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Predicting which recruits will make an impact in their first season as Gamecocks fuels debate from fans and consternation among coaches.
For the six members of South Carolina's 2015 football recruiting class who are transfers from junior colleges, there is a matter of urgency: Play right away or maybe never play because they have fewer years of eligibility to make an impact.
The Gamecocks' half-dozen junior college prospects - the most in the Steve Spurrier era - are expected to be bigger, stronger and more experienced than their high-school counterparts.
It's a high-risk, high-reward route to take to help fill a class, recruiting analysts say.
"It's a sign that your roster needs an injection of new life immediately," said Mike Farrell, national recruiting director for Rivals. "It's when you need immediate help at defensive line or a particular position. Usually it's the big guys, usually defensive linemen and offensive linemen because they're harder to develop out of high school quickly."

All six of USC's junior college recruits play defense: four linemen, a linebacker and a safety. The Gamecocks need help right away for a unit that finished No. 92 in the country in total defense (the 432.7 yards allowed per game were the most under Spurrier).
More specifically, there's a need to improve a pass rush that struggled to affect the quarterback, was ranked No. 118 of 125 in the country with 14 sacks in 13 games and No. 121 overall in team tackles for loss (4.0 per game).
Signing more from junior college this cycle was out of necessity, recruiting coordinator Steve Spurrier Jr. said.
"We have an immediate need for players," Spurrier Jr. said, "and if you have an opportunity to go sign a Marquavius Lewis that is one of the best players in the country that can come in and play right away, that's a huge advantage for you."
Lewis, a 6-foot-3, 266-pound defensive end, signed with USC in December. He's the headliner of a JUCO group that also includes 2014 signee Dante Sawyer and 2013 signee Devante Covington.
Originally from Greenwood High, Lewis led Hutchinson (Kan.) Community College with 63 tackles in 12 games, including 20.5 tackles for loss and 11 sacks. The four-star prospect and nation's top JUCO defensive end had 21 quarterback hurries, was named a junior college All-American and Jayhawk Conference defensive player of the year.
There is something to prove after taking the JUCO route to the SEC, Lewis said.
"You want to play immediately because of the time you already spent at a junior college," he said. "As long as I can transition as well as possible, I think I can play with those guys."
Lewis is all but penciled in as a starter on the USC defensive line, but there are no guarantees anyone makes an impact in his first season.
According to Rivals' records, USC has signed 20 JUCO prospects under Spurrier. A review found that nine got significant playing time in their first season at USC. Six played sparingly over two seasons, and three didn't make it to school or left early.
Twin defenders Jasper and Casper Brinkley, signed out of Georgia Military College in 2006, each had an immediate impact on USC's defense. Jasper led the team in tackles in 2006 with 107 stops, while Casper had 26.5 tackles for loss and started all 25 games over a two-year period.
Offensive lineman Rokevious Watkins redshirted out of Georgia Military in 2009. He went on to start all 27 games in 2010 and 2011.
The expectation is that each member of this year's junior college class will arrive at USC ready to play.
"Typically he's got two years left and hopefully when he shows up he does play," Spurrier Jr. said. "Usually when you go the junior college route you're looking for a guy that can make an immediate impact. If you can get him here in January it helps a lot. They can get around the team, get through winter conditioning, go through spring football, go through the summer and really be ready to play. If a guy can't make it until that May, you need him and feel he could make an immediate impact when he gets here."

(article stolen from the State fish wrapper)
 
They might - or might not.

A lot of can't miss JUCOs over the years were big misses. (I won't name them here)

It's a big step up from JUCO to SEC - a BIG step up - and those guys don't have the time to sit and learn and wait their turn. They have to perform- and perform fast and that's hard.

The reason we needed JUCOS is because we had so many "misses" on the recruiting trail-either not getting guys we wanted- or getting guys we wanted- and they weren't good enough to matter in the SEC.
 
Originally posted by Rollerdude123:

They might - or might not.

