No Super Bowl starters were 5-star recruits. link
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You can't measure the heart of a football player with stars. He has to be coachable first. Sure if they have the size and speed for a particular position with work ethics too they could turn out to be a solid COLLEGE football player. That was even one of the so called problems with Clowney is sometimes his work ethics came into question but he has all the tools. Give me a solid high school football player willing to be coached and he can grow into a 5 star football player.
Well, I am not a star gazer by any means when it comes to recruiting, but to be fair to those that are, NFL players are far more removed from their ratings in high school than college players.
I think i saw something like 10-15 players for both teams were D1AA or lower. somewhere around 25%.
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Don't you know all of the true 5-stars attended KKKlempson and that in itself explains their epic fail to reach Super Bowl.
To be fair 5-star guys usually number around 25 per recruiting cycle. So there are FAR less numbers of them. There are probably 3000 high school players a year that sign scholarships to play football and were talking about 25. Thirty -two teams I can see how that could happen. But could Saban and Meyer win championships at half the schools out there? No! What about Calipari at Kentucky. Is it just his great coaching that has them undefeated? The lady Gamecocks? The two-most recent ones we have had have their names in WB as record holders.
The bottom line is if you can sign them you do and your program stands a lot better chance of being great because of it.
The bottom line is if you can sign them you do and your program stands a lot better chance of being great because of it.
Actually, it is 50 every year. That fact alone tells you the star system is bogus. Every year is not the same. Some years there are more very good quality players than others. So a guy who they rank as a 5* this year might be a 4* if he were in the next class or in a previous class. So out of the thousands of players that come out every year, there will always be 50 that are 5*. Wonder where this # comes from? Is 50 a magic number of some sort? My guess is it is simply a meaningless # grabbed out of the air by Rivals and other recruiting sites.
The other side to this is- many of the 5* guys who DO actually work out and get drafted ohh...s may #1 overall like a JD Clowney... Are going to play for the WORST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE! Cleveland Ain't going to the damn Super Bowl any time soon... It would take a good solid DECADE of getting the first overall pick, a bunch of new coaches and new management to get them anywhere close! These teams facing off in the playoffs are mostly teams that have been good for years... New England, Seattle, Green Bay, Baltimore, Indianapolis... They haven't drafted anywhere close to the top of the draft to get the kind of blue chip stock that goes high if they were 5* guys out of HS who stayed out of trouble and lived up to their HS hype. NE is notorious for getting guys low in the draft who are HUNGRY and interested in proving all the kind it's wrong who rated them low out of HS and/ or pushed them high on the draft boards out of college.
That is an interesting stat - it's funny how different the NFL and NCAA are.
Per Clay Travis: Since 1998, every team that's won the FBS National Championship has had at least 3 top 10 classes in the previous 4 years.
So if you want USC to do well - stars matter.
Per Clay Travis: Since 1998, every team that's won the FBS National Championship has had at least 3 top 10 classes in the previous 4 years.
So if you want USC to do well - stars matter.
There has never been a recruiting class with 50 5 star players. People know so little about math now that they can't understand even the basics of percentages.
I have a different take on it. I'd say that 9 out of 10 times your 5-star athlete was identified as a gifted athlete early on. HS and college coaches focus most of their energy on these role players, and the rest of the team is the supporting cast. Think about it: how many HS coaches seek out potential? They don't have time to develop it. And college coaches recruit based on HS success (as they should, not arguing against that at all).
So your 5-star athlete has likely maxed out by year 3 in a college system. Injuries finally start to creep up, the athlete may even get burned out (so many examples of this). Meanwhile the 2/3-star guy or the I-AA guy who was always good but never a standout on his teams has gradually gotten better to the point that he's beginning to reach his peak in the pros.
Yeah, there are plenty of examples of 4/5 star guys who are successful all the way through to the professional level. But for every Peyton Manning there is a handful of Jimmy Clausens.
So your 5-star athlete has likely maxed out by year 3 in a college system. Injuries finally start to creep up, the athlete may even get burned out (so many examples of this). Meanwhile the 2/3-star guy or the I-AA guy who was always good but never a standout on his teams has gradually gotten better to the point that he's beginning to reach his peak in the pros.
Yeah, there are plenty of examples of 4/5 star guys who are successful all the way through to the professional level. But for every Peyton Manning there is a handful of Jimmy Clausens.
How is starting on a super bowl lineup the deciding factor if someone has had a great career?
Playing in the pro Bowl (which is loaded with 5 star players) is a much better indicator for talent
Playing in the pro Bowl (which is loaded with 5 star players) is a much better indicator for talent
Another thing to realize is that a kid who is a 5-star recruit is usually a freakishly gifted athlete. Bigger, faster, stronger than all the competition.And in high school those guys don't have to work very hard to shine. Some do, but a lot shine on sheer ability alone.
Once in college, the size and speed of the competitors are now very similar to theirs. And now they are asked to WORK! To some it is something they never had to do before and some are just unwilling to do it. The ones that do usually go on to the league.
Signing them is a must if you want to win on the highest level. But you also have to find a way to get them willing to work. Demetrius Summers was not less talented than Lattimore but the kid wasn't willing to work and that was the difference.
Once in college, the size and speed of the competitors are now very similar to theirs. And now they are asked to WORK! To some it is something they never had to do before and some are just unwilling to do it. The ones that do usually go on to the league.
Signing them is a must if you want to win on the highest level. But you also have to find a way to get them willing to work. Demetrius Summers was not less talented than Lattimore but the kid wasn't willing to work and that was the difference.
