Big 12 - PAC 12 in discussions

[atl-cock]

Let me make sure I understand. You're talking about some great matchups in football? I think that, once you get past UPC and maybe FSU (one day), the ACC is and will be parochial at best compared to the B1G. I also think they will have their recruiting hurt by the neighboring SEC juggernaut. My feeling is that the ACC needs actual expansion that encompasses a couple of heavy hitters to remain relevant in football. The B1G is in good shape regardless. I'll admit I am operating on intuition here.

And I think that was the attitude of the ACC admin 30 years ago when they expanded to 9 members.

And while the ACC was started ostensibly because of football, it quickly became a basketball league (Maryland's overemphasis of athletics - especially football - in their latter SoCon and early ACC days, and their taking football down a few notches in the late 1950s). The SEC's passion has always been football from the get-go, even though it pleases me that the SEC has truly embraced baseball.

 

[atl-cock]

You have the wrong takeaway. It is not if the OOC G5 games are compelling, the takeaway is that we are not in the lofty position to be adverse to scheduling G5 opponents.
If that was the case the current AD would have stopped this practice years ago. Aside from Clemson, there are very few if any P5 OCC games that we have scheduled the last several years.

The non-Clemron P5 OOC games scheduled over the past several years have been vs UnCarolina or NCSU in Charlotte in odd-numbered years, i.e., years when we played Clemron in Cola.

I expect that to change to even-numbered years, since the SEC did not permit OOC football games in 2020, and we'll now host Clemron in even-numbered years.

 

[atl-cock]

What this ALSO might mean though is the permeant end of playing Clempson every year.

The ACC and B1G could make an agreement that each conference school is only allowed to play OOC against the other conference schools. This would be a major selling point for a bigger TV contract for both conferences.
That's a big What-If but it's possible if both conferences had an equal number of teams.

I think that Iowa, Clemron, Ga Tech, F$U, and Louisville would object to this.

In 2020, the ACC allowed each member's football teach to schedule one OOC game against an in-state rival. Apparently, the SEC didn't get that memo.

My guess is that if the B1G and the ACC come to such an OOC agreement, it would be that each member is allowed to play one OOC game against an in-state rival not in the "other" conference. All other OOC games have to be against an opponent from the "other" conference. A reminder that Iowa and Iowa State have played annually as well.

 

[Captain Weegie]

You have the wrong takeaway. It is not if the OOC G5 games are compelling, the takeaway is that we are not in the lofty position to be adverse to scheduling G5 opponents.
If that was the case the current AD would have stopped this practice years ago. Aside from Clemson, there are very few if any P5 OCC games that we have scheduled the last several years.

Sorry...I wasn't aware that I was not permitted to have an opinion. I think I'll have one anyway...

P5 vs G5 games are boring. Our schedule would be significantly improved if we didn't schedule games against G5 opponents.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Sorry...I wasn't aware that I was not permitted to have an opinion. I think I'll have one anyway...

P5 vs G5 games are boring. Our schedule would be significantly improved if we didn't schedule games against G5 opponents.

No one mentioned not having permissions for an opinion, I clearly stated the "wrong takeaway". i.e. mistaken, inaccurate, incorrect, or off target.

 

[Captain Weegie]

No one mentioned not having permissions for an opinion, I clearly stated the "wrong takeaway". i.e. mistaken, inaccurate, incorrect, or off target.

Very well. I'd say my "takeaway" is shared by the majority of the country if you simply consider TV ratings and live attendance. P5 vs G5 games barely register on the radar by either measure. No one cares because those match-ups are boring.

Speaking of mistaken, inaccurate, incorrect and off target...

 

[vehemon]

But what if you could only eat it hot or cold? Which you you prefer? Ain't no microwave you can apply to this situation.

That's the beauty of my cheesy (*snicker*) comparison.
Hot obviously but if that means if I don't finish the pie while it's hot... i have to throw it all away.
I would rather have it cold so I can finish the whole thing.

 

[rogue cock]

Very well. I'd say my "takeaway" is shared by the majority of the country if you simply consider TV ratings and live attendance. P5 vs G5 games barely register on the radar by either measure. No one cares because those match-ups are boring.

Speaking of mistaken, inaccurate, incorrect and off target...

Match-ups are anything but boring....they are just smaller schools with less name recognition. Many have a very local alumni base and do not draw much attention outside their region, but they are not boring. The old Furman v. Wofford games were fun and exciting as were the App State v. Furman games. One of the biggest state rivalries (if not the biggest) was the old "Bronze Derby" matchup between Newberry and Clinton. If you never got the chance to experience it, you missed something. There was a lot of excitement surrounding that game....and a lot of tailgating with all the pomp and circumstance of a South Carolina-Clemson game.

Larger schools with a large alumni base are always going to have more eyes watching them, but don't discount the competitiveness and excitement of smaller college ball.

 

[king ward]

That's the beauty of my cheesy (*snicker*) comparison.
Hot obviously but if that means if I don't finish the pie while it's hot... i have to throw it all away.
I would rather have it cold so I can finish the whole thing.

I would myself, unless it's molded.