OT: UNC gets twelve months academic probation

[vacock#]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ersity-north-carolina-probation-accreditation

The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, the commission that accredits the University of North Carolina, has placed UNC on 12 months probation after standard violations including academic integrity and failure to monitor sports, the board announced Thursday. Yes, it's the same scandal that's involved the school's athletics programs since 2010.

SACSCOC president Belle Wheelan said "it's the most serious sanction we have," via News & Observer's Dan Kane and Jane Stancill.

The school allegedly violated seven standards in total.

12 months is the most serious sanction, really?

 

[pepsicock]

That has nothing to do with the NCAA .

 

[Lexington Bubba]

Wow, they have something in common with SC State.

 

[vacock#]

That has nothing to do with the NCAA .

Yes. I know. Their scandal was academic and for the whole school administration. 12 months of probation vs. 18 years of fraud?

 

[superflyby]

They could have taken their accreditation away but I guess this was the most I really thought they would do.

 

[gcock5]

from another report:
The practical effect of the sanction is that "they just have to send us more documentation to show their compliance with seven of these principals," commission President Belle Wheelan said.

what a joke.

 

[Bongsummers]

For the athletic programs, yes, it's a joke. For the administration, this it's a huge embarrassment.

 

[anon_n4c0cp5zhdxn7]

Yes. I know. Their scandal was academic and for the whole school administration. 12 months of probation vs. 18 years of fraud?

I don't think they care about the athletic program, they're concerned about the academic integrity. Wait to see what the NCAA eventually hands down, in 3 years.

 

[lazenge44]

While they are keeping their accreditation (ironic, given they refer themselves as a Public Ivy), this will really take a hit for grant money. Not to mention the pointy heads will certainly be embarrassed about this. And

from another report:
The practical effect of the sanction is that "they just have to send us more documentation to show their compliance with seven of these principals," commission President Belle Wheelan said.

what a joke.

Not exactly. The money a school like UNC brings in with athletics is pennies compared to the grant money that flows into a school. That part of an institution's funding became a lot more difficult with today's news. Grants are critical in funding a lot of the "overhead" at a university. This is even more important in these times of budget cuts to the university system.

Of the 7 citations, the most damaging could be the one on financial aid. Several emails in the addendum to the Wainstein Report and the NOA included emails where its very obvious they were participating in Pell Grant fraud. That's serious stuff. If the federal gov gets involved, there will be a bunch of butts puckering up in Chapel Hill because the gov has something the NCAA doesn't - subpoena power.

 

[Anna_Nimmitty]

For the athletic programs, yes, it's a joke. For the administration, this it's a huge embarrassment.

While you are 100% correct regarding their academic embarrassment, their NCAA Mens Basketball Championship flags are forever tarnished from here on out - despite what any of their fans may plead, those flags now have asterisks on them. (how 'bout those UNCarolina Blue Tarhole smiley faces there now?!?!?!)

 

[pepsicock]

Yes. I know. Their scandal was academic and for the whole school administration. 12 months of probation vs. 18 years of fraud?

Don't take for what I said the wrong way . I hope UNC gets toasted . But I will believe it to I see it that they get busted by the NCAA .

 

[Athenscock1]

Trust me, in the academic world of higher education that is a serious l body blow for UNC. It puts them down in a cess pool of much lower institutions of higher education. That ivory tower they think they live in has crushed at their feet Now it's time for the NCAA to man up and do their job on the athletic program. Totally different agencies.

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

While you are 100% correct regarding their academic embarrassment, their NCAA Mens Basketball Championship flags are forever tarnished from here on out - despite what any of their fans may plead, those flags now have asterisks on them. (how 'bout those UNCarolina Blue Tarhole smiley faces there now?!?!?!)

Hopefully those tarnished titles will be vacated, since they shouldn't have been won to begin with.

 

[FORKCOCK]

Hopefully those tarnished titles will be vacated, since they shouldn't have been won to begin with.

Exactly.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Yes. I know. Their scandal was academic and for the whole school administration. 12 months of probation vs. 18 years of fraud?

You want them to pull UNC's accreditation? Pull the rug out from thousands of students currently attending one of the largest and oldest universities in the country?

 

[cocknjax]

You want them to pull UNC's accreditation? Pull the rug out from thousands of students currently attending one of the largest and oldest universities in the country?

Of course. The punishment should fit the crime. After all, it is Academic Fraud, and Accreditation is based on Academics. why should they get special treatment because of a name or seniority? Why that is one reason America was founded, for Equal Treatment under the Law, isn't it?

 

[ReadR00ster]

Of course. The punishment should fit the crime. After all, it is Academic Fraud, and Accreditation is based on Academics. why should they get special treatment because of a name or seniority? Why that is one reason America was founded, for Equal Treatment under the Law, isn't it?

If you think that is the punishment that fits that crime, than you are an idiot. You are going to punish all those thousands of students that had absolutely nothing to do with this. They spending thousands of dollars for their degree. A few people committed fraud for the benefit of some athletes, it doesn't mean the entire institution is a fraud and anyone that has a UNC a worthless piece of paper. 96% of the professors and 99% of the students haven been doing everything right. I don't like UNC either. But don't let your dislike of them get in the way of rational thinking.