A lot of can't miss JUCOs over the years were big misses. (I won't name them here)

It's a big step up from JUCO to SEC - a BIG step up - and those guys don't have the time to sit and learn and wait their turn. They have to perform- and perform fast and that's hard.

The reason we needed JUCOS is because we had so many "misses" on the recruiting trail-either not getting guys we wanted- or getting guys we wanted- and they weren't good enough to matter in the SEC.
Please do name these "can't miss" JUCO guys who were big misses. I can't think of too many we landed who were considered "can't miss" guys... I do remember a few good players we got and I recall most the best ones panning out to be pretty good for us.

To to say we need JUCOs just because of "misses" on the recruiting trail is an over simplification. First off- HALF the JUCO guys we are bringing in ( and the 1 prep schooler) were guys we recruited in previous classes who couldn't quite qualify and had to go get their grades up before coming here. That doesn't mean we "missed" the first time around. Like any other school, we are recruiting guys who are focused on athletics not school and those guys sometimes have academic issues that delay their ability to come straight to school. If we had Wideman and Sawyer last year on D (which we easily could have if they had done just a little better in HS ) this season might have been different... Because of factors we could not control they could not be here... We kept them in the fold, and we are bringing them in this season... So when four out of the seven JUCO/ prep schoolers we are signing are guys we recruited and had committed in previous classes, that doesn't smack of desperation as much as it just confirms our original commitment to these athletes and reinforces that we uphold our offers even when we have to sign and place.

I do not view signing JUCO guys as negatively as some do. Obviously, if half our class every year is comprised of JUCO guys it makes it hard to build depth for the long term, but one or two added at a position of need every year- which is in line with our average- is normal and SMART.
 
Originally posted by Gamecock Lifer:


Originally posted by Rollerdude123:

They might - or might not.

A lot of can't miss JUCOs over the years were big misses. (I won't name them here)

It's a big step up from JUCO to SEC - a BIG step up - and those guys don't have the time to sit and learn and wait their turn. They have to perform- and perform fast and that's hard.

The reason we needed JUCOS is because we had so many "misses" on the recruiting trail-either not getting guys we wanted- or getting guys we wanted- and they weren't good enough to matter in the SEC.
Please do name these "can't miss" JUCO guys who were big misses. I can't think of too many we landed who were considered "can't miss" guys... I do remember a few good players we got and I recall most the best ones panning out to be pretty good for us.

To to say we need JUCOs just because of "misses" on the recruiting trail is an over simplification. First off- HALF the JUCO guys we are bringing in ( and the 1 prep schooler) were guys we recruited in previous classes who couldn't quite qualify and had to go get their grades up before coming here. That doesn't mean we "missed" the first time around. Like any other school, we are recruiting guys who are focused on athletics not school and those guys sometimes have academic issues that delay their ability to come straight to school. If we had Wideman and Sawyer last year on D (which we easily could have if they had done just a little better in HS ) this season might have been different... Because of factors we could not control they could not be here... We kept them in the fold, and we are bringing them in this season... So when four out of the seven JUCO/ prep schoolers we are signing are guys we recruited and had committed in previous classes, that doesn't smack of desperation as much as it just confirms our original commitment to these athletes and reinforces that we uphold our offers even when we have to sign and place.

I do not view signing JUCO guys as negatively as some do. Obviously, if half our class every year is comprised of JUCO guys it makes it hard to build depth for the long term, but one or two added at a position of need every year- which is in line with our average- is normal and SMART.
Why do you attack everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint? It's getting old.
 
Please show us where anyone was attacked. All he did was ask the poster to support his opinion with facts. It speaks volumes to the maturity of some of you guys that asking a poster to support his posiion with facts is regarded as an attack. Gheez, grow up a little.
 
Originally posted by Gamecock Lifer:

First off- HALF the JUCO guys we are bringing in ( and the 1 prep schooler) were guys we recruited in previous classes who couldn't quite qualify and had to go get their grades up before coming here.
Agree on this. The article over simplified the situation. Yes, we did go and get some guys to fill in holes, but for the most part, the holes are being filled by the same guys we hoped would fill them last year...it's just a year later. "Going the JUCO route" isn't really what we did. We just stayed true to the ones who committed the first time.

