Jon Hoke

[ReadR00ster]

Do you all really he will be hired by USC despite the fact that Spurrier said no one is going to be fired? Wouldn't Hoke want to bring in his own people? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Maybe he is just bring in Hoke to teach Whammy how to coach. Maybe that is what his job will be: "Coach of Defensive Coordinators." The way Spurrier is acting making it seem like Hoke is on the way but it doesn't make much sense to me.

This post was edited on 1/26 2:18 PM by ReadR00ster

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

I believe Spurrier said he could be adding one or two more coaches....

 

[Cock-a-Doo]

I don't see how you can get a guy from the NFL sold on the "come be our DC but you must retain the current coaches on staff" idea, why would anyone go for that?!?!

So I don't really know what to expect, if anything really

 

[bowiestar2003]

If anything, Hoke may be like Ellis Johnson. He'll be the assistant head coach of the defense, and coach the defense, and Ward will continue to call the plays. I don't doubt Ward's play calling ability, it's more the lack of talent, but I do agree that we need someone from the NFL, who can guide and coach these young men and get them ready for the NFL, obviously because the coach will know what it takes, as he has been working with rookies for a while.

If I had to predict, we'll get an addition to the defensive side, and possibly an assistant to SOS with play calling. Kind of like offensive coordinator. Maybe SOS knows he made some bone headed decisions (abandoning the run when it worked for you most of the game), throwing fades on 3 down territory, etc. That's just MHO really.

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

Originally posted by Cock-a-Doo:
I don't see how you can get a guy from the NFL sold on the "come be our DC but you must retain the current coaches on staff" idea, why would anyone go for that?!?!

So I don't really know what to expect, if anything really

Any coach coming to Carolina would like to have the inside track of being the next head coach here, knowing that Spurrier will be around 4 or 5 years...

 

[mbsurfside]

I know he said 4-5 years but do any of us really think it will be that long?? I am thinking the original statement is more accurate. 1-2 yrs. I thought we would have more than one replacement but now it doesnt look like there will be any. I think the D performance went beyond just talent. That is just my opinion. When we changed our DL coach, the line with Clowney and Quarles underachieved and we saw how last year turned out. Hope this year we turn it around but to me it was more than just lack of talent.

 

[nikolas22]

If he is not firing anyone...I can't understand why he isn't announcing his additions. Seems like that would help recruiting...unless the new coaches are at other schools...and have promised to stay through the recruiting time.

 

[CaliCock]

Originally posted by bowiestar2003:
If anything, Hoke may be like Ellis Johnson. He'll be the assistant head coach of the defense, and coach the defense, and Ward will continue to call the plays. I don't doubt Ward's play calling ability, it's more the lack of talent...

uh, I sure as heck do. If he can't call a play to stop a Kentucky 3rd string QB from gashing us out of the wildcat 20 times in a row, or Clemson from running jet sweeps over and over when he knew their QB was playing on a bum leg, then I very much doubt his play calling ability.

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

mbsurfside, Spurrier's last year at Carolina will be when he wins the SEC Championship in Atlanta.

Just saying....

 

[ReadR00ster]

I don't call into question anything about Ward. I flat out denounce his ability as a DC because he conclusively proven last year that he doesn't have an ability to build or run a defense. We've been recruiting top twenty classes, so lack of talent is not an excuse to ever have a terrible defense. We aren't Wofford, there is no reason why Wofford should have a better defense than we do but we were so bad I would have taken their defense over ours.

That is going off on a tangent though. I am trying to figure out if most think Hoke is coming here or not.
This post was edited on 1/26 5:12 PM by ReadR00ster

 

[DarkCock]

Originally posted by Cock-a-Doo:
I don't see how you can get a guy from the NFL sold on the "come be our DC but you must retain the current coaches on staff" idea, why would anyone go for that?!?!

So I don't really know what to expect, if anything really

Hoke is not "a guy from the NFL." He's unemployed.

 

[BeachBird]

here is the only prediction that will prove out. Whatever he does, people will be here to moan about it. The guy didn't just fall off the turnip wagon. He knows what he is doing.

 

[G-C-Gamecock]

Originally posted by BeachBird:
here is the only prediction that will prove out. Whatever he does, people will be here to moan about it. The guy didn't just fall off the turnip wagon. He knows what he is doing.

