Not seeing any better hitting from this team so far

[Bigger_Stronger_Faster]

than last year's team, or the '13 or '12 teams.

I guess we're going to see a lot of low scoring games. Or at least I hope we do.

I just hope our pitching and defense can win us games like they have in the past.

Also, nice to see Meyers using a lot of pitchers. I think that's a good sign that he is comfortable with the bullpen.

 

[ReadR00ster]

We're built as a pitching-and defense oriented team, so it's to be expected. Our offense isn't terrible. Everyone has down games on offense.

 

[gamecock_07]

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
We're built as a pitching-and defense oriented team, so it's to be expected. Our offense isn't terrible. Everyone has down games on offense.

we're not in the top 50 of hitting and havent been in a while. with what we had returning and coming in, plus the new bats, i think most folks expected a bit better than what we've seen so far.

 

[cocky lady]

Wish we would hire someone to coach hitting specifically! Gets so frustrating watching us struggle at the plate so much! I know we have good moments but overall our hitting is subpar imo!! Hate to depend on perfection on the mound & in the field - we're gonna make errors & be off pitching sometimes. We NEED to be able to hit with men on especially - can't count on grand slams too often!! JMHO and observation!!

 

[usaguy40]

defense doesnt look good so far either.......way too many errors

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
We're built as a pitching-and defense oriented team, so it's to be expected. Our offense isn't terrible. Everyone has down games on offense.

we're not in the top 50 of hitting and havent been in a while. with what we had returning and coming in, plus the new bats, i think most folks expected a bit better than what we've seen so far.

Huh? We lost more hitting than the we got back in return. That was pretty obvious. And we are not really a worse hitting team that the last few years. Fans just forget about the previous years when they were complaining about the same thing after every bad hitting game.

This post was edited on 3/8 4:27 PM by ReadR00ster

 

[gamecock_07]

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
We're built as a pitching-and defense oriented team, so it's to be expected. Our offense isn't terrible. Everyone has down games on offense.

we're not in the top 50 of hitting and havent been in a while. with what we had returning and coming in, plus the new bats, i think most folks expected a bit better than what we've seen so far.

Huh? We lost more hitting than the we got back in return. That was pretty obvious. And we are not really a worse hitting team that the last few years. Fans just forget about the previous years when they were complaining about the same thing after every bad hitting game.

This post was edited on 3/8 4:27 PM by ReadR00ster

Huh?? We lost greiner, english and their 100 strikeouts as well as pankake and his streaky .300 average. We returned our best hitter in martin plus bright and shrock,(top 5 hitters from last year) as well as mooney, arendas, gore, caldwell, cone, etc. Add destino and the new ball to that mix and I'm not sure how you think we lost more than we returned, yet our batting average to date is less than it was all of last year. (against what would be considered our soft portion of the schedule)

And no, its not just perception, we actually are batting an average of 20 points less than we were 5 years ago. (check slugging and obp if you wish)

Batting Averages

2009: .310
2010: .300
2011: .294
2012: .265
2013: .284
2014: .281
2015: .275

This post was edited on 3/8 5:27 PM by gamecock_07

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
We're built as a pitching-and defense oriented team, so it's to be expected. Our offense isn't terrible. Everyone has down games on offense.

we're not in the top 50 of hitting and havent been in a while. with what we had returning and coming in, plus the new bats, i think most folks expected a bit better than what we've seen so far.

Huh? We lost more hitting than the we got back in return. That was pretty obvious. And we are not really a worse hitting team that the last few years. Fans just forget about the previous years when they were complaining about the same thing after every bad hitting game.

This post was edited on 3/8 4:27 PM by ReadR00ster

Huh?? We lost greiner, english and their 100 strikeouts as well as pankake and his streaky .300 average. We returned our best hitter in martin plus bright and shrock,(top 5 hitters from last year) as well as mooney, arendas, gore, caldwell, cone, etc. Add destino and the new ball to that mix and I'm not sure how you think we lost more than we returned, yet our batting average to date is less than it was all of last year. (against what would be considered our soft portion of the schedule)

And no, its not just perception, we actually are batting an average of 20 points less than we were 5 years ago. (check slugging and obp if you wish)