Having said that, I'm still sore over Durant. I think he could've made a very good LB corp even better.

Lastly, for those who don't know, Toure Boyd jumped from #53 to #21 (and gained a 4th *) in the final JUCO rankings. Lewis is #3, Sawyer is #6 and Ulric Jones is #117. Hopefully, the rankings indicate they were solid at a college level, albeit JUCO. (Will clarify those rankings are from TOS. Jones was much higher on Rivals, while Sawyer was a few lower and Boyd isn't thought of as highly by Rivals Rankings)



This post was edited on 1/28 8:45 AM by G-C-Gamecock
 
Originally posted by searooster:
Please show us where anyone was attacked. All he did was ask the poster to support his opinion with facts. It speaks volumes to the maturity of some of you guys that asking a poster to support his posiion with facts is regarded as an attack. Gheez, grow up a little.
He attacks everyone who doesn't bow down to the coaches and it's getting tiring. The poster he was speaking to was trying to be respectful by not mentioning names. He would have been attacked for that had he done so, probably by Lifer. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't on this board lately. So don't act like Lifer actually wants to hear any facts, unless they happen to support his opinion.

The bolded part is laughable in regards to him as well. And you're not much different.
This post was edited on 1/28 10:33 AM by Cackdiesel
 
Originally posted by G-C-Gamecock:


Originally posted by Gamecock Lifer:


First off- HALF the JUCO guys we are bringing in ( and the 1 prep schooler) were guys we recruited in previous classes who couldn't quite qualify and had to go get their grades up before coming here.
Agree on this. The article over simplified the situation. Yes, we did go and get some guys to fill in holes, but for the most part, the holes are being filled by the same guys we hoped would fill them last year...it's just a year later. "Going the JUCO route" isn't really what we did. We just stayed true to the ones who committed the first time.

Having said that, I'm still sore over Durant. I think he could've made a very good LB corp even better.

Lastly, for those who don't know, Toure Boyd jumped from #53 to #21 (and gained a 4th *) in the final JUCO rankings. Lewis is #3, Sawyer is #6 and Ulric Jones is #117. Hopefully, the rankings indicate they were solid at a college level, albeit JUCO.


This post was edited on 1/28 10:25 AM by G-C-Gamecock
I'm with y'all. And I really like the fact we have examples of taking guys recruited for previous years. It shows if we tell a guy to go down and work on his grades or whatever, we haven't forgotten him. Could pay off in the future with other such recruits.
 
Originally posted by Gamecock Lifer:

Please do name these "can't miss" JUCO guys who were big misses. I can't think of too many we landed who were considered "can't miss" guys... I do remember a few good players we got and I recall most the best ones panning out to be pretty good for us.


No. I am not going to name names. I don't think that's fair to do. Any Gamecock fan over the age of 30-35 can rip off quite a few names without much effort.

I was talking about Juco guys- not prep school guys.


I do not view signing JUCO guys as negatively as some do. Obviously, if half our class every year is comprised of JUCO guys it makes it hard to build depth for the long term, but one or two added at a position of need every year- which is in line with our average- is normal and SMART.


and you have every right to have that opinion.

I disagree with that opinion.

This post was edited on 1/28 11:18 AM by Rollerdude123
 
Originally posted by Rollerdude123:

Originally posted by Gamecock Lifer:

Please do name these "can't miss" JUCO guys who were big misses. I can't think of too many we landed who were considered "can't miss" guys... I do remember a few good players we got and I recall most the best ones panning out to be pretty good for us.


No. I am not going to name names. I don't think that's fair to do. Any Gamecock fan over the age of 30-35 can rip off quite a few names without much effort.

I was talking about Juco guys- not prep school guys.


