The cure is simple. Limit the number of basketball recruits a university can sign in any year to 4 freshmen or 3 freshmen and 2 JUCO's (or transfers) (and 18 w/5 JUCO's) for football. If their players leave early, they use walkons to fill the roster. The mission for universities is to educate students. Student athletes provide entertainment and a source of pride for the other students. NBA, NFL, etc are employment opportunities for athletically talented individuals. Universities are being used to train employees for professional sports.
NCAA CURE FOR OVER RECRUITING LIKE KY
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Who says that it needs to be cured? The only thing that would change one and dones is the NBA changing their rules.
The NCAA shouldn't be concerned with what UK is doing. What they should be concerned with, is the prevalence of AAU corruption in college basketball. Recruiting in college basketball is a disgusting thing. Worse than football.
Simple to me. Tighten up the class and grade requirements
for them, particularly the freshmen. Sooner or later it would affect the GSR.
But then I'm a teacher who happens to think that education should be important for life and feels that a student-athlete is one because "student" is first in the appellation.
I'm such an optimist....
GOCOCKS! BEATTAM! BEATLSU!
for them, particularly the freshmen. Sooner or later it would affect the GSR.
I'm such an optimist....
GOCOCKS! BEATTAM! BEATLSU!
And baseball, although there is still a gentleman's agreement amongst coaches, is not much better. Until one has experienced it first hand, its hard to believe. Definitely will put a bad taste in your mouth for all collegiate athletics.
Re: Simple to me. Tighten up the class and grade requirements
One QB, I think it was, said he didn't come to school to learn he came to football. Sadly, that's probably the attitude that most athletes have. The admission standards and after enrolling the grade standards have been so lowered that they don't mean anything. A lot of the athletes should not even be in school and if their 40 time was 5.2 most of them wouldn't be.
One QB, I think it was, said he didn't come to school to learn he came to football. Sadly, that's probably the attitude that most athletes have. The admission standards and after enrolling the grade standards have been so lowered that they don't mean anything. A lot of the athletes should not even be in school and if their 40 time was 5.2 most of them wouldn't be.
What are we going to call this rule? "The Stop Kentucky From Being Too Awesome" rule? The NCAA really doesn't care that much about this. This is the NBA's rule. They don't care that Kentucky is really good. It good for the sport actually.
If Calipari was the South Carolina coach instead of Kentucky NO ONE would be upset that he recruited one and dones. I would be very happy if Frank could get a just a couple of them every year and we could challenge for championships.
I guess it depends on whether you want to watch college basketball or minor league basketball. the baseball and football rules are better balance . You at least learn the players name before they go and they have to make some effort in the education department to keep playing for three years. But Basketball is a complete joke. If you are gone after year one do you stop going to class January of your freshman year? Won't matter what you flunk after the first of April.
Yeah, the cure is real simple. Give them the death peanlty if they continue to do it. Who are we talking about?
Opponents of UK should stop complaining of this "one and done" rule. Could you imagine what UK would look like if Calipari had superstars for 2 or 3 years? Anthony Davis would be a Junior right now, do people really want that?
First of all he would'nt have that since he's the one and done king. He'd have to actually coach like the guys who do it with kids they actually know longer than 12 months. Cal is a piece of dogshit on my shoe.
The NCAA doesn't care what John Callipari likes or doesn't like. Neither does the NBA. He is a good recruiter. His players go to the NBA. They compete for Championships. He somehow convinces these player to come off the bench, sometimes even stay more than one year. It's pathetic to act jealous and petty because you don't like their success.
I don't know about limiting how many recruits a school can take. Things happen, especially during coaching changes that can cause a school to need to take a larger number of recruits in a given season. However I wouldn't mind seeing graduation rate requirements. If a school drops below a certain percentage take away a scholarship.
You dont keep up with college basketball much do you? Cal took over a UMass program that was about as relavent as College of Charleston, and turned it into a title contender with minimal talent. He also did pretty well at Memphis and turned them back into a powerhouse. You think its ALL about talent---Then how is Josh Pastner at Memphis doing now? He's got all the talent in the world since he's been a coach and cant even sniff a good year.
What about Coach K at Duke this year? He has the best player in college (Okafor) and the best point guard and they lose at home by 20 to an unranked terrible team.
