Muschamp actually due over $15 Million
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This is all on Ray the Rube, an AD so incompetent that he never got an agreement that reduced USC’s liability by $2,000,000 signed by the parties. Unbelievable! This should be no brainer grounds to fire Tanner and yet, our future in athletics is still in his grubby little hands.
Both parties not signing implies there was another agreement being discussed. The only apparent change that would trigger a discussion is that the two assistants who were to be given the raises ostensibly from Muschamp’s buyout money had left. It looks like Ray went rogue on the board and tried to negotiate a handshake agreement with Muschamp. Ray may be in serious trouble.
I know some have been complaining because they felt Muschamp owed us a public statement.
I am more interested in a public statement from Ray on this mess. I bet he ignores and moves on w/o addressing.
I am more interested in a public statement from Ray on this mess. I bet he ignores and moves on w/o addressing.
Or make a large donation to the Ray Tanner Foundation?
Nahhhhh ... that's me being cynical.
Who knows if he can? My limited experience in an AD office (part time when I was a law student )is that whatever verbal agreement is reached would go to the school's legal department (inside or outside counsel) to be drafted with a signature page for each person required to sign and then distributed in duplicate to each person. Each person would then be required to send in the two pages with their signature. One duplicate original would go to the coach and the other retained by the proper office of the school. Stating that, my experience was at a smaller private university which required three signatures to ratify a athletic department contract....the AD, the President and a designated Trustee....on behalf of the university. It was neither the ADs, President's or the Trustee's responsibility to distribute and collect the signatures.....that fell on the university's legal department.
This isn't intended to place blame as I have no clue what the procedure is at USC. This is just my experience from seeing it a couple of times.
THIS THE SAME CREW THAT'S GOING TO HIRE A GUY THAT GOES BACK TO HIS OLD JOB WHILE THE FUTURE RECRUITS GO ELSEWHERE TO PLAY FOOTBALL. CLASSLESS TO FIRE A COACH MID SEASON IN A COVID WORLD.
THE BLACK VOID FOR CAROLINA FOOTBALL IS GETTING DARKER. THIS IS ON TANNER, THE PRES AND THE BOT.
MUSCHAMP WILL BE THE HIGHEST PAID COACH IN SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY. ALL THANKS TO THE IGNORANCE THAT SURROUNDS THE ATHLETIC PROGRAM. TANNER, LIKE BEAMER, IS A NICE GUY. BUT THAT'S THE END OF THE STORY.
Ray Tanner and the BOT got pUnKeD even worse then we thought! It’s laughable at this point.
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Not really. I lived through a similar situation at work. We had a multi million dollar contract with another company and it had what our attorneys called an evergreen clause in it which meant we could not get out of it. It would keep automatically renewing. Anyway, we finally got them to agree to an addendum and we got out of it. We could easily extend the addendum after that. There was no reason to not sign. But in Ray’s case, we can only speculate based on the facts we know. I don’t see any other motive for Ray to not sign other than what I put forth. It was mentioned in the article as a change in the situation with the assistants.
The article didn't say Tanner didn't sign. It said at least one of the three....AD, Coach or Trustee didn't sign. I would presume that the University requires two signatures to ratify the contract, the AD and a designated Trustee.
The way i read it, is no one signed it. Almost like it was just dropped or forgotten by the athletic dept. or legal dept.
Sorry, I missed that. I am looking forward to more information coming out. I expect it’s about to get even more interesting. I don’t know of a scenario that will make everyone happy unless Ray can negotiate something less expensive.
Fire your lawyers. Evergreen contracts are not meant for never stopping they are meant to avoid renegotiations. They continue unless they are purposefuly stopped. Never seen an evergreen that didn’t have a 30 or 90 day notification clause.
Could be....though that would be really bad. Contracts don't take that much time to draft.....but CoVid.....
Honestly there probably isn't a solution that will make everyone happy....it is legal stuff, you know. Lawyers seldom make anyone "happy." LOL
What happened is that there was some clever wording inside the 90 day clause. These guys were slick. We did get new attorneys on it.
You are correct based on the wording in the article with the “or”. But the sentence construction seems like the journalist was trying to convey all parties didn’t sign, but just chose the wrong conjunction.