I do not view signing JUCO guys as negatively as some do. Obviously, if half our class every year is comprised of JUCO guys it makes it hard to build depth for the long term, but one or two added at a position of need every year- which is in line with our average- is normal and SMART.


and you have every right to have that opinion.

I disagree with that opinion.


This post was edited on 1/28 11:18 AM by Rollerdude123
There have been a few JUCOs that didn't pan out but there have also been a few who did. Jasper Brinkley and Deuce Staley come to mind. Honestly, there have been many more highly regarded high schoolers who didn't pan out than there were JUCO guys. You won't find many schools in the country who don't recruit a few JUCO players every year. It's one of the easiest ways to fill an instant impact need.
 
Originally posted by Cackdiesel:

Originally posted by searooster:
Please show us where anyone was attacked. All he did was ask the poster to support his opinion with facts. It speaks volumes to the maturity of some of you guys that asking a poster to support his posiion with facts is regarded as an attack. Gheez, grow up a little.
He attacks everyone who doesn't bow down to the coaches and it's getting tiring. The poster he was speaking to was trying to be respectful by not mentioning names. He would have been attacked for that had he done so, probably by Lifer. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't on this board lately. So don't act like Lifer actually wants to hear any facts, unless they happen to support his opinion.

The bolded part is laughable in regards to him as well. And you're not much different.

This post was edited on 1/28 10:33 AM by Cackdiesel
No, what he's doing is calling BS on anyone and everyone who shovels sh*t out of their mouths and who loosely veils their opinions as "fact". There's a whole lot of that going on here lately - people assuming this, that, and the other (Spurrier's favorite phrase) because things didn't go as planned this football/basketball season, folks claiming they know what X coach is doing in his/her free time, etc.. It's beyond ridiculous. So again, he asked for facts/names, support your stance, and many on here don't have a problem throwing former players and coaches under the bus, so what difference does it make now? If you can't handle it I suggest you try a more tame and moderated site.
 
Originally posted by Cackdiesel:
Originally posted by Gamecock Lifer:


Originally posted by Rollerdude123:

They might - or might not.

A lot of can't miss JUCOs over the years were big misses. (I won't name them here)

It's a big step up from JUCO to SEC - a BIG step up - and those guys don't have the time to sit and learn and wait their turn. They have to perform- and perform fast and that's hard.

The reason we needed JUCOS is because we had so many "misses" on the recruiting trail-either not getting guys we wanted- or getting guys we wanted- and they weren't good enough to matter in the SEC.
Please do name these "can't miss" JUCO guys who were big misses. I can't think of too many we landed who were considered "can't miss" guys... I do remember a few good players we got and I recall most the best ones panning out to be pretty good for us.

To to say we need JUCOs just because of "misses" on the recruiting trail is an over simplification. First off- HALF the JUCO guys we are bringing in ( and the 1 prep schooler) were guys we recruited in previous classes who couldn't quite qualify and had to go get their grades up before coming here. That doesn't mean we "missed" the first time around. Like any other school, we are recruiting guys who are focused on athletics not school and those guys sometimes have academic issues that delay their ability to come straight to school. If we had Wideman and Sawyer last year on D (which we easily could have if they had done just a little better in HS ) this season might have been different... Because of factors we could not control they could not be here... We kept them in the fold, and we are bringing them in this season... So when four out of the seven JUCO/ prep schoolers we are signing are guys we recruited and had committed in previous classes, that doesn't smack of desperation as much as it just confirms our original commitment to these athletes and reinforces that we uphold our offers even when we have to sign and place.

I do not view signing JUCO guys as negatively as some do. Obviously, if half our class every year is comprised of JUCO guys it makes it hard to build depth for the long term, but one or two added at a position of need every year- which is in line with our average- is normal and SMART.
Why do you attack everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint? It's getting old.
this is tame....hes trying to get better

This post was edited on 1/28 9:08 PM by usaguy40
 
Originally posted by RickyRooster:





Originally posted by Cackdiesel:




Originally posted by searooster:
Please show us where anyone was attacked. All he did was ask the poster to support his opinion with facts. It speaks volumes to the maturity of some of you guys that asking a poster to support his posiion with facts is regarded as an attack. Gheez, grow up a little.
He attacks everyone who doesn't bow down to the coaches and it's getting tiring. The poster he was speaking to was trying to be respectful by not mentioning names. He would have been attacked for that had he done so, probably by Lifer. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't on this board lately. So don't act like Lifer actually wants to hear any facts, unless they happen to support his opinion.