Batting Averages

2009: .310
2010: .300
2011: .294
2012: .265
2013: .284
2014: .281
2015: .275

This post was edited on 3/8 5:27 PM by gamecock_07

I don't really care what complaints you have about Griener, English and Pankake... When we lost them we lost a lot of production, period. Are you putting it all on Destino to make up for those three dudes? Martin is still Martin, Bright is still Bright, Arendas has like a .600 on base percentage. Caldwell, Gore and Cone are all hitting better than they did last year. So to me it sounds like you are picking on guys like Koch, and Destino and hunter Taylor and bunch of other new dudes who are just starting to get some ABs. And then there is Shrock who has had a slow start but you know what he is capable of. So stop worrying about it.

 

[gamecock_07]

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
We're built as a pitching-and defense oriented team, so it's to be expected. Our offense isn't terrible. Everyone has down games on offense.

we're not in the top 50 of hitting and havent been in a while. with what we had returning and coming in, plus the new bats, i think most folks expected a bit better than what we've seen so far.

Huh? We lost more hitting than the we got back in return. That was pretty obvious. And we are not really a worse hitting team that the last few years. Fans just forget about the previous years when they were complaining about the same thing after every bad hitting game.

This post was edited on 3/8 4:27 PM by ReadR00ster

Huh?? We lost greiner, english and their 100 strikeouts as well as pankake and his streaky .300 average. We returned our best hitter in martin plus bright and shrock,(top 5 hitters from last year) as well as mooney, arendas, gore, caldwell, cone, etc. Add destino and the new ball to that mix and I'm not sure how you think we lost more than we returned, yet our batting average to date is less than it was all of last year. (against what would be considered our soft portion of the schedule)

And no, its not just perception, we actually are batting an average of 20 points less than we were 5 years ago. (check slugging and obp if you wish)

Batting Averages

2009: .310
2010: .300
2011: .294
2012: .265
2013: .284
2014: .281
2015: .275

This post was edited on 3/8 5:27 PM by gamecock_07

I don't really care what complaints you have about Griener, English and Pankake... When we lost them we lost a lot of production, period. Are you putting it all on Destino to make up for those three dudes? Martin is still Martin, Bright is still Bright, Arendas has like a .600 on base percentage. Caldwell, Gore and Cone are all hitting better than they did last year. So to me it sounds like you are picking on guys like Koch, and Destino and hunter Taylor and bunch of other new dudes who are just starting to get some ABs. And then there is Shrock who has had a slow start but you know what he is capable of. So stop worrying about it.

if this was some random slump your 'dont worry about it' would have some merit. but if you cant recognize that we've struggled at the plate with our approach/hitting/being too aggressive for the past few years then you havent been paying attention.

im not trying to pick on anyone, all i did was reference the three (of 9 hitters in our lineup) that we lost and pointed out why i think its fair to assume that we'd be a better hitting team this year than last. if i wanted to put the blame on someone, i'd put bright and shrock squarely in my crosshairs, but as a team we've been very inconsistent.

we are actually batting .268 on the year after getting snuffed by clemson and miami of ohio on back to back weekends. its not that im overreacting, its that im tired of seeing the same woes at the plate that ive seen for 5 years.

 

[coxman]

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
We're built as a pitching-and defense oriented team, so it's to be expected. Our offense isn't terrible. Everyone has down games on offense.

we're not in the top 50 of hitting and havent been in a while. with what we had returning and coming in, plus the new bats, i think most folks expected a bit better than what we've seen so far.

Huh? We lost more hitting than the we got back in return. That was pretty obvious. And we are not really a worse hitting team that the last few years. Fans just forget about the previous years when they were complaining about the same thing after every bad hitting game.


This post was edited on 3/8 4:27 PM by ReadR00ster

Huh?? We lost greiner, english and their 100 strikeouts as well as pankake and his streaky .300 average. We returned our best hitter in martin plus bright and shrock,(top 5 hitters from last year) as well as mooney, arendas, gore, caldwell, cone, etc. Add destino and the new ball to that mix and I'm not sure how you think we lost more than we returned, yet our batting average to date is less than it was all of last year. (against what would be considered our soft portion of the schedule)

And no, its not just perception, we actually are batting an average of 20 points less than we were 5 years ago. (check slugging and obp if you wish)

Batting Averages

2009: .310
2010: .300
2011: .294
2012: .265
2013: .284
2014: .281
2015: .275


This post was edited on 3/8 5:27 PM by gamecock_07

2010 was the last year of the old bats. I'm surprised that there was not more of a dropoff from 2010 to 2011

 

[85alum#]

Originally posted by Bigger_Stronger_Faster:
than last year's team, or the '13 or '12 teams.

