recruiting top 10 players

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  1. SCsandlapper

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    But the fact is they DID have Watson. And we heard the same type things about him that you're now saying about Lawrence....."too skinny, injury prone, etc"...And all he did was finish runner-up in the Heismann twice and tore bama a new one 2 years in a row while winning a Natty.
    Film I've seen of Lawrence looks like a beast to me and another one UGLY let slip out of the state.
     
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    Xavier Thomas was pretty close to being a Gamecock lock. That didn't stop the Clemson staff. No article knows for sure what a recruit is going to do.

    In XT's situation, something suspicious happened between the weekend of the spring game and his Clemson visit. So it may be an outlier. But my point still stands neither you nor your insiders know for certain what a recruit is going to do.
     
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    South Carolina is still a metro campus which is appealing to college age students. There are bars, restaurants, and many other things that college kids enjoy. But if you enjoy cow tipping, by all means go to Clemson.
     
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    See post 2 in this thread!!!
     
  5. Grumpyolddawg

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    You have a short memory don't you, last time we played we kicked the living sh!t out of Clemson, made them quit, tuck tail and sneak out of Athens. Don't act like it was ancient history, Watson was on the team, so was the admitted pervert, I know I should be more specific but you can probably guess who I am talking about. One thing he wasn't doing in the game was running that mouth of his. So what gap are you talking about closing, Clemson is a soft team and Bama would have beaten them 2 scores if the big back hadn't gotten hurt. The ones who play against us in Athens would have gotten out of Chubb's way, they sure were that night.

    Serious question, since Clemson has copied everything from Auburn to their mascot, main color and buying of players, have it also copied Auburn's method of handling NCAA questions by simply denying and saying prove it? I have a cousin who is a Clemson grad with some kind of construction degree, he is putting it to good use too, drives a dump truck for his daddy's construction business. No way he gets that job without that Clemson degree.
     
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    I agree. And, many people think they are a small college in Georgia. Of course, that's exactly what I tell them when I'm traveling. Why would anyone want to go to school there? Of course, most of their fans probably didn't even make it out of high school. lol
     
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    Given our fall and Clemson's recent success we are currently in a vacuum and won't get the prima donnas this season. Look for our stock to really rise after this year.
     
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    and Columbia is a hillbilly town in the middle of a desert. I mean, come on. I've never gotten the whole "Clemson is redneck central" getting thrown about by folks who live in a slightly bigger version of redneck central with a Red Lobster and a petting zoo. Yes, I've been in Columbia within the past few years. It ain't Charlotte. It ain't Atlanta. It's a pretty provincial state capital in a state that ranks dead last in anything that Mississippi isn't running for.
     
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    Yeah until we hang half a hundred on clemson we need to be out doing them in every way
     
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  10. Grumpyolddawg

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    Will he be another one that slipped out of state and has a losing record to us? Hutson Mason and UGA 1-0 against Deshawn Watson and Clemson. Both are good qbs, but their skills are not close to the same, Lawrence is no where close to being the running threat Watson was, which is what made Watson dangerousl Watson's passing ability was running a pick play to a little guy who could get lost behind a big WR and and a big WR pushing off to get seperation, both are illegal, but to Clemson's good fortune seldom called. Everyone knows it, its the knock on Williams by NFL teams, can he get open without pushing off?

    Are you proud of the character displayed by the CU players, the tape of Bowlware and his explanation are iconic
     
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    Spartanburg? Spartanburg sucks.


     
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  12. geomancer

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    yeah, something suspicious happened....like he got on campus and discovered there were 12,000 people interested in showing up for your spring game. then he came to Clemson on a lovely Spring day and watched a boatload of future NFL players playing in front of 60,000 fans and then retiring to the Oculus for some laser-tag and (I'm betting) a locker room with his name on it for the day. The kid was never a South Carolina lock. He was a kid who was a fan when he was younger, but who made a very business-like decision about who was going to offer him the best chance to get drafted in the first round three years from now.
     
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    but they have Ground Zero which hosts a lot the bands that I like to listen to.
     
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    Recruiting is not brain surgery. It is building relationships and showing kids you can coach them up. Spurrier had the opportunity but HBC was too lazy to work at it or even go to the trouble to continue to hire coaches that could do it. Sounds like to me that Muschamp and his staff are working but it takes time to build that trust. I am not a Dabo fan but you have to give him credit. He has worked at it harder than most and can close the deal. I don't know if all those deals are above board or not but he closes. Hopefully with a little success and patience Muschamp will be able to do that too.
     
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    Nice theory - and you're right - it is a shame a large portion of our fanbase was split between a final four, a national championship, and a spring game all on the same weekend.

    But that doesn't explain why he cut communication off a week before the Clemson spring game. I hope everything works out for his convict father.
     
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    Wait, I'm confused. Are you a Clemson fan or a Carolina fan? You posted this in another thread

    [You can keep your 3 stars and I will play you with all of my 5 stars that will go to the NFL in 3 years and beat you by 50. If you want to win you better recruit better. You will end up 6-6. The independence bowl is calling.]

    Page 1 of this: https://southcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/my-only-post-about-xt.229988/

    It's not really an issue either way, just wear it.
     
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    All black people at the pour house get broken jaws? You've been reported
     
  18. Pole

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    I saw QB Trevor Lawrence play six games in the past two seasons. Not only is he a great passer but he has tremendous wheels for a 6-5 220 QB. He was a top priority recruit for Kirby Smart. To say that he wasn't is ludicrous! He is one of the top two 2018 recruits in the nation for a reason. Bad enough to listen to all the gloating Tiger fans but listening to a whiney UGA fan is over the top!
     