 

[cocknjax]

If you think that is the punishment that fits that crime, than you are an idiot. You are going to punish all those thousands of students that had absolutely nothing to do with this. They spending thousands of dollars for their degree.

Your name calling as an excuse for being unable to refute logic and common law is the idiocy here.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Your name calling as an excuse for being unable to refute logic and common law is the idiocy here.

I didn't call you any names. I said thinking that entire university should lose accreditation for some basketball players that had papers written for them is idiotic because it absolutely is. The Punishment would do a thousand times more harm than the actual crime. NCAA should levy harsh punish. pull scholarships, post season ban. But talk about losing accreditation is looney toons.

I don't mind them "threatening" UNC with it to motivate them to clean up their act. But to just pull it without warning is crazy.

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ersity-north-carolina-probation-accreditation

The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, the commission that accredits the University of North Carolina, has placed UNC on 12 months probation after standard violations including academic integrity and failure to monitor sports, the board announced Thursday. Yes, it's the same scandal that's involved the school's athletics programs since 2010.

SACSCOC president Belle Wheelan said "it's the most serious sanction we have," via News & Observer's Dan Kane and Jane Stancill.

The school allegedly violated seven standards in total.

12 months is the most serious sanction, really?

I believe it's an accreditation thing... If they lost their accreditation, they would lose federal and state funding and it would take them forever to get that accreditation back...

NCA&T would end up taking over UNC Chapel Hill...

 

[ReadR00ster]

I believe it's an accreditation thing... If they lost their accreditation, they would lose federal and state funding and it would take them forever to get that accreditation back...

NCA&T would end up taking over UNC Chapel Hill...

smh, they are not going to lose accreditation over this. They aren't going to overly punish the wrong people.

 

[vacock#]

A few people committed fraud for the benefit of some athletes, it doesn't mean the entire institution is a fraud and anyone that has a UNC a worthless piece of paper.

The whole Black Study program and a few other classes were a fraud and were for athletes but also had non-athletes take classes. The administration knew there was a problem and covered it up, lied about it, and fired people who told the truth. It is not just about athletics at this point. So how do you punish an institution that perpetrated fraud for 18 years? The entire institution was not a fraud but the administration was guilty. Take away their accreditation would be appropriate but they only gave them one year of probation. If they lost accreditation, the employers would have to determine the value of the graduate to see if they had a worthless piece of paper.

 

[ReadR00ster]

The whole Black Study program and a few other classes were a fraud and were for athletes but also had non-athletes take classes. The administration knew there was a problem and covered it up, lied about it, and fired people who told the truth. It is not just about athletics at this point. So how do you punish an institution that perpetrated fraud for 18 years? The entire institution was not a fraud but the administration was guilty. Take away their accreditation would be appropriate but they only gave them one year of probation. If they lost accreditation, the employers would have to determine the value of the graduate to see if they had a worthless piece of paper.

It's NOT appropriate. It's not appropriate to punish the 30,000 students that had nothing to do with with this. It's not appropriate to punish the hundreds of thousands of UNC grads that had nothing to do with it. As serious as this is. This is not how to handle the situation. You don't shoot a guy in the head because he has cancer. You cut out the cancer. The employers would have to evaluate worth of the degree? These UNC students that were not involved in the African Amercian classes should not even have to put up with that.

 

[vacock#]

It's NOT appropriate. It's not appropriate to punish the 30,000 students that had nothing to do with with this. It's not appropriate to punish the hundreds of thousands of UNC grads that had nothing to do with it. As serious as this is. This is not how to handle the situation. You don't shoot a guy in the head because he has cancer. You cut out the cancer.

That's not how the system works. If you don't want to lose accreditation, then you don't do the things they did. Life is not fair. Besides, what is upsetting you? They didn't lose their accreditation (yet). They are only under probation for only one year. As far as I can tell, none of the guilty administrators were fired by the UNC Board. So they didn't cut out the cancer and it has grown.

 

[ReadR00ster]

That's not how the system works. If you don't want to lose accreditation, then you don't do the things they did. Life is not fair. Besides, what is upsetting you? They didn't lose their accreditation (yet). They are only under probation for only one year. As far as I can tell, none of the guilty administrators were fired by the UNC Board. So they didn't cut out the cancer and it has grown.

Yeah, they didn't lose their accreditation because that is insanity. That is why they didn't go that far, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about this. As far as cutting out the cancer goes, they are still working on it. Not all the administrators are being held completely responsible for Fraud. They are being charged with lack of institutional control. I know you'd like to put the blame for fraud on them, but it doesn't work that way. They get lack institutional control because that is what lack of institutional control is for. For when there is no conclusive proof of wrong doing by someone but you want to punish them anyway because you should have known it was happening around you.

Life is not fair, but government is supposed to be. This a talking about an organization deciding whether or not to punish innocent people. How you like it if I responded to someone claiming their civil rights were violated that "Life is not fair, too bad, suck it up?"

 

[lazenge44]

SACS doesn't pull a school's accreditation unless while on probation they continue to skate the rules. Probation is the most severe penalty they could impose and did. Whats funny is that they tried to pin this on butch Davis and John Blake when the system of fraud classes was started for basketball. So instead of firing Roy, he gets an extension and gets to keep all the bonus $ in his contract for his team fraudulently earning academic achievements.