I can't, for the life of me, figure out why people moan about other posters moaning by making themselves part of a thread they claim is full of moaning. Seems the rational thing to do would be avoid the threads were the above mentioned moaning is taking place...but that may be too simple and reasonable a solution. Another perfectly good conversational thread gets hijacked by the "don't discuss anything" crowd.
This post was edited on 1/26 6:15 PM by G-C-Gamecock

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by BeachBird:
here is the only prediction that will prove out. Whatever he does, people will be here to moan about it. The guy didn't just fall off the turnip wagon. He knows what he is doing.

That defense sure did not look like the defense that had a coach that knew what he is doing. Listen, I know Spurrier is a great coach, but the dude mistakes. He has brain farts all the time. Besides being a great coach he is also a stubborn old man and his stubborness has bitten him the butt before and it will bite him in the butt again if thinks things will be okay if we just roll with Ward leading this defense again.

This post was edited on 1/26 6:15 PM by ReadR00ster

 

[tngamecock#]

Originally posted by BeachBird:
here is the only prediction that will prove out. Whatever he does, people will be here to moan about it. The guy didn't just fall off the turnip wagon. He knows what he is doing.

Now here's something you don't see every day........a post that actually makes sense. Thanks Bird for saying what I was thinking. Maybe we can get some of our posters to work at HR at the University so they can help Spurrier work out his coaching "situation"

 

[stagedoor71]

I'm sure of couse that everyone knows Jon Hoke has a brother?

Technically he is unemployed but he probably has his choice of several jobs.

 

[GarnetBlood80]

Ward didn't do a thing last year to show that he knows how to prepare & call a defense.

 

[tom927]

Bring Jon Hoke in as the head coach of defense and use the current staffs on hand and hopes it works out. If not, hire his own staff that best fit him.

 

[Cackdiesel]

Originally posted by tngamecock#:

Originally posted by BeachBird:
here is the only prediction that will prove out. Whatever he does, people will be here to moan about it. The guy didn't just fall off the turnip wagon. He knows what he is doing.

Now here's something you don't see every day........a post that actually makes sense. Thanks Bird for saying what I was thinking. Maybe we can get some of our posters to work at HR at the University so they can help Spurrier work out his coaching "situation"

I have a desk job in finance. If Spurrier thinks that Deke Adams is the answer at his current position, then I know more about the defensive line than Spurrier does. He is wrong if that's what he thinks, and I don't care if he is a hall of fame coach. Maybe there aren't any quality replacements left at this time or maybe we are trying and can't find one, but Adams is not a good defensive line coach.
This post was edited on 1/26 5:42 PM by Cackdiesel

 

[skinner63]

If you knew just a portion of what Spurrier knows, you would not be behind a desk, you would be CEO of a large company!. How quick you forget the 0-21 record we had, or the three (3) straight years of 11 win seasons. How about the 5 straight wins against Clemson? One down year and Spurrier and all of our asst. coaches forgot how to coach. Some of these post this year have many shaking their heads, including me. Coach K just won his 1000th game at Duke, but when was the last time he won the National Championship? He also has had some down years, but I don't read where they want to fire him. Somehow so of you think all we have to do is go out and hire someone better than what we have.....you must not have been around when we tried that before and everyone turned us down. We got Lou out of retirement and we were lucky enough to hire Steve Spurrier. If your company does not perform as well as it did last year would you be willing for the stockholders to fire you and the rest of the workers, if you had a record setting 6 out of 7 years before this year?

 

[cocky lady]

"Cali", Jr. was calling the plays for the Clemson game! THAT was a problem to me in the first place! We ALL knew the defense was anemic but on offense we kept Shaq Roland in the game and forgot Pharoah was out there. Mindboggling!!
This post was edited on 1/27 7:26 AM by cocky lady

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

Originally posted by cocky lady:

"Cali", Jr. was calling the plays for the Clemson game! THAT was a problem to me in the first place!

Did SOS Jr. call for half hearted blocking??


Plays would have worked if some players on the line didn't quit or give half hearted blocking...