However, the contract, which was obtained by The State this week following a Freedom of Information request, shows the amendment was never signed by Muschamp, athletic director Ray Tanner or board of trustees secretary J. Cantey Heath.
By the way, good work by this local journalist. We need more of them uncovering all sorts of stuff, even if they sometimes find things we don’t like, make us uncomfortable or challenge our previously held beliefs. Grateful no one has attacked the journalist or called this “fake news“.
This times 100. People in another thread stating outside of Muschamp hire Tanner has done a good job. Unfreaking believable. It isn’t a curse we have had for over 100 years it is incompetence and fans that accept it.
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I made that statement, or a similar one, and you'd be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. I have some experience in an AD office and understand all the responsibility they have. Hirings and firings are simply the most public ones.
Name the best hire Tanner has made. Name the best contract Tanner has negotiated. Name the sports programs that have improved the most since Tanner took over as AD. Count me as underwhelmed. I’d trade him for Liberty’s AD immediately.
What facilities has he built and other facility improvements were made during his tenure, what has been our academic rating for our student-athletes during his tenure, what compliance issues have we had during his tenure, what sports have been cut during his tenure (a period when many if not most other schools have had to cut programs), how healthy has our athletic budget been under his tenure, what coach has complained about a lack of support from the athletic administration under his tenure, what required reporting has he failed to make to the SEC and/or the SEC during his tenure?
Retaining Staley was probably his best (and that was not a slam-dunk). Other than that Kingston is probably his best hire. WBB, Women's Volleyball, Women's soccer and several other olympic sports have improved. Staley's contract was probably his best.
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$15,378,750 is the number given by USA Today as the current buyout for Coach Muschamp's remaining contract. It also inexplicably does not contain a mitigation clause for his future employment in coaching during that time. Someone involved in the contract negotiations should have to answer for that giveaway.
So the buyout is effectively a gift on top of any salary he may earn coaching somewhere else. The University of South Carolina could effectively end up paying him a handsome annual salary to coach at someplace like Vanderbilt for the next four years, I believe. The only possibilities they apparently have are negotiations to avoid litigation or litigation itself based on the defense that there was indeed some cause for his early termination.
I'm not sure at all that a judge or even a jury would be sympathetic to USC's position, but court cases can drag out for years especially in civil court. That would be the motivation to negotiate even if it only ended in his acceptance of a future employment mitigation factor. This is a great deal uglier than it should have been.
$15,378,750 is the number given by USA Today as the current buyout for Coach Muschamp's remaining contract. It also inexplicably does not contain a mitigation clause for his future employment in coaching during that time. Someone involved in the contract negotiations should have to answer for that giveaway.
So the buyout is effectively a gift on top of any salary he may earn coaching somewhere else. The University of South Carolina could effectively end up paying him a handsome annual salary to coach at someplace like Vanderbilt for the next four years, I believe. The only possibilities they apparently have are negotiations to avoid litigation or litigation itself based on the defense that there was indeed some cause for his early termination.
I'm not sure at all that a judge or even a jury would be sympathetic to USC's position, but court cases can drag out for years especially in civil court. That would be the motivation to negotiate even if it only ended in his acceptance of a future employment mitigation factor. This is a great deal uglier than it should have been.
I have worked in the corporate world long enough that a department head is ultimately responsible regardless of the breakdown.
Tanner should always require an executed copy for his records. If he didn't do that, he fell down.
Who knows, maybe there was an agreement that they wouldn't move forward with this particular contract. Someone from the university should explain what happened / went wrong.
Yep - I think that's the way it would be done too. My conclusion is that Muschamp decided not to sign it and the University could not force him to sign it. Their only recourse would have been to fire him last winter.
As I sit here and think about this it explains a lot of things. It is why they hired Beamer. Muschamp had NO LOYALTY to the University. They wanted someone as head coach that they believed actually wanted to be here instead of just collect a paycheck.
Who negotiated this deal on behalf of the USC Gamecocks? Maybe they need to find another line of work.
Does anyone think Ray and the BOT was well aware of their errors long before it was pointed out? Could that be the reason Ray was hesitant to fire Muschamp?
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