Anyone watched “Paterno” on HBO yet?
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Umm, ok. But you said "to Penn State". I'm glad you set the record straight.
Yes, I agree. I thought the administration did an outstanding job in the aftermath. They basically laid down without a fight. It was absolutely the right move because it got the scandal behind them as soon as possible.
Penn State is essentially pass this scandal in the general public's eyes. The only potential further damage is from within the Penn State community itself. The admin took a lot of heat from the Joebot cultists who were ready to burn down the university, if necessary, to protect the legacy of Joe Pa. Hopefully with the success Franklin is having, the Paterno diehards will let it go and move on.
Several more decades will have to pass before a balanced and accurate assessment of this affair will be possible. Personal biases and the emotional component won't allow for a dispassionate finding anytime soon. There is more research and writing to be done. In that regard, it resembles the Kennedy assassination.
I was unaware, thank you. I guess the image of an older man having a boy in the shower should have been enough, at least for me. So basically PSU says, see we can even be associated with a child rape organization and not only get away with it, but thrive.
Paterno was told about Sandusky in 2002, the grand jury was assembled in 2009. Did the documentary explain what was going on in those 7 years ?
All that is fair counterpoint. I think most of us are not just upset by the original events, but also upset by some, probably a minority, of Penn State supporters still in denial about the heinous of the events. Here is an example:.
"More than 200 former Pennsylvania State University football players sent a letter to the board of trustees and President Eric Barron on Tuesday asking that the large bronze statue of their beloved coach, Joe Paterno, be returned to campus.
“We have been told during the last four-plus years that the board and administration are waiting for the appropriate time to repair the damage they created,” said Brian Masella, former tight end and punter for the Nittany Lions and a 1975 alumnus. “Now is the appropriate time. Enough is enough!”
The university removed the statue from outside Beaver Stadium in 2012 after former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky was convicted of child sexual abuse and a university-commissioned investigative report accused former leaders of Penn State, including Paterno, of covering up the abuse. Supporters of the Paterno family, including some trustees, have urged the university to honor Paterno, who died of lung cancer in 2012 and was never charged.
The lettermen, who span the decades that Paterno led the team, also are seeking an apology for Paterno’s wife, Sue, and the restoration of the Player’s Wall — plaques that surrounded the statue and honored former players. The statue remains in an undisclosed location.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...o-statue-back-up-former-PSU-players-urge.html
Actually, former players showing loyality doesn't bother me.
Think about it
His legacy is tarnished so is their's in a way given they played for him and tied self value to him, through the years.
How many people played for Joe PA in 46 years and what is the percent that 200 encompasses, would be interesting to know
Now if the school put the statue back, that would not be right
Think about it
His legacy is tarnished so is their's in a way given they played for him and tied self value to him, through the years.
How many people played for Joe PA in 46 years and what is the percent that 200 encompasses, would be interesting to know
Now if the school put the statue back, that would not be right
What he said...could you really call that an opinion... i think we never landed on the moon...is that also a opinion... makes about the same since as his "opinion"...
.......i respect opinions that have some shred of possible truth or evidence
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Not a he..., second time this has been pointed out to you. Nearly 18 years and nearly 18,000 likes later, it's pretty clear what my position is on this board(s).
Penn State is a state school. All its funds belong to the state. My understanding is the original payments were made from the university's state appropriation account. So the state required the funds be returned to the state.
The NCAA gave the death penalty to SMU for massive violations of NCAA rules, large direct payments to players clearly documented. Penn State did not violate any NCAA rules. It violated a lot of other things, criminal and penal codes, federal educational rules, etc. But not NCAA rules.
.. after 18 years you're still making a stupid statement without a shred of evidence
LOL...whenever you disagree with someone you always resort to name calling. It doesn't say much for your credibility.
you have no shred of evidence... you make an off the wall statement with no proof.. you should be called out about it.. just like the other poster did
No. The money is coming from Penn State.
https://www.nevadaappeal.com/sports/ncaa-slams-penn-state-fines-it-60-million/
Penn State said it will pay the fine in five annual installments of $12 million. The governor demanded assurances from Penn State that taxpayer money will not be used to pay the fine; Penn State said it will cover it with its athletics reserve fund and capital maintenance budget and, if necessary, borrow money.
Do you really think Pitt and Villanova fans would have been Ok with taxpayer money being used to pay PSU's fine?
All Penn State money is state of Pennsylvania money. It may not be money derived from taxes, but it is all state money.
Yeah..yeah....sure....the law is a good way to nail the small guy and a ready made excuse to exonerate the powerful. I tell you what if the NCAA does not have something in that big book of rules to punish a pedophile ring run by associates of a school using school facilities.....then they should just quit and we all should just recognize that the law is a worthless waste of time.
So let me ask you this....if this was someone that EVERYONE hated do you not think they would have found a way to pressure compliance? Of course they would have...there are a million ways to go after someone with the law/rules. You telling me they could not find a Winfrey Motel or someone getting a cupcake somewhere? Bullshit!
I represented one of the victims of Sandusky’s abuse and have reviewed the police interviews and statements of witnesses and taken a number of depositions. If you think Paterno did the right thing, you don’t really understand the story. He along with many other people were enablers of this abuse and were aware for long time that Sandusky had an unhealthy and inappropriate relationship with young men entrusted to his care. They chose to look the other way until they were forced to acknowledge it later in life. Joe was no hero here.
Based on the facts presented in the case, I have no reason to doubt that Paterno is culpable in the cover up of this crime, by ignoring the acts of a coach, however as one poster said "Paterno was also a pedophile"...that statement is irresponsible, with no proof whatsoever
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I could not possibly agree more, with all aspects of what you said. You don't call anyone a pedophile, or even insinuate that, unless you absolutely have the goods on that person.
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I watched the movie the other night. To sum it up the movie makes Paterno seem like a dottering old fool that can't wind his butt or scratch his watch, but when he's around the players he seems competent. Movie also makes out that everyone thinks Jay is a crappy coach, that I can believe to be accurate.
The NCAA does not have rules to punish people for violations of criminal laws. It just isn't their place to do that. It is the criminal justice system's place. The NCAA tried to punish Penn State for Sandusky's conduct and Penn State's complicity in it and Penn State tried to accept the NCAA punishments leveled, it was the courts and the state legislature of Pennsylvania that would not allow that to happen.
It's so a joke about "this how nothing do with football." Of course it did. It had everything to do with football. Why were the allegations covered up in the first place? In 1998, it might have hurt PSU's recruiting just a tad bit if the word got out that the defensive coordinator was accused of SEXUALLY MOLESTING A CHILD. In 2001, Sandusky was no longer DC, but the mere allegation of the former DC raping a child in the PSU football shower would have ended Paterno's career, especially when the 98 allegation would eventually surface in the aftermath.
As someone who followed this case closely, I could go on about how "Paterno was no hero." I suspect he double crossed the former DA, Ray Gricar. Sandusky was supposed to get help after he was mysteriously not prosecuted in 98, despite the investigating officer's recommendation to prosecute. That was the deal -- no charges, but get help. Paterno just blew it off. Sandusky carried on as before. My theory is Gricar learned of Sandusky further crimes in 2005 and split because he realized that he was going to be left holding the bag for dropping the charges in 98. Paterno used Gricar, Fran Ganter (a long time assistant), Curley, Schultz as buffers. Joe Pa would have made a great mafia don.
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