Obviously we didn’t handle it the right way.
Dabo and the PED issue.
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It is in USA Today so hopefully this is about to flood the newspapers and let everyone know what cheaters and liars they are at the "All In Christian Program" called Clemson. Dabo is nothing more than a win at all costs, cheating and lying SOB and always has been.
Wonder how Kerb Hirbstreet feels about his twins getting big on PEDs?
Clemson's drug test would have identified the ingredient. It probably did and Clemson did nothing but cover up the known cheating. All outcomes of this are bad for Clemson.
The leaders of the investigation at Clemson are only serving their own self interest to save their jobs and prevent ruining their careers.
From what i have read the only legal way to get it is for testing in labs or whatever so it could have came from some chemistry majors or someone in that department just like that synthetic weed came from.
It’s been used in clinical trials (on people, yes), and is manufactured legally for that purpose. It’s not illegal, just unapproved by the FDA (who govern marketing and use lawsuits for enforcement). If SARMs ever get scheduled with anabolic steroids, then the DEA will have criminal enforcement authority. At this time, giving it to someone knowingly is more legal than when you share your Viagra with your friends. You can technically be prosecuted for that.
Nobody gets held accountable except Missouri, which made the mistake of cooperating.
You're driving me nuts with your lack of information! Theres a difference in being banned by the NCAA and being illegal. Its not freaking illegal in the USA.
Since it is not approved for human consumption in any country, it is illegal for it to be used in supplements....and you can not obtain it legally for such purposes. Including it in dietary supplements or providing it to individuals is considered the sale or distribution of an unapproved drug by the FDA and similar organizations in other countries.
https://www.usada.org/substance-profile-ostarine/
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Really? Ostarine is not approved for human use or consumption in the USA or in any other country and they are "NO" legal medications that contain it and is intended as a "RESEARCH CHEMICAL ONLY" so you are dead wrong. (WWW.USADA.ORG).
Just a minor correction here. Many of the ingredients in supplements (especially herbs) are not “approved for human consumption.” That’s not the jurisdiction of the FDA who provides that approval for food and drugs (not supplements, vitamins or cigarettes). Right now, it’s basically in the same category as thousands of chemicals in the Aldrich catalog that are not approved for human consumption, but that I can buy today, except that it might be approved someday as a prescription drug and then be formally regulated. Selling it might get you a letter from the FDA, or maybe a lawsuit, but DEA agents will not come to arrest you.
This, without a doubt, falls under the purview of the USFDA. FDA has enforcement provisions also....separate from the DEA.....including criminal prosecution under Section 301 of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I BELIEVE that only applies to products that the FDA regulates.
You are wrong...also applies to substances that are not approved for human consumption included in products that are intended for human consumption. Once encapsulized, the FDA considers Osterine and other SARMs intended for human consumption.
Only if the herbs are generally approved for human consumption....or, more commonly, are not prohibited for human consumption.
It can be purchased legally. Not one law enforcement agency will show up to arrest you.
I tell you what...post the law ANY law enforcement authority can arrest you under for possessing SARMs...go ahead.
Ok then you purchase some and tell me where you got it. But regardless of whether you can be arrested or not, it is not allowed in any sports in the world and that is what this whole issue was about to start with. The NCAA don't suspend a player for one full year for smoking weed and you can be arrested for that so it must be pretty serious.
Criminal prosecution - may be recommended in appropriate cases for violation of Section 301 of the Act.; Misdemeanor convictions, which do not require proof of intent to violate the Act, can result in fines and/or imprisonment up to one year. Felony convictions, which apply in the case of a second violation or intent to defraud or mislead, can result in fines and/or imprisonment up to three years.
The FDA field offices have primary responsibility for conducting inspections or investigations and collecting samples which may lead to recommendations for enforcement/regulatory action. The type of action recommended will depend upon the nature of the violation and the public health concern, Agency policy, previous history of violations by the firm, and other factors.
https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/ucm268127.htm
In the United States, ostarine and other SARMS can only be used for research and medical-testing purposes. Often the unscrupulous brands attempt to hide behind the suggestion that their products are only for research use, but that excuse is voided as soon as a product is capsulated and dosed for human consumption. Do not be fooled by this ruse; SARMS are illegal dietary supplement ingredients and their inclusion in a product would be considered sale of an unapproved drug by the FDA (U.S. Food & Drug Administration) and most of its global equivalents.
