How long will we have to endure this nonsense (and Tanner as well)?
In 10 years at USC, Frank is .440 in the SEC and .541 overall
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Editorial: Can USC finally make a smart decision about a losing coach?
USC President Bob Caslen apparently has decided to retain basketball coach Frank Martin after S.C. Sen. Darrell Jackson warned that the legislature wouldn't look kindly on paying him $6.5 million
As I posted in another thread; if Martin were the CEO of a company the Board of Directors would have terminated him by now. One year in the BLACK isn't good enough.
I hear you, and have been stating this for the last 3 years. And here is what you get back. "But, but, but, he took us to the FF, he just needs more time"
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Heck, I never wanted him hired in the first place after reading the KSU boards at the time. They had nothing good to say about him and attributed any success Frank had there to Underwood and another assistant coach who stayed. But Fogler's firm recommended him (as they did Horn).
But he is a great person & such an awesome example for the kids.
can we please all just look past the coaching & results thingy & try to see the true beauty of SC MBB……….
(sarcasm intended, Jeff & King would have known this so this footnote is for others benefit)
can we please all just look past the coaching & results thingy & try to see the true beauty of SC MBB……….
(sarcasm intended, Jeff & King would have known this so this footnote is for others benefit)
Disagree it's not Frank, it's what our program is and why many across the nation say it's the worst coaching job in college basketball. There are reasons going back the last 4-5 decades to why this program is where it's at today and these reasons just keep compounding.
From back in the day where we gave Carlin power over the athletic department, and he single handily forced the decline of Frank McGuires basketball program. Then Holderman was hired just to back Carlin and shortly after they run Frank McGuire out of town which we never overcame. Then as the years past we have the national embarrassment as no one was wanting this job and coach after coach telling us no after we fired Felton even with us going to the SEC then to even to our current relationships with former players is a disaster that continues to this day. But as these things continue to mount, we can't get out our own way. There are also other issues and embarrassments this program had that I didn't even touch on and I didn't even get into our failure with AAU basketball and its coaches. Alot has to change behind the scenes off the court, that are not coach and AD related or won't matter who coaches, the men's program as it will continue to stay like it has all these years...1-3 good seasons every 10 years.
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Hyman hired Horn and Frank. That has given us 1 tournament in 16 years and a whole lot of despair. Talk about burying the program.
Hyman also extended Dave Odom and said he had a "warchest of credibility"
So it's actually
1 tournament in 18 years thanks to Eric Hyman moves as AD. He also tried to make a change in baseball before Sorenson made a late trip to Atlanta to save an exodus to Texas A&M.
At least he stayed out of the way of the football program.
So it's actually
1 tournament in 18 years thanks to Eric Hyman moves as AD. He also tried to make a change in baseball before Sorenson made a late trip to Atlanta to save an exodus to Texas A&M.
At least he stayed out of the way of the football program.
I dare say I've known FFF was a basketball fraud longer than anyone here. One two week fluke, and we continue to be held hostage. Gregg Marshall should be prowling our sideline right now. FFF is a bigger thief than Muschamp ever was.
Marshall always get brought up, and he did lead Wichita State to a Final 4, but there were a ton of other coaches we could've hired in the last 14 years.
But Marshall "really wanted this job" before we hired Frank. I thought that was all that mattered?
Even Bobby Cremins, after agreeing to take the job, said “Whoa. What am I doing?” And went back to GT.
Then the Newton and Horn years after that.
your 100% right that was a major gut punch to gamecock basketball when Bobby did that to us for all the nation to see. But we have a lot of younger fans that need to do some research and fully understand how we got to this point.
Frank's only Begun;
To Whip up The Fun!
A Decade to Go!
Of Frank Martin's Show.
To Whip up The Fun!
A Decade to Go!
Of Frank Martin's Show.
I've never been more upset than when Bobby backed out on us after accepting the job. The optics of that decision killed us.
A lot of people say, you retire two years before you actually retire and I believe this is true about Frank. Frank has been doing this for 36 years and at some point doing the same thing for this long becomes boring.
