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Braves trade Kimbrell and Upton to SD...

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Sending an SOS

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The rebuild is real now...

They also got Cameron Maybin, Carlos Quention, 2 other players and a draft pick in return...

This post was edited on 4/5 6:51 PM by Sending an SOS
 
Originally posted by Sending an SOS:
The rebuild is real now... They also got Cameron Maybin, Carlos Quention, 2 other players and a draft pick in return...

This post was edited on 4/5 6:51 PM by Sending an SOS
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Setting it up for the new park. Doubt Freddie gets to coach the team when it hits its prime.
 
The Braves are still paying for their poor trade decisions. At some point, you just have to accept your losses and move on. That's what they've done. It took Kimbrell to shed Upton. It's not going to be a pretty season, and it sucks knowing that before a game has even been played. But this is better than continuing to bandaid a sore that won't heal.

The Braves are rebuilding their farm system, and they should have plenty of money to play with moving forward. It should set them up for a good run in 2017 in their new ballpark.

But it still hurts...
 
I understand the principles of a rebuild, but it's been painful to watch. Heyward is the one I can't forgive or understand. Gold Glove outfielder just starting to hit his prime, local kid, character guy, you name it he's got it. Nothing but upside.

In fact he just hit a double and scored the 1st run of the MLB season.

Kimbrell hurts too but he wasn't going to be valuable for us this year. Not enough save opportunities.
 
Originally posted by LAST MANGO:
I understand the principles of a rebuild, but it's been painful to watch. Heyward is the one I can't forgive or understand. Gold Glove outfielder just starting to hit his prime, local kid, character guy, you name it he's got it. Nothing but upside.

In fact he just hit a double and scored the 1st run of the MLB season.

Kimbrell hurts too but he wasn't going to be valuable for us this year. Not enough save opportunities.
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Heyward is great defensively but he's not a great hitter. He can't hit a breaking pitch to save his life. Throw in how much he would've wanted to sign for his subpar offensive production and it's not worth the money. In the post steroid era, a high strike out and terrible contact hitter won't work.
 
Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:

Originally posted by LAST MANGO:
I understand the principles of a rebuild, but it's been painful to watch. Heyward is the one I can't forgive or understand. Gold Glove outfielder just starting to hit his prime, local kid, character guy, you name it he's got it. Nothing but upside.

In fact he just hit a double and scored the 1st run of the MLB season.

Kimbrell hurts too but he wasn't going to be valuable for us this year. Not enough save opportunities.
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Heyward is great defensively but he's not a great hitter. He can't hit a breaking pitch to save his life. Throw in how much he would've wanted to sign for his subpar offensive production and it's not worth the money. In the post steroid era, a high strike out and terrible contact hitter won't work.
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Here are Heyward's stats from last year: .271 average, 11 homers, 58 RBI, 98 strike outs. Not great, but not terrible. He has been relatively disappointing...as a prospect we thought he was going to be a Mike Trout type player...but I honestly think he has yet to hit his ceiling.

It's clearly a moot argument at this point, and statistically Nick Markakis is going to be a very slight upgrade at the plate, it just sucks to see guys like J-Hey go.

For what it's worth, Heyward is 3 for 3 tonight with 2 doubles, 1 run and 1 stolen base through 5 innings.
 
Originally posted by LAST MANGO:

Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:

Originally posted by LAST MANGO:
I understand the principles of a rebuild, but it's been painful to watch. Heyward is the one I can't forgive or understand. Gold Glove outfielder just starting to hit his prime, local kid, character guy, you name it he's got it. Nothing but upside.

In fact he just hit a double and scored the 1st run of the MLB season.

Kimbrell hurts too but he wasn't going to be valuable for us this year. Not enough save opportunities.
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Heyward is great defensively but he's not a great hitter. He can't hit a breaking pitch to save his life. Throw in how much he would've wanted to sign for his subpar offensive production and it's not worth the money. In the post steroid era, a high strike out and terrible contact hitter won't work.
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Here are Heyward's stats from last year: .271 average, 11 homers, 58 RBI, 98 strike outs. Not great, but not terrible. He has been relatively disappointing...as a prospect we thought he was going to be a Mike Trout type player...but I honestly think he has yet to hit his ceiling.