In 2014, the FDA warned a supplement company that one of their products contained ostarine and explained that as a substance being researched as a drug, it was not legal to sell.
https://www.bscg.org/ostarine-a-banned-substance-in-sport-and-illegal-dietary-supplement-ingredient/
Any other questions/concerns?
Now, head back over to Taternet or The Bad Apple and ask them how to respond.
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The FDA won’t arrest an individual for using SARMs, they also won’t arrest someone who is distributing a supplement that contains a SARM but isn’t labeled as having it. They will arrest the manufacturer who is producing the supplement spiked with a SARM.
Not to nitpick, but you didn't address his comment (who can arrest you for possession of a SARM), in any way, shape or form. You could have posted the 10 commandments and it would have the same relevance.
....or anyone who knowingly provides it, especially if the one who is receiving it does not know it is being provided to them.
They won't arrest anybody. They don't have that function, but can refer misdemeanor violations to a USA who might decide to act. If a supplement is determined to have something they don't like (but is in that hazy area that SARMs are currently in), they issue a letter. If there's no response to the letter, they can go to court and try to prove that the supplement falls under their jurisdiction and get a misdemeanor conviction.
Well...any number of policing organizations...FDA-OCI, FBI, local or state police....all have the authority to enforce federal law.
https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/CriminalInvestigations/ucm550316.htm
Any other questions?
Damn....no one on Taternet or The Bad Apple must be former federal prosecutors or federal law enforcement personnel.
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Most of your responses seem exceptionally petty. Why don't you focus on improving your own program rather than trying to disparage your rivals program?
Or have you given up on straight up competition and preferred to disparage their program to make yourselves feel less "owned"?
For years we felt like Louisville owned us, but we fans felt that focusing on our program instead of focusing on our rivals program was a healthier mentality.
Or is that a ship that has sailed and your rival is so entrenched in your heads that it is all that you can think about?
Or have you given up on straight up competition and preferred to disparage their program to make yourselves feel less "owned"?
For years we felt like Louisville owned us, but we fans felt that focusing on our program instead of focusing on our rivals program was a healthier mentality.
Or is that a ship that has sailed and your rival is so entrenched in your heads that it is all that you can think about?
In theory yes, but it wouldn’t be the FDA doing it. They are more concerned with companies, distributors, etc.. Actually the most likely legal action (if someone at Clemson knowingly gave players PED spike supplements without the players consent) would be for the suspended players to bring legal action against the school. Lawrence could argue that he lost millions from having his name tainted.
Thanks for clearing that up, it's about time somebody did but Clemson didn't do anything wrong, it's somebody else's fault and they are all innocent and knew nothing about it, yeah right.
To the FDA and most regulatory agencies, it simply comes down to the pervasiveness of the problem. If it is considered widespread, they will begin to act on it. If not, it would be little more than a warning letter (unless that is ignored). Since they do not have huge resources, they do tend to go after the bigger fish when they can make a case....much like the IRS does.
Lol. If being “petty” to you is pointing out that your program and coach give players life threatening drugs then I do not know what to tell you
If we “ should worry about our program “ as you say and not only cheat but put health of players at risk for a chance to “ win at all cost “ then you obviously have more issues than just pulling for a sports team
Yep. Same as the two players who hit women ( stayed on team )
The cocaine users ( stayed on team )
The guys who inappropriately grab other guys ( boys will be boys per Dabo)
It goes on and on.
Blame others. , excuses for things they do.
Blah blah
Yet they still try to defend ??
Sorry that's still an answer to the wrong question. His question was, "who will arrest you for possession of a SARM?" The correct answer is nobody.
This is just too funny. I'm literally laughing but at the same time hoping you're not involved in the legal profession.