It doesn't matter. Recruiting is the life blood of a program and kids don't care about our history of dysfunction. They play for a coach. Nobody wants to play for Frank Martin because he's Frank Martin. Giving too much power to Jim Carlen 45 years ago is irrelevant.
Agree with this post. Frank Martin is the problem! In state talent has left the state in droves while Martin has been coach. The local star players obviously do not want to play for him. I have been to many games with him as coach and have been shocked by his on court demeanor. Some will argue that there are successful coaches who display similar antics as does Frank. But his displays, IMO, are far more violent and demonstrative than needed. Besides, the one word that separates those coaches from Frank is "successful".
Memo to the USC President and BOT. Retire Ray, fire Frank
Fogler, the then-current national coach of the year, was a great bounce-back by McGee, though. Bobby blew himself up by doing what he did. Things never were the same at Ga. Tech after that, either.
I think it hurt Bobby too and he even resurfaced wanting another crack at our job during one of the openings as I recall. For once the folks in charge correctly decided that bridge was burned.
This is all true. We kept compounding the errors and mistakes in the 70s and 80s.
We've had some strong ADs in the past. Bob Marcum, Mike McGee and Eric Hyman. If we had replaced Hyman with an equally strong AD we might have been able to recover. Hiring Ray Tanner was a mistake and akin to King Dixon 2.0. Not quite as bad - but almost.
(Yes, I know Marcum had issues, but he was still a very strong AD.)
Yes. It was a sad saga. When I heard Bobby was coming here to coach, it brought tears of joy to my eyes. The only other time that has happened to me was when Spurrier was announced. It was the worst letdown I ever remember in terms of coaching.
I agree with all that. I was hoping Dick Bestwick would be such a person, but it turned out he didn't have the chest for this place.
I played golf with him at Wachesaw not long after he was hired with some local boosters. He was not well then.
It was obvious later that he already had something going on when he took the job - looking back at everything. This is no place for the encumbered or impaired.
I agree with this. But McGee might have even mishandled that as well. When Cremins expressed interest a second time around, a number of his former teammates thought McGee strung him along publicly when he knew Cremins was never going to be seriously considered.
This made an already frosty relationship with the university and former players even frostier.
If you think what was set in motion 45 years ago isn't the foundation of where this program is currently your sadly mistaken. Of course, recruiting is the life of any program, that's not rocket science, but once again there are reasons, we that are deeper rooted to why this program has never been able to recruit well. Once again, it's not a secret that this program is considered one of the worst jobs among the coaching ranks and hardest jobs to recruit to in the country.
I didn't realize it got that bad, at one point he had the highest winning percentage of any coach post McGuire, definitely that can't be true anymore.
In what world was Hyman a "strong" AD. He bothced every basketball move he had. He did NOTHING for football (McGee got Spurrier). Texas A&M couldn't wait to fire him because they knew he wasn't made for a big-time program. No one picked him up since.
I love the Beamer hire in football. Let Ray hire the next basketball coach, he couldn't do worse than Hyman did with his two hires.
Overall though, AD's are overrated. Coaches go to the best jobs and we're not considered a great job in either football or basketball. Clemson AD who hired Dabo lucked out. Then when Radakovich took over, he just stayed out of Dabo's way, much like Hyman stayed out of Spurrier's way.
You make a good point. But I believe you have to give greater weight to the original event than to the subsequent event. Without the first one, the second one doesn't happen. And bear in mind also that Cremins' cachet had faded during that intervening time.
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Oh, I agree. I was just pointing out that McGee could've handled it a little better, perception-wise. Part of me doesn't quite blame him for wanting a little payback though. Cremins's stunt definitely hurt us.
I don't think it was about retribution. Cremins was diminished professionally the second time around.
Eh, I don't know. My memory could be wrong, but it sure seemed like McGee was slow-playing it. Cremins's former teammates thought so. Again, it was the perception of the whole situation. The reality may have indeed been different though.
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