The bolded part is laughable in regards to him as well. And you're not much different.




This post was edited on 1/28 10:33 AM by Cackdiesel
No, what he's doing is calling BS on anyone and everyone who shovels sh*t out of their mouths and who loosely veils their opinions as "fact". There's a whole lot of that going on here lately - people assuming this, that, and the other (Spurrier's favorite phrase) because things didn't go as planned this football/basketball season, folks claiming they know what X coach is doing in his/her free time, etc.. It's beyond ridiculous. So again, he asked for facts/names, support your stance, and many on here don't have a problem throwing former players and coaches under the bus, so what difference does it make now? If you can't handle it I suggest you try a more tame and moderated site.
OK. Here are some facts:

2012 sack total - 43
2013 sack total - 25, Deke Adams' first year, with established players
2014 sack total - 14

Lifer supports this guy. This staff sucks and he supports them. His only argument is that they've won in the past and Spurrier is incapable of making mistakes. What's your excuse for this garbage? I realize this has nothing to do with jucos which is the point of this particular thread, but all he does is bash anyone who doesn't worship this staff. And I don't need a more tame site. I hold back the disdain I have for this disgrace of a staff as much as anyone here. Here is my tame opinion: this staff sucks and neither you or Lifer can handle the fact that we are getting left behind by every decent program that cares about winning football games.

And if I had the time or desire, I could give you a whole litany of facts about one of the worst defenses any of us has seen in our lifetimes. Look those stats up on a more moderate site, because they certainly won't be discussed on this message board. It might hurt the feelings of people like you and Lifer who can't "handle it".



And btw, if you had any reading comprehension skills whatsoever or if perhaps you even read the post he was referring to, you'd realize that what he said potentially applies to almost every team in the conference. Every team misses and it's not a big deal. He was giving an opinion on jucos. Facts aren't necessary at every turn.

This post was edited on 1/29 12:24 AM by Cackdiesel

This post was edited on 1/28 10:45 PM by Cackdiesel
 
sadly theres only one person that he supports

This post was edited on 1/29 12:27 AM by usaguy40
 
They might - or might not.

A lot of can't miss JUCOs over the years were big misses. (I won't name them here)

It's a big step up from JUCO to SEC - a BIG step up - and those guys don't have the time to sit and learn and wait their turn. They have to perform- and perform fast and that's hard.

The reason we needed JUCOS is because we had so many "misses" on the recruiting trail-either not getting guys we wanted- or getting guys we wanted- and they weren't good enough to matter in the SEC.
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I agree with Lifer....Rollerdude makes it sound like this list of un-named "big miss" juco's was simply because they were coming from jr colleges and didn't get to red shirt a year but look at some of the 4* & 5* recruts that did we have had and they didn't never pan out. I like the idea and the reputation of sticking with a player that gave you a commitmtnt out of HS and he has bettered himself in order to play for your university. I didn't, in my opinion, see what Liter said as an attack on Rollerdude however I did feel as if Lifer was the one that got attacked..just saying
 
Qua Gilchrist is one. Abu Lamin is one but with one year left. Maybe he gets better?

And there are certainly others although I can't think of them. And there have been some who have come in and done a good job. I just wish that the coaching staff would conduct a spring practice with every bit the intensity of a regular season. To find out just who wants to play football. They are trying to protect from injuries but it doesn't allow you to see who will really bust their a$$.. Find out who the football players are!
 
