Lb, Db, and one other
Maybe you didnt see my edit at the bottom. I said it was about the offensive staff. You are right that the defensive staff had fewer special titles. But everyone except the RB coach on the offensive side did.
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Lb, Db, and one other
They may have but I think Beamer was the only one with AHCMaybe you didnt see my edit at the bottom. I said it was about the offensive staff. You are right that the defensive staff had fewer special titles. But everyone except the RB coach on the offensive side did.
They may have but I think Beamer was the only one with AHC
It could be that Beamer had a more involved role, hence the change in title. It could just be semantics, but Beamer did say he went to OU to specifically learn from Lincoln Riley his offensive philosophy.That site actually listed him as "Assistant Head Coach for Offense". The other similar title was "Associate Head Coach", and that was the outside receivers coach.
I am a little surprised, this is the first time I saw it listed as assistant head coach for offense, and not just assistant head coach.
They mixed it up this year though, and made the TE coach the associate head coach for offense.
Using what logic? And Asst HC? That counts for 0?I would put ST coordinator way below OC or DC, but that is a matter of opinion.
Using what logic? And Asst HC? That counts for 0?
OU isn't the only place Beamer was AHC.Using the prevalence and complexity of the offensive and defensive units vs special teams. I dont really think that is a radical position.
As for AHC position. (Which now apparently is assistant head coach for offense; AHCfO) I thought I covered that. On offense, OU gave every coach an additional title except the RB coach. I do think that cheapens the title, when "everyone" gets one. Even more so when Beamers replacement immediately gets a special title too.
Who really wanted to be here at Virginia Te-- South Carolina. Sorry. Slip of the ol' tongue there.Not much thought went into the hire either...well I guess the only thought was who can we get for cheap
Don't forget that garnet...I mean VT colored blazer he showed up in lolWho really wanted to be here at Virginia Te-- South Carolina. Sorry. Slip of the ol' tongue there.
OU isn't the only place Beamer was AHC.
And how does "complexity of the offensive and defensive units vs special teams" make one coach more prepared to be a HC than the other?
Are you really assuming an OC or DC is some kind of division leader within a staff? And that makes them more qualified to be a HC than other asst coaches?And are you really asking how running a more prevalent and complex division of a staff is better experience?
To your first question, yes. Those other asst coaches like RB, and TE coach report to the OC. Is there a position coach that reports to the STC?Are you really assuming an OC or DC is some kind of division leader within a staff? And that makes them more qualified to be a HC than other asst coaches?
And using staff salaries from a 2-8 team as a comp? Where's Muschamp now?
The problem he's got is he's in a no win situation. The recruiting has been so bad this program being an sec school is going to find it hard to compete for the foreseeable future. Actually this coming year will be hist best shot at getting 3-4 wins. After that the poor recruiting is going to whack this program in a big way the next couple seasons.
One thing is for sure, it will be a better offense than Muschamp ever had.Agreed.
But each new staff gets that bounce in recruiting (the first full year) due to new optimism. He needs to cash in on that big time this next year.
After that, imo, he needs to do something to bring identity to the team and recruit to that. As much as some may hate it, Clemson did that with a wide open offense in year three, I think it was. You can sell kids on throwing the ball around and scoring points, exciting brand, etc.
And I think that actually plays to current trend in college football too, of offenses overpowering defenses.
Agreed.
But each new staff gets that bounce in recruiting (the first full year) due to new optimism. He needs to cash in on that big time this next year.
After that, imo, he needs to do something to bring identity to the team and recruit to that. As much as some may hate it, Clemson did that with a wide open offense in year three, I think it was. You can sell kids on throwing the ball around and scoring points, exciting brand, etc.
And I think that actually plays to current trend in college football too, of offenses overpowering defenses.
Really? They "report"? What does that mean? And the OC & DC hire their asst coaches that "report" to them?To your first question, yes. Those other asst coaches like RB, and TE coach report to the OC.
Only if a portion of the best players leave and gut the program. At this point, only Kevin Harris stands out as a big loss after next season. Everything else is a big question mark.After that the poor recruiting is going to whack this program in a big way the next couple seasons.
I would say "grasping at straws" is pretending position coaches don't report to their immediate superior. Or pretending not to know what report means.Really? They "report"? What does that mean? And the OC & DC hire their asst coaches that "report" to them?
You're grasping at straws and we both know it.
Really? And you know for sure those position coaches "report" to OCs and DCs? Got any proof to back up this assertion?I would say "grasping at straws" is pretending position coaches don't report to their immediate superior. Or pretending not to know what report means.
