their current recruiting class members? Ole Saban's rarely wrong when he goes out on a limb to accuse another program of big time cheating. Just asking.
Is Saban right on A&M buying every one of . . .
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Of course he is right. But it is a non factor. Everything is legal these days. And A&M has as much money, maybe more, than any other school in the country. Saban understands the NIL but what A&M, or most any other school, does has little to do with name, image, or likeness, as was intended. That is where he is having a problem. But the dogs have been let loose. And without some limitations put on the process the college football world will be divided into two divisions. The schools with the richest supporters will rule, while the rest will just be fodder on the schedule.
Jimbo's response torching Saban:
"It's despicable that a reputable head coach can come out and say this when he doesn't get his way," Fisher said. "The narcissist in him doesn't allow those things to happen. It's ridiculous when he's not on top."
"Some people think they're God," Fisher said. "Go dig into how God did his deal. You may find out ... a lot of things you don't want to know. We build him up to be the czar of football. Go dig into his past, or anybody's that's ever coached with him. You can find out anything you want to find out, what he does and how he does it. It's despicable."
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...k-saban-nil-accusations-some-people-think-god
"It's despicable that a reputable head coach can come out and say this when he doesn't get his way," Fisher said. "The narcissist in him doesn't allow those things to happen. It's ridiculous when he's not on top."
"Some people think they're God," Fisher said. "Go dig into how God did his deal. You may find out ... a lot of things you don't want to know. We build him up to be the czar of football. Go dig into his past, or anybody's that's ever coached with him. You can find out anything you want to find out, what he does and how he does it. It's despicable."
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...k-saban-nil-accusations-some-people-think-god
The problem is: The only way to level the playing field is to have a free market. What we have had up until now is a socalist market.
Call it like is was: flow of capital was taken from the players and given to those who controlled the market. Socialism by any other name is still socalism.
Call it like is was: flow of capital was taken from the players and given to those who controlled the market. Socialism by any other name is still socalism.
Jimbo fired up his fanbase with those comments. But get beat by 3 td’s to Bama and they won’t care what he said to defend the program.
He didn't answer the accusation, yes or no, true or false, A&M bought players. Instead he attacked the man. We will see how the next meeting goes. Don't think this is the end of this "little" squabble.
It was in the article but it will be interesting:
"We never bought anybody," the Texas A&M coach said. "No rules are broken. Nothing was done wrong. It's a shame that you've got to sit here and defend 17-year-old kids and families and Texas A&M. Because we do things right. We're always going to do things right. We're always going to be here. We're doing a heck of a job."
Steve Spurrier on Jimbo Fisher: ‘Did (Nick) Saban say something that wasn’t true?’
Former Florida and South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier talks Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher saga.
I know of one 5-star high school recruit from Texas that cried because he had to go to A&M instead of coming to Texas. Texas had been his dream school his whole life. His Texas NIL deal would be like $80,000, but A&M had set up a $700,000 deal. He wasn't from a rich family and he just had to take the money. That is what Saban is talking about. That was likely all set up abiding by the new NIL rules, but it is still A&M buying a mercenary team, just like Saban indicates.
Did he really cry? We got evidence of tears coming down his face? Why didn't Texas just make a higher offer? The boy should be pissed that Texas only thought he was worth 80k when A&M thought he was worth 700k. Hahaha.
Texas and basically everyone else was significantly outbid by A&M in that class. That's how A&M got 5-stars from all over the country coming to an obscure town in Texas to play for a team that always finishes about 4th in their division. Texas couldn't up their NIL to 700K or it would throw off balance the NIL for every other top recruit we had who were getting under 100K. They would ask "why not me too". Texas just got outbid this week by Southern Cal on a WR (Jordan Addison) that we were offering north of $2 million and Southern Cal coughed up $3.5 million. I don't see how this is sustainable. That case is a little different since it is an All American in the portal, not a high schooler.
Then I assume that you are all for paying high school athletes? Or how about olympic athletes? College football player benefits are worth $25,000-$75,000 a year. That’s significantly more than most of these guys could ever dream of making without the college degree that they have the opportunity to get. I agree that coaches are unfairly paid, but that’s on the fans who are willing to shell out the bucks to hire them. This NIL has turned college football into a circus. You will certainly be left with the “haves and the have nots.” Even in the NFL you have salary caps to try and keep things fair. You don’t have anything to promote fairness any longer in NCAA Football.
Best description I ever heard about Saban was in this article I just read. They are like an NFL team who continually gets the first 25 draft picks.