Originally posted by Cackdiesel:

Originally posted by RickyRooster:





Originally posted by Cackdiesel:




Originally posted by searooster:
Please show us where anyone was attacked. All he did was ask the poster to support his opinion with facts. It speaks volumes to the maturity of some of you guys that asking a poster to support his posiion with facts is regarded as an attack. Gheez, grow up a little.
He attacks everyone who doesn't bow down to the coaches and it's getting tiring. The poster he was speaking to was trying to be respectful by not mentioning names. He would have been attacked for that had he done so, probably by Lifer. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't on this board lately. So don't act like Lifer actually wants to hear any facts, unless they happen to support his opinion.

The bolded part is laughable in regards to him as well. And you're not much different.




This post was edited on 1/28 10:33 AM by Cackdiesel
No, what he's doing is calling BS on anyone and everyone who shovels sh*t out of their mouths and who loosely veils their opinions as "fact". There's a whole lot of that going on here lately - people assuming this, that, and the other (Spurrier's favorite phrase) because things didn't go as planned this football/basketball season, folks claiming they know what X coach is doing in his/her free time, etc.. It's beyond ridiculous. So again, he asked for facts/names, support your stance, and many on here don't have a problem throwing former players and coaches under the bus, so what difference does it make now? If you can't handle it I suggest you try a more tame and moderated site.
OK. Here are some facts:

2012 sack total - 43
2013 sack total - 25, Deke Adams' first year, with established players
2014 sack total - 14

Lifer supports this guy. This staff sucks and he supports them. His only argument is that they've won in the past and Spurrier is incapable of making mistakes. What's your excuse for this garbage? I realize this has nothing to do with jucos which is the point of this particular thread, but all he does is bash anyone who doesn't worship this staff. And I don't need a more tame site. I hold back the disdain I have for this disgrace of a staff as much as anyone here. Here is my tame opinion: this staff sucks and neither you or Lifer can handle the fact that we are getting left behind by every decent program that cares about winning football games.

And if I had the time or desire, I could give you a whole litany of facts about one of the worst defenses any of us has seen in our lifetimes. Look those stats up on a more moderate site, because they certainly won't be discussed on this message board. It might hurt the feelings of people like you and Lifer who can't "handle it".



And btw, if you had any reading comprehension skills whatsoever or if perhaps you even read the post he was referring to, you'd realize that what he said potentially applies to almost every team in the conference. Every team misses and it's not a big deal. He was giving an opinion on jucos. Facts aren't necessary at every turn.

This post was edited on 1/29 12:24 AM by Cackdiesel


This post was edited on 1/28 10:45 PM by Cackdiesel
I haven't seen anywhere on here where Lifer said he wants Deke Adams to stay around? Hell, if I were Spurrier I'd tell Adams to hit the road as well and I wouldn't be sad if he took Botkin with him. I don't worship this staff nor do I think Lifer does. I just think the constant bashing of the coaches has worn thin. Taking a more level headed approach is how I tend to look at things. Nothing is ever as bad or good as it seems. I too am disgusted with our defensive performance this past season, but after having one terrible year I'm not ready to just run everyone on the staff off. At this point I am trusting Spurrier to do the right thing, whatever that may be, and look forward to an improved defense next year with the addition of some these JUCOs. If there is no improvement after next season, then yes, I would want heads to roll.

Regarding these so-called "attacks".....don't see where anyone was attacking, just some offering a very strong opinion/disagreement about the OPs subject. So again, if you can't handle differing opinions, you should probably take your coin purse and head on over to CT where it's moderated so bad you'll never want to post there ever again.
 
Qua, C. Bailey, R.Jackson

There are quite a few going back over the years...



Originally posted by Judson1:\



Qua Gilchrist is one. Abu Lamin is one but with one year left. Maybe he gets better?

And there are certainly others although I can't think of them.
 