Or ignoring the STC has zero position coaches report to them.
Or ignoring that beamer himself thinks so much of his AHC/STC that he pays him less than his WR coach.
I can wait to see all the disappointed gamecock fans when he turns this program around
How many titles referred to AHC for offense? Again, Beamer went there to learn from OU’s Riley specifically his offensive philosophy. That led directly to him being our HC.Using the prevalence and complexity of the offensive and defensive units vs special teams. I dont really think that is a radical position.
As for AHC position. (Which now apparently is assistant head coach for offense; AHCfO) I thought I covered that. On offense, OU gave every coach an additional title except the RB coach. I do think that cheapens the title, when "everyone" gets one. Even more so when Beamers replacement immediately gets a special title too.
Really? And you know for sure those position coaches "report" to OCs and DCs? Got any proof to back up this assertion?
Do OCs & DCs hire coaches? What makes OCs and DCs qualified as HCs?
But you don't answer those questions...because you can't.
How many titles referred to AHC for offense? Again, Beamer went there to learn from OU’s Riley specifically his offensive philosophy. That led directly to him being our HC.
Dude...you're FOS.Do you have proof that position coaches don't report to the coordinators?
But not the SAME title. Which was my point earlier that was completely ignored, and finally the ackno that he went there specifically to learn the offense from LR.We covered that already, a few posts ago.
"That site actually listed him as "Assistant Head Coach for Offense". The other similar title was "Associate Head Coach", and that was the outside receivers coach.
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They mixed it up this year though, and made the TE coach the associate head coach for offense."
The link I provided gives the titles over the years.
I do concede though, that Beamer says he went there to learn the offense.
Maybe Lembo agreed to that salary so Beamer could pay more for other positions. You nor I have no way of knowing, so why assume it has to do with less value? Lembo is considered one of the best in the country at STs.Do you have proof that position coaches don't report to the coordinators? We can go back and forth like that all day. But it's a lame diversion arguing over the word "report" like you dont know what it means already.
Head coaches are the final word in the hirings. (Except in those weird situations like Bobo this year) And I've already answered what makes OCs and DCs qualified in post # 252.
I also still find it interesting that Beamer appears to value his AHC/STC so much that he pays his WR coach more, and his coordinators twice as much.
But not the SAME title. Which was my point earlier that was completely ignored, and finally the ackno that he went there specifically to learn the offense from LR.
Maybe Lembo agreed to that salary so Beamer could pay more for other positions. You nor I have no way of knowing, so why assume it has to do with less value? Lembo is considered one of the best in the country at STs.
No one is claiming that Lembo should be paid equal to OC or DC. So his accepting less may have been to aid in paying other position coaches more. He makes more than the TE, RB, LB coaches.Isnt that odd though, one ofthe best in the business, and he makes less than a position coach? And half of what the offensive and defensive coordinators make?
I might agree to the argument that he accepted less (other coaches have) if the STC were paid equally to the OC and DC at other schools with regularity. His being paid less is actually the norm, not the exception.
No one is claiming that Lembo should be paid equal to OC or DC. So his accepting less may have been to aid in paying other position coaches more. He makes more than the TE, RB, LB coaches.
They are not even close to being the same. One of the biggest jobs of a ST coach is to make sure all the guys on each team get on the field asap when they are supposed to. On third down he is making sure the punting team is together and ready to go if needed. Nothing pisses off a HC more than having to waste a TO because some meathead is standing on the sidelines with his helmet off not paying attention and causing the team to use a TO. The ST coach does not call plays or design an offense or defense. All FG formations are the same. Most other ST formations are the same with only a couple of different variations. For example, what coaching does he do on the kick off team other than to remind everyone to sprint down field and stay in your lanes? He doesn't teach the kicker to kick longer or more accurate or teach the punter to punt further. It used to be the ST coach was somebody off the coaching staff that either volunteered to be the ST coach or was asked to by the HC. Only fairly recently has it become popular to hire a coach mainly for that role, but that is more due to the fact that it is such a pain in the a$$ for another coach to have to do while he is trying to coach his unit on the field.I agree that he may have accepted less. The comment about being equal to OC or DC just went back to conversation of if a STC is the same level as an OC or DC. Salaries was just one way to try and compare.
Yeah, I don’t think anyone is trying to claim they are equal I would say all the positions Beamer has coached plus ST is equal to an OC or DCI agree that he may have accepted less. The comment about being equal to OC or DC just went back to conversation of if a STC is the same level as an OC or DC. Salaries was just one way to try and compare.