It's not a new position. The former employee was terminated due to consistent poor customer service skills.
Two things;
I had an interview once where half way through... some guy came in crying asking questions to who would be my manager. Everyone in the room was extremely embarrassed. After the guy left... I asked... "Is that the person I would be replacing?" Surprisingly they were honest and said yes. I was courteous but noped out of that situation very fast.
That's why in my field it's extremely rare to hire someone full time. Unless you have a massive amount of references and/or know the candidate... Contract to hire is a safe bet. When I started working in capital markets in 2007, I was hired as a contractor and it was literally a pit of contractors fighting to be hired full time. Luckily I made it out of about 15 other contractors. I'm pretty sure it's because I was initially paid very low coming out of a bunch of state and federal gov jobs and I was out performing other contractors that were getting paid 3X more than I was.
I misread this first sentence. I guess they simply offered him the position along with the compensation.
Don’t go back to a current job. The company will hire someone else and replace you at their convenience, not yours.
I got laid off from a job about 20 years ago. I had a promising interview two days later. I nailed the interview and was sure I had the job. They called me next day and told me to start in a week when they had my work station set up. And then they told me what my starting pay was. It was less than the president and I agreed upon. But I was unemployed so I took it anyway. I got two good raises in the first year as they saw I was good at what I do. I ended up managing the department.
Yeah, i've been firm with this thought. If I've decided to leave... I'm going to leave regardless of what they try to counter with my current job.
When I got into capital markets, my first director was absolutely amazing. I was simply happy to be offered a full time job and it was much more than what I was getting paid from my previous state and federal jobs. I quickly accepted and he goes "No, you tell me no to this" and he pulled the paper back across the table. Then he scratched out the number and put on another 10k and slid it back over to me.
Starting out after college, I already had working experience with IT since I was 18. I applied for 40+ jobs and got denied all of them only getting an interview for maybe 10 of them. Quickly realized how bureaucratic gov positions could be because a lot of them I was extremely qualified for...
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I was told at the start of Covid that they did not want me working because it was too high risk. I was 67 yo. We also had a 68 yo and they told her the same thing. After 14 months, they send me a text saying that unless I can walk in and run the department by myself on day 1, I needed to retire. They sent the 68 yo the same text. There's probably no one in South Carolina that could do what they were asking. We both retired even though we both still wanted to work a day or two a week. And we could have helped. Screw MUSC.
I was lower management at my last job. Another of the department heads told me once "The higher the ladder you climb, the more people can see you a$$".
The job was actually thrust upon me. I wanted the paycheck of the manager, not the headache. I left it almost 8 years ago to take a work-from-home job that I've had since. I took a pay cut for this job. But after you factor out fuel, wear on a vehicle, lunch, stress of commuting, etc. it was really a raise. And I've been there for my family so many times that I couldn't have commuting to work.
Yup, the job i'm in now i purposely took a demotion to get away from the stress. Still lots of stress but now it's purely on what I personally can deliver. I don't think I'll ever try to manage a team again unless I have 100% control of who is in it.
The last .COM I worked for, they were trying to still be that trendy/hip company with all sorts of quirky HR and managers. I was part of their first attempt to do a true orientation and we basically learned about the company history for the first week. At the end of the week, they showed us this chart that was an upside down pyramid. They were trying to explain that at this company, your managers and senior people are there to help prop you up and support you to do your job. I started laughing and said 'From what I see there, the harder you work and more ownership you take, the more you are digging yourself in a hole'.
What is a manager? Someone who is responsible for the work done by others, over whom he has little control. You use the carrot, use the stick, give advice, beg them to do their best. And in the end you still hold the bag.
That's all I could think about while I was herding cats.
Preach!!
I prefer candidates who let their performance do the talking when it comes to asking for first year pay increases. It's a huge gamble (speaking from experience, having participated in many IT candidate interviews) to push for a bigger salary before accepting an offer that has been extended. Chances are good another candidate already lost out after being up front in wanting more than the advertised compensation.
If they made a decision based on $ alone then you should probably be glad you asked and keep looking. To me, that says they're possibly looking at you or whatever you do as a commodity and you're all the same.
I see this is an old thread, but after reading this comment I have to say this makes the most sense I saw out of all replies. Didn't even think about it being a reneg at first