I guess we're going to see a lot of low scoring games. Or at least I hope we do.

I just hope our pitching and defense can win us games like they have in the past.

Also, nice to see Meyers using a lot of pitchers. I think that's a good sign that he is comfortable with the bullpen.

I felt the same way after today's win. But the fact is no two teams are alike, and it's still very early in the season. Hopefully it just takes this team a little longer to get in the "groove". But it wasn't the hitting that got those NCAA Championships, it was timely hitting and just unfreaking real defense. Double-plays became almost routine with those teams.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
We're built as a pitching-and defense oriented team, so it's to be expected. Our offense isn't terrible. Everyone has down games on offense.

we're not in the top 50 of hitting and havent been in a while. with what we had returning and coming in, plus the new bats, i think most folks expected a bit better than what we've seen so far.

Huh? We lost more hitting than the we got back in return. That was pretty obvious. And we are not really a worse hitting team that the last few years. Fans just forget about the previous years when they were complaining about the same thing after every bad hitting game.

This post was edited on 3/8 4:27 PM by ReadR00ster

Huh?? We lost greiner, english and their 100 strikeouts as well as pankake and his streaky .300 average. We returned our best hitter in martin plus bright and shrock,(top 5 hitters from last year) as well as mooney, arendas, gore, caldwell, cone, etc. Add destino and the new ball to that mix and I'm not sure how you think we lost more than we returned, yet our batting average to date is less than it was all of last year. (against what would be considered our soft portion of the schedule)

And no, its not just perception, we actually are batting an average of 20 points less than we were 5 years ago. (check slugging and obp if you wish)

Batting Averages

2009: .310
2010: .300
2011: .294
2012: .265
2013: .284
2014: .281
2015: .275

This post was edited on 3/8 5:27 PM by gamecock_07

I don't really care what complaints you have about Griener, English and Pankake... When we lost them we lost a lot of production, period. Are you putting it all on Destino to make up for those three dudes? Martin is still Martin, Bright is still Bright, Arendas has like a .600 on base percentage. Caldwell, Gore and Cone are all hitting better than they did last year. So to me it sounds like you are picking on guys like Koch, and Destino and hunter Taylor and bunch of other new dudes who are just starting to get some ABs. And then there is Shrock who has had a slow start but you know what he is capable of. So stop worrying about it.

if this was some random slump your 'dont worry about it' would have some merit. but if you cant recognize that we've struggled at the plate with our approach/hitting/being too aggressive for the past few years then you havent been paying attention.

im not trying to pick on anyone, all i did was reference the three (of 9 hitters in our lineup) that we lost and pointed out why i think its fair to assume that we'd be a better hitting team this year than last. if i wanted to put the blame on someone, i'd put bright and shrock squarely in my crosshairs, but as a team we've been very inconsistent.

we are actually batting .268 on the year after getting snuffed by clemson and miami of ohio on back to back weekends. its not that im overreacting, its that im tired of seeing the same woes at the plate that ive seen for 5 years.

This is Gamecock baseball. Sorry you don't like it. .268 and we are 12-3 and those games our pitching was disappointing. If the pitching is good we win, if not it's like 50/50. That's batting good enough. This our new identity so get used to it. We know Shrock is better than .191 hitter. He's hit a lot of hard balls right at people. But he has 16 BB and a goo OBP and he leads the team in stolen bases. Bright has good slugging percentage. He is tied for the team lead with 3 HR's he is a close 3rd in RBIs with 12, and a close 3rd in runs score with 11. Is Batting Average all you care about? We recruited field players that are going to be scrappy and play good defense behind our good pitching and you complaining their Batting average is only around .268? Come on.