It's clearly a moot argument at this point, and statistically Nick Markakis is going to be a very slight upgrade at the plate, it just sucks to see guys like J-Hey go.

For what it's worth, Heyward is 3 for 3 tonight with 2 doubles, 1 run and 1 stolen base through 5 innings.
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.262 career avg and 129 strike out a year avg. Also, in his last 2 seasons he has a total of 25 homeruns. He's 6'6 and outfielder. If you're not hitting it out of the park and you're a high strike out risk, you're not worth the risk. Plus, the writing was on the wall that he was leaving Atl after his contract was up.
 
Heyward said that the Braves messed up his swing. Since he went 3 for 5 tonight...I am guessing that he may be right.
 
Can anyone explain why the Braves signed 31-year old declining Nick Markakis to a 4 year $44 million contract in the offseason? The only reason I can think of was to try and pull the wool over the fans' eyes so the obviousness of the rebuild wouldn't be so apparent. That signing is completely incompatible with the Braves rebuild.
 
All the sports talk babblers in Atlanta are sucking up all the bs the Braves are putting out. The farm system is dry and all the prospects these trades have pulled in are an automatic upgrade and they will be winners in 2017 when they move into their "swindle on the taxpayers" stadium. Most young prospects don't make the majors as big stars and these won't either. Right now their on the field product won't be much better than a triple a product. I'll just go see the Gwinnett Braves. Much easier anyway.
 
Kimbrell wasn't going to see much action in ATL this year anyway. Don't think the Braves will be leading many late.
 
They should have held on to Kimbrell until the end of the season when the contenders will do anything to get that closer. We would have gotten a better return. That's probably what they will end up doing with Freeman. Sucks to be a Braves fan right now. I think we received too little in some of these deals. It sure is nice to get rid of Upton though!
 
Originally posted by CoachT13:
They should have held on to Kimbrell until the end of the season when the contenders will do anything to get that closer. We would have gotten a better return. That's probably what they will end up doing with Freeman. Sucks to be a Braves fan right now. I think we received too little in some of these deals. It sure is nice to get rid of Upton though!
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No doubt, teams at or near the top will blow a couple in the late innings in mid-June, and that's when sellers can usually make a killing.
 
He sucked his entire Braves career. I've been a fan of the team since the 70s and seen a lot of bad baseball but BJ Upton was the worst I have seen. That's saying something. I feel for the Padres fans who now have to be subjected to his "at bats". That is, if the gets any.
 
Originally posted by CoachT13:
They should have held on to Kimbrell until the end of the season when the contenders will do anything to get that closer. We would have gotten a better return. That's probably what they will end up doing with Freeman. Sucks to be a Braves fan right now. I think we received too little in some of these deals. It sure is nice to get rid of Upton though!
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The option of getting rid of Upton Jr. and his terrible contract was so tempting that the Braves couldn't pass it up. Make no mistake, while the Braves got a nice prospect and a draft pick for Kimbrel, their motivation for this deal was to get rid of Melvin "B.J." Upton, Jr. The only way they could do that was by packaging him with Craig. It's a shame: a guy from the South who grew up a Braves fan and has had a historic first 5 years in the league (lowest ERA in MLB history for pitchers with at least 250 IP; aiming to be 1st pitcher ever to have 5-consecutive 40 save seasons) is traded away because of Upton, the worst signing in franchise history.
 
Originally posted by CoachT13:
They should have held on to Kimbrell until the end of the season when the contenders will do anything to get that closer. We would have gotten a better return. That's probably what they will end up doing with Freeman. Sucks to be a Braves fan right now. I think we received too little in some of these deals. It sure is nice to get rid of Upton though!
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The trade deadline for post season eligibility is in mid season unless you pass through waivers.
 
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