Saban and Bama are the cheatingest cheaters that ever cheated a cheat. Now, you can “hide” all that BS under the NIL these days, but as my 8th grade math teacher would say, he got a lot of nerve. You can bet your a$$ Alabama hasn’t strayed from the T-Town Menswear days at all, and like this article read I found recently when I was thinking about how much they likely cheat, while he is likely the best college HC of all-time, he was pretty pedestrian (despite 2003) as a HC until Tuscaloosa. Now had he stayed at LSU, he might’ve done what he’s done at Bama, but that depends on what the NCAA would’ve let LSU get away with. All this to say, he’s probably not wrong about Jimbo, but Jimbo’s response ain’t wrong either. Anyone who thinks Bama is any different than the UCLA dynasty and Sam Gilbert, is either the most ardent Bama fan, or John Wooden.
Saban and Bama are the cheatingest cheaters that ever cheated a cheat. Now, you can “hide” all that BS under the NIL these days, but as my 8th grade math teacher would say, he got a lot of nerve. You can bet your a$$ Alabama hasn’t strayed from the T-Town Menswear days at all, and like this article read I found recently when I was thinking about how much they likely cheat, while he is likely the best college HC of all-time, he was pretty pedestrian (despite 2003) as a HC until Tuscaloosa. Now had he stayed at LSU, he might’ve done what he’s done at Bama, but that depends on what the NCAA would’ve let LSU get away with. All this to say, he’s probably not wrong about Jimbo, but Jimbo’s response ain’t wrong either. Anyone who thinks Bama is any different than the UCLA dynasty and Sam Gilbert, is either the most ardent Bama fan, or John Wooden.
Exactly. And like I know I’ve seen posters here say before, if only we were better at it, but we get into deep $&%# over cupcakes
That’s not the point. Rules need to be in place. Teams shouldn’t be able to buy players. That wasn’t the intent of NIL. What saban and other coaches are screaming about is pay for play through NIL. Which is a huge problem unless you want to see 5 schools when all the national championships for the foreseeable future.
I disagree with you $25,000-$75000 comment. That is doable without a high school diploma all day long.
That particular WR (Jordan Addison) is expected to only play one more year, then be off to the NFL as a high draft pick. So, yes, that $3.5 million is for a single season. He may technically have two years of eligibility, but barring injury, he is unlikely to return for a 2023 college season.
Imo, nothing shows on overall lack of hope around here and about 80 other D1 schools than seeing other teams bid millions for a single year of a player.
There will soon be an even bigger divide between the haves and have nots than there is now.
Will be interesting to see how big time Clemson keeps up when you know they’re location isn’t NIL gold.
Yeah, some teams (call it cheating if it's clemson) have had success that are going to drop off big time. Others will succeed because boosters can now just outright buy players out in the open.
My comment though was about the frustration. Is college football going to be interesting at all to watch when budget teams who try hard are just going to be smoked by bought teams.
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Good question - damn good question. I have a sinking feeling that NIL will sink the good ship so many of us have loved all our lives. Stay tuned.
I don’t think it will be as interesting. It’s already affected me as I know USC hasnt and will not be able to recruit like their opponents. So I go in already expecting to lose to those 3-4 teams every year. I suppose that will only get worse.
I don’t like Alabama as a school, but respect Saban as a coach. I like TA&M as a school with all their traditions, but do not respect Fisher at all. I hope Alabama gets a 3-4 TD lead in the 4th quarter and then just pours it on and runs the score up as much as possible on Jimbob.
Now we hear that schools are already in the process of constructing NIL
buildings. I don’t know what that entails - can only imagine. The football/athletic arms race has picked up speed and it will be more expensive than ever to recruit these teenagers.
buildings. I don’t know what that entails - can only imagine. The football/athletic arms race has picked up speed and it will be more expensive than ever to recruit these teenagers.
Bama, Clemson, and several others have been doing "pay to play" for years. You're living under a rock if you think otherwise. There's always been rules, it's just that those on the top never play by them. FSU, Tenn, etc... Where there's a long term winner, there's usually some cheating involved. Sure every year a few teams will be very good who did things the "legal" way.
This NIL deal just makes it so where the public can now just get a view of how life has been going on for years with college football. Life is pretty much about the money no matter how you slice. Pretty much every aspect of your life involves money. No different w football. Now it's time to pony up as a "collective" if we want to play w the big boys. It's simple as that.
This. This is not a matter of the cheating that's been going on just being brought above board now. If that was the case, the same teams would just keep rolling.
This is introducing a whole new level of pay for play.
Yep. Cat's out of the bag. Can't un-ring that bell or put that toothpaste back in the tube.
I think some stipulations can be put on it to make it a level playing field to the richest don’t always come out on top.
College football is kind of like the mini-pros in a way. Except only the studs get paid through that image and likeness. Not only a free ride through scholarship with all the perks. But to make $$$ on top of that. aTm probably first came up with the idea, everyone here gets paid a little…….they have the local companies, people and all with the funds to do that. As to attract more good players. I wish Carolina did it first, not that I think it’s how it should be. It’s just how the game is now.
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