I think most of the JUCO's come in with something to prove and a year or two of toughening up. There is no adoring high school fanbase anymore and certainly not much of a college atmosphere to glorify them and pump up their ego. Just some hardnose coaching and JUCO facilities to use for S&C. I read once about two guys making the transition thought it was incredible, they got clean new socks for every game, new fitted equipment, jerseys & pants that weren't worn out, good shoes and cleats for all conditions, etc. So I think if they have the raw talent, they succeed and they appreciate the step up but also know how working hard for better outcomes pays off. I think the team is better off when they bring in some of these that become leaders like B52 and Ladi.
 
Originally posted by RickyRooster:




Originally posted by Cackdiesel:



Originally posted by RickyRooster:







Originally posted by Cackdiesel:






Originally posted by searooster:
Please show us where anyone was attacked. All he did was ask the poster to support his opinion with facts. It speaks volumes to the maturity of some of you guys that asking a poster to support his posiion with facts is regarded as an attack. Gheez, grow up a little.
He attacks everyone who doesn't bow down to the coaches and it's getting tiring. The poster he was speaking to was trying to be respectful by not mentioning names. He would have been attacked for that had he done so, probably by Lifer. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't on this board lately. So don't act like Lifer actually wants to hear any facts, unless they happen to support his opinion.

The bolded part is laughable in regards to him as well. And you're not much different.






This post was edited on 1/28 10:33 AM by Cackdiesel
No, what he's doing is calling BS on anyone and everyone who shovels sh*t out of their mouths and who loosely veils their opinions as "fact". There's a whole lot of that going on here lately - people assuming this, that, and the other (Spurrier's favorite phrase) because things didn't go as planned this football/basketball season, folks claiming they know what X coach is doing in his/her free time, etc.. It's beyond ridiculous. So again, he asked for facts/names, support your stance, and many on here don't have a problem throwing former players and coaches under the bus, so what difference does it make now? If you can't handle it I suggest you try a more tame and moderated site.
OK. Here are some facts:

2012 sack total - 43
2013 sack total - 25, Deke Adams' first year, with established players
2014 sack total - 14

Lifer supports this guy. This staff sucks and he supports them. His only argument is that they've won in the past and Spurrier is incapable of making mistakes. What's your excuse for this garbage? I realize this has nothing to do with jucos which is the point of this particular thread, but all he does is bash anyone who doesn't worship this staff. And I don't need a more tame site. I hold back the disdain I have for this disgrace of a staff as much as anyone here. Here is my tame opinion: this staff sucks and neither you or Lifer can handle the fact that we are getting left behind by every decent program that cares about winning football games.

And if I had the time or desire, I could give you a whole litany of facts about one of the worst defenses any of us has seen in our lifetimes. Look those stats up on a more moderate site, because they certainly won't be discussed on this message board. It might hurt the feelings of people like you and Lifer who can't "handle it".





And btw, if you had any reading comprehension skills whatsoever or if perhaps you even read the post he was referring to, you'd realize that what he said potentially applies to almost every team in the conference. Every team misses and it's not a big deal. He was giving an opinion on jucos. Facts aren't necessary at every turn.

This post was edited on 1/29 12:24 AM by Cackdiesel



This post was edited on 1/28 10:45 PM by Cackdiesel
I haven't seen anywhere on here where Lifer said he wants Deke Adams to stay around? Hell, if I were Spurrier I'd tell Adams to hit the road as well and I wouldn't be sad if he took Botkin with him. I don't worship this staff nor do I think Lifer does. I just think the constant bashing of the coaches has worn thin. Taking a more level headed approach is how I tend to look at things. Nothing is ever as bad or good as it seems. I too am disgusted with our defensive performance this past season, but after having one terrible year I'm not ready to just run everyone on the staff off. At this point I am trusting Spurrier to do the right thing, whatever that may be, and look forward to an improved defense next year with the addition of some these JUCOs. If there is no improvement after next season, then yes, I would want heads to roll.

Regarding these so-called "attacks".....don't see where anyone was attacking, just some offering a very strong opinion/disagreement about the OPs subject. So again, if you can't handle differing opinions, you should probably take your coin purse and head on over to CT where it's moderated so bad you'll never want to post there ever again.




very cute
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