Everyone says CH is a good recruiter...

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  1. cockymark

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    How is that the case when the players he recruits cant hit? this is the poorest hitting team I can remember at USC even mid week games!
     
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    Talent is not the issue.
     
  3. FORKCOCK

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    We are now in must win territory.
     
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    I disagree, who on this team can hit ?
     
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    Busher was a good hitter but he's no longer on the team
     
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    Chad is a good assistant coach and recruiter, but you need to do things to make the players better...

    He hasn't done that...

    I don't think Ray should fire Chad, but move him into another role in Administration position within the AD....

    Let Chad decide what's next move and bring in Landon Powell...

    http://www.nguathletics.com/baseball/coaches/
     
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  7. cockymark

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    Talent can overcome poor coaching....to say talent is not the issue is laughable! prime example how many wins could Alabama have had the last few years in football with anyone coaching? heck I could coach them to 11 wins!
     
  8. Jon Snow

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    No, you couldn't. The idea that someone who has never coached a particular sport, much less coached it successfully at a high level, could step right in a dominate is absurd, regardless of the talent you inherit.
    Unless you had a great coaching staff and took yourself completely out of the way, you would be an abject failure.
     
  9. lawcalcock

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    Either way these are the athletes that comprise Holbrook's top 5 recruiting classes every year..Part of a recruiters job is to evaluate whether a high schoolers' skill set translates to the college game...If a kid can't hit breaking balls in HS, he will likely struggle in college...If a batter can't catch up to a fastball in the 90s as a HS'er, it will be tough in the SEC...If your hitting coach can't help batters shorten their stroke and work half the plate, why is he on the staff...When you see batters swinging at off speed pitches that miss on both sides of the plate, it's a coaching issue..If you give a pitchers 6-8 inches on both sides of the plate, you have no chance
     
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    i am sure he knows that, he is speaking in jest to make a point...
     
  11. Jon Snow

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    Maybe his post was rhetorical hyperbole, maybe not. Mine was to make the point that perhaps great talent will overcome so-so coaching, but it will not overcome horrible coaching.
     
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    I have no doubt he gets the players he wants for the type of game he wants to play. He favors a timely hitting game as opposed to a manufacturing runs type game. Not good if you're not hitting. Everyone goes through slumps. During those times the coach is there to evaluate, diagnose and repair. If the players are staying in a slump, the coaches own that. None of these guys would be here if they couldn't hit. He brought them here, he needs to maintain them, get them in good working order or find a good mechanic that can.
     
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    If we hired that staff, just queue up the song "The Boys Are Back In Town" before every game.
     
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    Absolutely beautiful swing.
     
  16. Jon Snow

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    Why on earth would anyone want the guy who ruined the baseball program to have input on our next coaching staff?
     
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    You are absolutely right...Poor coaching can make great talent look very mediocre
     
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    From what i have seen the past 5 years is Tanner needs to clean house
     
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    They regress when they get here.
     
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    So jon did Clemson win the championship more on talent or coaching?
     
  21. Jon Snow

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    Seems obvious they had both. Their talent is ridiculous. As for coaching, there aren't many who think Dabo is a strong coach, including me. But he lets his coaches and coordinators handle things, and he has a very good coaching staff.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    screw the bleeping taters...Did Coach Staley win the National Championship on talent or coaching? Did Frank Martin reach the final four on talent or coaching
     
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    Maybe I didn't make myself clear...

    I don't think Ray should fire Chad, but move him into another role in Administration position within the AD....

    Let Chad decide what's his next move, either take the dministration position within the AD or quit.

    Have Ray bring in Landon Powell...

    http://www.nguathletics.com/baseball/coaches/
     
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    They said it would be terrible for football recruiting if Shawn Elliott left before signing day too lmao.
     
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    We don't know if RT thinks Landon is ready to assume the position. Would be an interesting move if he did. I would enjoy the ride especially if he brought his staff. We would have to remember all ballplayers don't necessarily convert to good coaches. How patient would we be?
     
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    Understood...now:confused: I thought you were suggesting for Chad to move to a baseball administration and then have Chad hire the next coach.
     
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    surely, there are proven coaches with padded resumes and yrs of experience that would jump at the opportunity to come here. Unless we wait till the program is destroyed that is
     
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    Lol...dont fire him, he might get his feelings hurt.
    Kick his ass to the curb, because you must win when running this program, then go find a coach and hand him the keys
     
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    NewI have no doubt he gets the players he wants for the type of game he wants to play. He favors a timely hitting game as opposed to a manufacturing runs type game. Not good if you're not hitting. Everyone goes through slumps. During those times the coach is there to evaluate, diagnose and repair. If the players are staying in a slump, the coaches own that. None of these guys would be here if they couldn't hit. He brought them here, he needs to maintain them, get them in good working order or find a good mechanic that can.

    I prefer the 3-run BOMB kinda game (like Earl Weaver and Ray Tanner). I would only recruit big, strapping mofos.
     
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    Chad just got two big time baseball commits today.
     
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    Well....I could be an ass and say "Yay!! Two more that won't be able to hit their weight in two years", but I won't.
     
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    Who did we get?
     
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    Chad Holbrook signs big time recruits each year...he has a roster full of big time recruits right now
     
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    Catcher Charlie Welch and the other guy hasn't come out yet and announced. But he's supposedly big time.
     
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    Thank you, lawcalcock! Lots of our kids were drafted by the pros out of high school on potential, mostly hitting for the position players. After 2, 3, or 4 years under the questionable tutelage of this staff, most of them actually get worse at hitting from my viewpoint.
     
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    It won't be after a couple of years with our pseudo-hitting coaches!
     
  38. world famous 3rd base hecklers

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    No, no, no, no.. Not that!
     
  39. Bigger_Stronger_Faster

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    Where do you see all these 90 mph pitchers in high school? You make it sound like they're everywhere and kids face them all season long. The fact is most kids, at least in SC, only face maybe 5-6 pitchers that top 90 per season. I'm sure there are cases where they may face more, and many have to face the same pitcher more than once. But you make it sound like it's a regular event for hs players, and it is not.
    Even in tournament ball they don't face 90 pitchers in every game. And most pitchers that can throw 90+ will only pitch 5-6 innings a tournament to avoid injury (tournament games are only 7 innings anyway).
    My point is scouts don't gauge high school betters off of their performance based on hitting against 90 mph pitchers. It helps tremendously if they do when they face one, they just don't face enough for that to be a huge factor.
     
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    Maybe you should brush up on scouting reports and recruiting rankings.
    Chad is a great recruiter, and thanks to Tanner and past teams he can pretty much land whoever he wants.
    Talent is not the problem.
     

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