 

[Clevercock3]

Originally posted by cocky lady:

"Cali", Jr. was calling the plays for the Clemson game! THAT was a problem to me in the first place! We ALL knew the defense was anemic but on offense we kept Shaq Roland in the game and forgot Pharoah was out there. Mindboggling!!
This post was edited on 1/27 7:26 AM by cocky lady

Jr has been calling the plays the last 3 or 4 years or more. I have no problem with it! Not sure why so many people seem to have a hang up with Jr. I guess its because he is SOS jr.....

You don't seem to have a problem with him calling plays when we win....its just when you lose a game that it matters?

 

[jerryusc]

I jumped on that fast moving WM train and rode it to Disappointville. I ain't gettin on this one.

After Ellis left so did our defense with Ward in charge but hey-help is on the way.

 

[Cackdiesel]

Originally posted by skinner63:

If you knew just a portion of what Spurrier knows, you would not be behind a desk, you would be CEO of a large company!. How quick you forget the 0-21 record we had, or the three (3) straight years of 11 win seasons. How about the 5 straight wins against Clemson? One down year and Spurrier and all of our asst. coaches forgot how to coach. Some of these post this year have many shaking their heads, including me. Coach K just won his 1000th game at Duke, but when was the last time he won the National Championship? He also has had some down years, but I don't read where they want to fire him. Somehow so of you think all we have to do is go out and hire someone better than what we have.....you must not have been around when we tried that before and everyone turned us down. We got Lou out of retirement and we were lucky enough to hire Steve Spurrier. If your company does not perform as well as it did last year would you be willing for the stockholders to fire you and the rest of the workers, if you had a record setting 6 out of 7 years before this year?

2012 - 43 sacks
2013 - 25 sacks - Deke's first year, with proven playmakers
2014 - 14 sacks

 

[anon_n4c0cp5zhdxn7]

Just becauseca coach is still on the team doesn't mean he will have the same responsibilities. If I recall, SOS has mentioned that.
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[Cock-Vader]

Re: I'm sure of couse that everyone knows Jon Hoke has a brother?

Originally posted by stagedoor71:
Technically he is unemployed but he probably has his choice of several jobs.

That's overstating it a bit... at least half of the defensive openings in the NFL have been filled, especially DCs and I haven't even seen his name mentioned.

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

Originally posted by Cackdiesel:

Originally posted by skinner63:

If you knew just a portion of what Spurrier knows, you would not be behind a desk, you would be CEO of a large company!. How quick you forget the 0-21 record we had, or the three (3) straight years of 11 win seasons. How about the 5 straight wins against Clemson? One down year and Spurrier and all of our asst. coaches forgot how to coach. Some of these post this year have many shaking their heads, including me. Coach K just won his 1000th game at Duke, but when was the last time he won the National Championship? He also has had some down years, but I don't read where they want to fire him. Somehow so of you think all we have to do is go out and hire someone better than what we have.....you must not have been around when we tried that before and everyone turned us down. We got Lou out of retirement and we were lucky enough to hire Steve Spurrier. If your company does not perform as well as it did last year would you be willing for the stockholders to fire you and the rest of the workers, if you had a record setting 6 out of 7 years before this year?

2012 - 43 sacks
2013 - 25 sacks - Deke's first year, with proven playmakers
2014 - 14 sacks

You forgot one stat.. 0-1 when coaches are fighting with each other on the sideline...

 

[ChairForceCock]

Originally posted by CaliCock:

Originally posted by bowiestar2003:
If anything, Hoke may be like Ellis Johnson. He'll be the assistant head coach of the defense, and coach the defense, and Ward will continue to call the plays. I don't doubt Ward's play calling ability, it's more the lack of talent...

uh, I sure as heck do. If he can't call a play to stop a Kentucky 3rd string QB from gashing us out of the wildcat 20 times in a row, or Clemson from running jet sweeps over and over when he knew their QB was playing on a bum leg, then I very much doubt his play calling ability.

Cali, at least he figured out the wildcat.

"Our plan for the Wildcat would have worked if we had seen what the simple breakdown was," Ward said. "We tried to fix it on the sidelines by doing something else. That's not what we need to do."

Ward says sitting in the box has one key benefit.

"I can see what's going on," Ward said. "I can see who wasn't in their gap or which guy didn't run the stunt correctly. We'll make that change."

