year? He did, and played his way to a second round pick and got paid in the league for a few years. There's really not a better scenario for him given his unfortunate condition. You guys come up with some interesting theories to support your narrative over here.

Here's the spin and the lie about your doctor's decision....

Swinney recalling what doctors told him about Watson’s ACL after the Georgia Tech injury. He ended up tearing it a few days later in practice:
“I was presented with a scenario of, it’s OK for him to play but we don’t know how long
this thing is going to hold up,” Swinney said. “It may be two more years. We just didn’t know.”

According to this article, the Doctor's release was after the Georgia Tech game when Clemson reported to the media he sprained his LCL and needed rest. He tore his ACL in practice after Georgia Tech game preparing for a 1 win Georgia State team.

Can Dabo ever tell the truth? He even misleads and covers up in a USA Today article