This post was edited on 3/8 11:31 PM by ReadR00ster

 

[gamecock_07]

Originally posted by coxman:

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
We're built as a pitching-and defense oriented team, so it's to be expected. Our offense isn't terrible. Everyone has down games on offense.

we're not in the top 50 of hitting and havent been in a while. with what we had returning and coming in, plus the new bats, i think most folks expected a bit better than what we've seen so far.

Huh? We lost more hitting than the we got back in return. That was pretty obvious. And we are not really a worse hitting team that the last few years. Fans just forget about the previous years when they were complaining about the same thing after every bad hitting game.


This post was edited on 3/8 4:27 PM by ReadR00ster

Huh?? We lost greiner, english and their 100 strikeouts as well as pankake and his streaky .300 average. We returned our best hitter in martin plus bright and shrock,(top 5 hitters from last year) as well as mooney, arendas, gore, caldwell, cone, etc. Add destino and the new ball to that mix and I'm not sure how you think we lost more than we returned, yet our batting average to date is less than it was all of last year. (against what would be considered our soft portion of the schedule)

And no, its not just perception, we actually are batting an average of 20 points less than we were 5 years ago. (check slugging and obp if you wish)

Batting Averages

2009: .310
2010: .300
2011: .294
2012: .265
2013: .284
2014: .281
2015: .275


This post was edited on 3/8 5:27 PM by gamecock_07

2010 was the last year of the old bats. I'm surprised that there was not more of a dropoff from 2010 to 2011

why? depending on the year, there have been anywhere from 20 to 50 teams that have hit .300 or better and we can't seem to be one of them. and i get that scoring is/was down with the bat/ball change, but for whatever reason we have been borderline anemic at the plate. some folks thing one of the best programs in the country could find a hitting coach to bring us back to a respectable level, but as of today, we're pretty soft at the plate.

 

[Freddie.B.Cocky]

We hit .167 in a three game series against Miami-Ohio. That is not going to cut it once we start SEC play, against any SEC team.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by Freddie.B.Cocky:

We hit .167 in a three game series against Miami-Ohio. That is not going to cut it once we start SEC play, against any SEC team.

So what were were doing before Miami-Ohio? It's one series, it doesn't mean squat. We scored some runs we kept the other team from scoring more. We followed the game plan and it will be the same game plan for every team we play. We have a "manufacture runs" kind of team and I don't have any problem with it.

This post was edited on 3/9 1:35 AM by ReadR00ster

 

[Bigger_Stronger_Faster]

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by Freddie.B.Cocky:

We hit .167 in a three game series against Miami-Ohio. That is not going to cut it once we start SEC play, against any SEC team.

So what were were doing before Miami-Ohio? It's one series, it doesn't mean squat. We scored some runs we kept the other team from scoring more. We followed the game plan and it will be the same game plan for every team we play. We have a "manufacture runs" kind of team and I don't have any problem with it.

This post was edited on 3/9 1:35 AM by ReadR00ster

I don't have a problem with it either (we've been playing that way since before the bb-cor bats). Well, that is when we CAN manufacture runs. And how did that work out for us last season, or in '13? The fact is right now we aren't very good at it. I didn't go back at look at every game before posting this, but I have seen all but 2 games and it seems to me most runs that we've "manufactured" came by way of RBI's via HR's.

BTW, that tater kid that we made look like a MLB starter last Monday got punched out today in 1.2 innings vs NCST giving up 7 er on 6 hits and 1 bb. Now I know every pitcher can have a bad day, but I don't believe he can have that bad a day. And I think you'll see later in the season that NCST is a hitting machine that will beat up on every Sunday pitcher they see.

I just think we're struggling right now, and it's fairly evident by the way the staff has been shuffling the line-up and by how many new players we've seen getting ab's. I just hope they can get it together and settle on a good line-up by the time we get to the meat of the SEC schedule. Starting out with UK at home and then Mizzou just might be a blessing.

 

[gamecock_07]

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

So what were were doing before Miami-Ohio? It's one series, it doesn't mean squat. We scored some runs we kept the other team from scoring more. We followed the game plan and it will be the same game plan for every team we play. We have a "manufacture runs" kind of team and I don't have any problem with it.

This post was edited on 3/9 1:35 AM by ReadR00ster

What, you don't remember? We got whipped by Clemson because we couldn't 'manufacture runs'. We batted .198 for the series, got shutout in the rubber game at home, fortunately had one great inning in game two and held on for dear life, and squandered multiple scoring opportunities in game one. We've pretty much stunk it up all year long unless its against teams that wont finish ranked in the top 250 in the country.