If Cal was a terrible coach he would have never worked his way up the ranks beating superior programs annually.
Graduation requirements?? LOLOL!
Yeah, you might as well put the entire SEC on probation the day its implemented.
The NCAA requires programs to keep all student athletes above a certain GPA. Thats as logically as far as it should go.
I never questioned anyones ability to coach or graduation rates. I am saying that the NCAA establish annual limits on recruiting and forget the total number on scholarship. The courts ruled that anyone could play in the NBA and thus Darrel Dawkins and some others made it but the NBA lost a bunch on salaries for untested high school recruits. Thus the NBA changed their rules to require a one year test period in the NCAA. If the annual limits were in place, your HS all americans that left early would not be replaced and eventually you would have a bunch of walk ons and 4 McDonalds all americans on your team. The purpose of a great university is to educate, do research and community service and prepare graduates to be successful in life, NOT BE A FARM SYSTEM FOR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. Annual limits would keep schools like Tenn, Alabama, etc from signing 25 kids a year then culling them out after a year or two so they can remain under the 85 limit in football and 13 in basketball.
I often wonder if the freshmen at UK actually complete 24 hours of credits that is required of freshmen, if not that should count against UK and over time UK should lose some schollies like UConn did. Colleges cannot change the NBA rules, but they can combat it though.
Because the NCAA doesnt have a minumum number that have to graduate. Why in the world would you make a kid get a degree when he could be making millions, and pulling his family off welfare after his first year? Going to college is a business move, going to the NBA is a business move. You make choices what is best for you family. Degrees are great, but if you offer me 5 million to leave school, I'm gone.
You're right, a university is to prepare for life...not be a farm team for pro sports. But isnt that what UK is, preparing kids to go to the NBA? Many recruits would have NEVER made it to the NBA if not for UK. Many would have jumped early and failed, some needed to work on things. I'd like to see the guys stay 2-3 years, but I dont think other programs would like an Anthiny Davis or John Wall staying that long. UK is just like Kansas and Duke...Calipari was just the first one to work this system.
Re: If Capipari was at SC and signing the 12 twelve best
basketball players every single year even as you had 8 McDonalds All-Americans on your current bench...there would not be a hole deep enough for the NCAA to bury our program.
In much the same way that if SC had invented an entire college dedicated to fabricating grades and degrees for athletes, like at UNC, this program would be buried deeper than Jimmy Hoffa.
Of course, I am not sure that SC has the pockets deep enough to sign such repeated classes....it has to be very expensive.
basketball players every single year even as you had 8 McDonalds All-Americans on your current bench...there would not be a hole deep enough for the NCAA to bury our program.
In much the same way that if SC had invented an entire college dedicated to fabricating grades and degrees for athletes, like at UNC, this program would be buried deeper than Jimmy Hoffa.
Of course, I am not sure that SC has the pockets deep enough to sign such repeated classes....it has to be very expensive.
I don't understand how this "solution" changes anything. If you, limit the amount of recruits that can sign a class and give the leftovers to walk-ons then the guy that got left out just walks on and gets the scholarship anyways. Also, if NBA and NFL are valid professions for training like you say, than there is not a problem here with universities being as a minor league for those leagues because they learn and get training for their chose career of NBA or NFL. The NBA doesn't MAKE any kids coming out of high school go to college. Those kids could just sit around and do nothing, or train on their own until they are eligible for the draft. But they are smart enough to know they will have a better chance to be a better player if the go play for a college team for year.
Preparing for the NBA is not preparing for life? NBA basketball player is a just as valid a profession as dentist or accountant.
Re: Simple to me. Tighten up the class and grade requirements
That would be none other than your National Championship QB, Cardale Jones of Ohio State
Bingo - just depends on who , what and where.
The problem is the NBA and not the NCAA.
What I would like to see is the NBA adopt the MLB rule.
I think that is most people think makes sense. Give the kids an opportunity to get paid, and if they choose to go to college make sure they are in it for the long haul. The NBA and the NBPA apparently like the one-and-done thing better.
Re: If Capipari was at SC and signing the 12 twelve best
So you're saying that all these programs that get top recruits are all paying players? Thats funny. Memphis, San Diego State, Texas A&M, LSU, Marquette, etc....are all similar to USC, or smaller, so they all must be paying for kids.
