Is This The End For Ohio State?
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If Penn State survived, Ohio State will survive.
Ohio State is a blue blood program. You need look no further than the slap on the wrist UNC received from the NCAA infractions committee for two decades of institutional academic fraud regarding primarily Black athletes. It’s discretionary bullshit at best.
That article is ludicrous. CJ Stroud is NOT transferring. It's gotta be sattire.
Perhaps you'd rather troll the attached board....since they nor any of the other Ohio State sites have made any mention of it....AND no press conferences have been announced. Bogus article perfect for a troll. And that site has a lot of viruses/malware on it....sent my protection into overdrive.
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They have lost credibility with the way that was handled. They got after us for some comparatively mild issue of athletes staying at a hotel.
The people who govern the NCAA aren't stupid but can't they see issues like these make some college circles wanting to move away from them. Bye bye cushy salaries.
They lost credibilty only with those who don't or intentially fail to understand the issue involved. The NCAA had zero authority over the UNC academic fraud....NONE.
Do you guys actually click the Roughing The Passer links, knowing they have a few paid dorks who constantly link their crappy articles here?
The NCAA is nothing more than the representatives of its member institutions....including us.
Not sure I believe that. I'm too cynical. Didn't they say something silly about Jerry baking cookies for the FB team? I think they were scared off by UNC's powerhouse MBB and the fact that UNC was gonna hire a busload of lawyers.
If the NCAA has no authority over the massive fraud of UNC how can they wag a finger about harmless cookie baking?
UNC's situation was a massive academic fraud involving the whole university....not just athletes. Anyone was able to enroll in those fake courses and get credit for them. Therefor it was not an additional benefit that wasn't available to all students. That takes the issue out of the NCAA purview and places it in the hands of university's accreditating organization. NCAA was powerless to do anything in that situation.
The situation you are trying to compare it to while comparitively minor simply isn't the same.
The ncaa made up an excuse saying since some non athletes athletes took the classes that it can’t be considered a violation for sports eligibility. That’s complete BS and them being selective on who they punish. It was like a 90% athlete filled course.
It was not a made up excuse. Some students failed to graduate when scheduled as a result of the disallowance of those classes. And SACS investigated and punished the University for improper supervision over those classes. Also the head of the department that offered the fake classes lost her job. Where did you get that the classes were 90% athletes? There are quite a few articles on the subject including those in the Chronicle of Higher Education which found it was a lot more widespread than that.
@rogue cock Feel a little better about UNC's escaping after reading his comments. Makes sense.
BUT it seems that the fact that if a "violation" applies to all students then that's a huge hole that schools can use.
BUT it seems that the fact that if a "violation" applies to all students then that's a huge hole that schools can use.
Agree. It is....but with actual courses, you can put the University's accreditation at risk. If a University loses that, it closes down. I thought UNC should have been punished worse than they were and if they weren't such a recognized academic institution, they probably would have been.
But go look at ND where a girlfriend was helping edit her boyfriend and friends papers and got in trouble for cheating by the school. Yet the ncaa deamed that a violation and vacated ND wins. They pick and choose when they want to get involved in academics.
I don't know the ND details, but it seems the one major difference is benefits for players, vs benefits for all students, players included.
It's a lame technicality, imho.
What were the complete facts in that case. UGA got in trouble quite a few years ago for offering classes to their athletes through the athetic department. That does come under the NCAA's authority as it is an improper benefit.
I get it but one is a student helping a friend or partner while the other is a university helping cheat. Just seems like the ncaa should focus on cheating universities not students.
Notre Dame Forced to Vacate Wins From National Runner-Up Season
Notre Dame’s appeal of the sanctions was denied by the NCAA.
Bottom of the article has the following and how the ncaa departed from rules to vacate ND wins.
“…The Committee simply failed to provide any rationale why it viewed the student-worker as an institutional representative in our case. This is more disturbing given that, in 2016, the member institutions of the NCAA amended the academic misconduct rules to make clear that students who serve in roles identical to that of the student in our case would not be considered institutional representatives. If the Committee members chose to depart both from precedent and the position adopted by the NCAA membership, it was incumbent on them to offer an explanation. They did not.”
Their authority would have to expand greatly to do that
Then Notre Dame should have sued them as UNC threatened to do. If the NCAA exceeded the scope of their authority, it would be considered an ultra vires act on their part.Notre Dame Forced to Vacate Wins From National Runner-Up Season
Notre Dame’s appeal of the sanctions was denied by the NCAA.www.si.com
Bottom of the article has the following and how the ncaa departed from rules to vacate ND wins.
“…The Committee simply failed to provide any rationale why it viewed the student-worker as an institutional representative in our case. This is more disturbing given that, in 2016, the member institutions of the NCAA amended the academic misconduct rules to make clear that students who serve in roles identical to that of the student in our case would not be considered institutional representatives. If the Committee members chose to depart both from precedent and the position adopted by the NCAA membership, it was incumbent on them to offer an explanation. They did not.”
As I’ve said, since their athletic department threw the university under the bus, and the university accepted that, I no longer have any respect for a degree from UNC. There’s just no telling if the degree were earned or if it included fake classes.
I also wonder about the “available to all students” argument. Does this mean that I could stand on the Horseshoe and when an athlete walks by I could shout “First student to touch my arm gets $1000!” I’ve then made it available to “all” students. No violation for benefits to athletes and the University is in the clear since I’m a private citizen.
I also wonder about the “available to all students” argument. Does this mean that I could stand on the Horseshoe and when an athlete walks by I could shout “First student to touch my arm gets $1000!” I’ve then made it available to “all” students. No violation for benefits to athletes and the University is in the clear since I’m a private citizen.
But the athletes at UNC could enroll in those classes and be in good academic standing while students at other schools could be flunking out taking real classes. It was an advantage for their athletes. Squeaky Watson could have easily graduated with those classes
True....but the member institutions would have to expand the NCAAs authority to cover that. But then you are saying that athletes can't take the same classes that are available to all other students.
But, my issue has always been that the NCAA may not have had authority but once the school admitted to the fake classes then the NCAA should have gained authority. The NCAA could then have discovered that athletes attending fake classes never really did attend any of such and thus the grades dont exist. if the class was fake then grade is fake and the athlete is not eligible to play….therefore the wins are naught and trophies are naught…strip it all.
A governing body can't confer authority on itself. That authority has to be assigned to it. Member schools would have to come together and agree to be overseen in a different area. Why they wouldn't do that is the question you ought to be asking.
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