 

[umdterpcock]

What people don't understand is that college coaches don't covet baseball skills anymore, they covet speed and arm strength then try and develop from their and its impossible to develop all of them.

I know there are better hitters at D2 than we have but they are a step slow, and just a step. Anderson Universities best hitter is the best amateur hitter in the state by far and never got a D1 offer.

Until they start recruiting baseball talent instead of athletes you'll see up and down play constantly in college baseball.

With what they are looking for in today's game I doubt Pete Rose would have ever been drafted, or recruited and that's sad.

New committ Jake Wright (Chester HS) is as solid of a hitter as we've had in a while, hope they don't just use him as a pitcher.

 

[fowlfan]

Originally posted by umdterpcock:
What people don't understand is that college coaches don't covet baseball skills anymore, they covet speed and arm strength then try and develop from their and its impossible to develop all of them.

I know there are better hitters at D2 than we have but they are a step slow, and just a step. Anderson Universities best hitter is the best amateur hitter in the state by far and never got a D1 offer.

Until they start recruiting baseball talent instead of athletes you'll see up and down play constantly in college baseball.

With what they are looking for in today's game I doubt Pete Rose would have ever been drafted, or recruited and that's sad.

New committ Jake Wright (Chester HS) is as solid of a hitter as we've had in a while, hope they don't just use him as a pitcher.

And that's the exact opposite of the Billy Beane method (find guys that can hit, and you can teach them how to play a position)

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by gamecock_07:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

So what were were doing before Miami-Ohio? It's one series, it doesn't mean squat. We scored some runs we kept the other team from scoring more. We followed the game plan and it will be the same game plan for every team we play. We have a "manufacture runs" kind of team and I don't have any problem with it.

This post was edited on 3/9 1:35 AM by ReadR00ster

What, you don't remember? We got whipped by Clemson because we couldn't 'manufacture runs'. We batted .198 for the series, got shutout in the rubber game at home, fortunately had one great inning in game two and held on for dear life, and squandered multiple scoring opportunities in game one. We've pretty much stunk it up all year long unless its against teams that wont finish ranked in the top 250 in the country.

We got whipped because because we couldn't pitch that series. If we get that straightened out, we will have a good season, if we don't we won't. The hitting could be a lot worse than what you are complaining about, right now it's not at complaining level because it's good enough to win with good pitching and defense which is our strategy of choice. If you are just going to complain about all the games we lose and all the games we don't hit well, than you might as well stop watching because we will lose some more and we will have plenty of games that we won't hit well, some we will win some we won't. You are focusing too much on the negative of the team. When I get upset about this team it's going to be when the pitching isn't up to high standard because that is they way were are intentionally built as a team. We are a PITCHING TEAM. I don't know what why that is so hard to understand. The pitching has been improving and we are manufacturing runs well enough to be 12-3. That's not bad.

This post was edited on 3/9 5:30 PM by ReadR00ster

This post was edited on 3/9 5:31 PM by ReadR00ster

 

[umdterpcock]

Panda seems to know what to do with a bat in his hand.

 

[boxedring]

Stats are useful but don't need them to see this team swings purses and not bats,,,yet. Not sure what stadium Read00 has been visiting. Zero runs against clemson likely had something to do with game 3 loss and we are kicking the ball all over the park. Kentucky likely will not provide BB/PB for 3 or 4 runs.

 

[cockn'fyr]

I really like this team more than last year for whatever reason! I don't see Schrock, Arendas and Bright slumping all season, it they do we're in trouble!

 

[chucktowncock]

is there a shortage of skeezoid meds?

 

[gamecock_07]

penn state had given up more than 5 runs in 8 of their 9 games this season, and more than 10 runs in 3 of those 9. What do the cocks do against their mid-week guy? 2 earned runs....5 hits.... this is really getting pathetic.

 

[usaguy40]

facts are after tonight their batting avg dropped from .268 to .263.....if their built on defense, they may want to work on that too.....they are ranked 108th in fielding percentage and have committed 19 errors on the season add 1 more after tonight....i hope they turn things around