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by skinner63:

If you knew just a portion of what Spurrier knows, you would not be behind a desk, you would be CEO of a large company!. How quick you forget the 0-21 record we had, or the three (3) straight years of 11 win seasons. How about the 5 straight wins against Clemson? One down year and Spurrier and all of our asst. coaches forgot how to coach. Some of these post this year have many shaking their heads, including me. Coach K just won his 1000th game at Duke, but when was the last time he won the National Championship? He also has had some down years, but I don't read where they want to fire him. Somehow so of you think all we have to do is go out and hire someone better than what we have.....you must not have been around when we tried that before and everyone turned us down. We got Lou out of retirement and we were lucky enough to hire Steve Spurrier. If your company does not perform as well as it did last year would you be willing for the stockholders to fire you and the rest of the workers, if you had a record setting 6 out of 7 years before this year?

I know Spurrier knows a lot of about football, but there is something called DENIAL, and he is susceptible to it. It's OBVIOUS that he doesn't WANT to have to make major coaching staff changes eventhough it's OBVIOUS, even to him if he is being honest with himself, that he NEEDS to. Yeah, I am not worried about him knowing enough, I am worried about his reluctance to ACT based on what deep down he knows. He's shown a pattern lately of trying to do everything the easy way. He keeps talking about how his job is pretty easy. Well can't sustain success while always taking the easy road. Sustaining success of an SEC football program actually does take a good bit of grinding. The job actually can be very tough at times. It was tough for him when he first got here for several years and now it's going to be pretty tough for him again.

We are past 0-21. We are intentionally putting that out of our minds because it what happened 15 years ago does not matter one lick. The only thing that matters is what is best for the FUTURE of the this football program. No one is going to fire Steve Spurrier, but as good a coach as you think he is he can still fail here because most teams in the SEC have excellent coaches too. And if they can excellent coaches we can get another too when Spurrier hangs it up. And will if he has another bad season or two coming up here.




This post was edited on 1/27 10:31 AM by ReadR00ster

 

[Mr CockStrong]

Originally posted by Cackdiesel:

Originally posted by skinner63:

If you knew just a portion of what Spurrier knows, you would not be behind a desk, you would be CEO of a large company!. How quick you forget the 0-21 record we had, or the three (3) straight years of 11 win seasons. How about the 5 straight wins against Clemson? One down year and Spurrier and all of our asst. coaches forgot how to coach. Some of these post this year have many shaking their heads, including me. Coach K just won his 1000th game at Duke, but when was the last time he won the National Championship? He also has had some down years, but I don't read where they want to fire him. Somehow so of you think all we have to do is go out and hire someone better than what we have.....you must not have been around when we tried that before and everyone turned us down. We got Lou out of retirement and we were lucky enough to hire Steve Spurrier. If your company does not perform as well as it did last year would you be willing for the stockholders to fire you and the rest of the workers, if you had a record setting 6 out of 7 years before this year?

2012 - 43 sacks
2013 - 25 sacks - Deke's first year, with proven playmakers
2014 - 14 sacks

You didn't answer skinner's question.

 

[Cackdiesel]

Originally posted by Mr CockStrong:

Originally posted by Cackdiesel:

Originally posted by skinner63:

If you knew just a portion of what Spurrier knows, you would not be behind a desk, you would be CEO of a large company!. How quick you forget the 0-21 record we had, or the three (3) straight years of 11 win seasons. How about the 5 straight wins against Clemson? One down year and Spurrier and all of our asst. coaches forgot how to coach. Some of these post this year have many shaking their heads, including me. Coach K just won his 1000th game at Duke, but when was the last time he won the National Championship? He also has had some down years, but I don't read where they want to fire him. Somehow so of you think all we have to do is go out and hire someone better than what we have.....you must not have been around when we tried that before and everyone turned us down. We got Lou out of retirement and we were lucky enough to hire Steve Spurrier. If your company does not perform as well as it did last year would you be willing for the stockholders to fire you and the rest of the workers, if you had a record setting 6 out of 7 years before this year?

2012 - 43 sacks
2013 - 25 sacks - Deke's first year, with proven playmakers
2014 - 14 sacks

You didn't answer skinner's question.

nm - i quit, you win
This post was edited on 1/27 11:40 AM by Cackdiesel