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    With Watson gone, and less than a super star at QB, and Dabo being a dumb football guy, they'll get their due.

    I can't wait until the assistants move on and leave Dabo on an island. If he doesn't make homerun hires he's going back to Hickville. I can't wait.
     
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    We have been hearing this for a few years now but it hasnt happened yet. I am sure we will have a subpar season at some point in the near future but with his record and the title Dabo has punched his ticket to be at Clemson for a long time. He has only been HC 8.5 years and only needs 8 wins to pass Ford(who the older fans think is the best) on the all time win list for Clemson. You really think one or two bad seasons is gonna get him pushed out??
     
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    Nope but I think he's got a rude awakening coming soon. Dabo has been very very very lucky.
     
  22. Cackdiesel

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    Ford was better imo, but I also like his style of football better than what Clemson runs today.
     
  23. Cackdiesel

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    He's been very lucky with Venables. Venables could get a head coaching job right now, but my bet is he stays at least until his kid/ kids are gone.
     
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    Dude, give him his due. He has built built that program year by year. Luck , imho, has had little to do with it. With Lawrence , they will have 2 quarterbacks on their team that were higher rated as prospects than Watson. He has done this through hard work. You don't land top 5 recruiting classes consistently by being lucky. Maybe he is limited as an Xs and Os coach, I'm not convinced of that , but that's been the knock him. If he is, he has addressed that weakness through hiring great asst. Coaches. Smart move and a selfless act.
     
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    Im not a disgruntled fan because Clemson won a national championship and I predicted it was coming a couple of years ago and was laughed at.

    Dabo got Watson because of his relationship with Chad Morris. Dabo's done well but he's been lucky as hell with some coaches and players.

    Don't let anyone fool you, anyone rated higher than Watson is fools gold. To use those ratings as proof is misleading. Lawrence, and any other QB, can have tools. Watson had the best pocket presence of any college QB I've ever seen, that's NEVER going to be replaced EVER by any QB coming in to Clemson. And sooner than later the defenses will start slowing the spread down.

    Im not a Dabo hater but his rah rah bullcrap can't pull them everything. He'll not find another Venables getting let go because a foolish coach wants to bring in his brother. Stoops was a complete and total idiot for that move, which Dabo benefitted from.
     
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    I've been following the draft pretty closely and there is no shortage of pundits who thing Watson is not worthy of first round consideration. You might be underestimating the rest of the cast and the coaching. Venebles doesn't want to be a head coach and if they lose one of their co-OCs, it's not that big a deal as they are playing with the system Chad Morris left anyway.

    Remember how CU was going to fold after Morris left? Remember how CU was going to get killed in the 2014 bowl game against Oklahoma without Watson and only Cole Stoudt to lead the offense?

    You can wish all you want, but Dabo is too good a recruiter both of players and coaches to let this crumble any time soon. Might see a dip this year but not drastic. Worst case is 9-3 regular season. And this was all accomplished with just slightly above average facilities. Just can't see anything working to put the brakes on in the near future.
     
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    Those recruiting rankings don't measure heart! They don't measure pride! They don't measure toughness! But, coach Boom does!

    XT and all of his top level talent friends at his fancy football high school can go to Clemson. Coach Boom wants the tough kid who goes to his local public high school, with the kids he grew up with b/c he is loyal. Boom doesn't want the all-star, he wants the kid that got beat up for his lunch money as a freshman and learned to fight back. He didn't want that all-star McIllwain, he wanted a kid who had to work for everything he got, a kid who maybe wasn't a starter all throughout high school, someone gritty like Jake Bentley. Coach Boom will have a team of rocky balboas.
     
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    I'm told by a number of fans that Venables doesn't want the pressures of being a HC, and likes just being a D.C. Heck, they've got a good thing going right now. He is able to recruit any players he wants from anywhere , and can get those he needs. Recruiting is about as easy as it comes, and might actually be fun when you aren't desperate. He has the players to run any scheme he wants, and he has the best defense in the country. He's orchestrated the only D to ever shut out Urban Myer, and gets paid well over $1,000,000 per year. What's not to enjoy?
     
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    Agreed. Some people know their limits. Maybe he doesn't think hes suited well for being a head coach or maybe, like you said, he just enjoys what hes doing. Coordinators are more closely tied to game planning and actually coaching than the head coaches are these days. Personally, aside from the money, I don't think being a head coach would be very enjoyable. Dabo has lucked out if Venables really feels this way.
     
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    Yeah, we aren't interested in the most talented players in the country.....There is a reason they have played for the last two national championships and won one. Sounds like you would like Vanderbilt's roster over Alabama's. Doesn't want the all star? Not a starter? If that's the case then what's the point.


    QUOTE="CockyinMTP, post: 3292767, member: 98123"]Those recruiting rankings don't measure heart! They don't measure pride! They don't measure toughness! But, coach Boom does!

    XT and all of his top level talent friends at his fancy football high school can go to Clemson. Coach Boom wants the tough kid who goes to his local public high school, with the kids he grew up with b/c he is loyal. Boom doesn't want the all-star, he wants the kid that got beat up for his lunch money as a freshman and learned to fight back. He didn't want that all-star McIllwain, he wanted a kid who had to work for everything he got, a kid who maybe wasn't a starter all throughout high school, someone gritty like Jake Bentley. Coach Boom will have a team of rocky balboas.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Wow this is unreal and great research . In my opinion this is pathetic . Even if your odds are slim you still gotta make the effort and if you land 1 top ten guy every few years then you have a talent that can turnaround the program . This is the difference between Us and the big boys , If you are afraid to make the tough cast you will never get the big fish . I hate to say it but Dabo and crew outworked us and out spent us and that's why 56-7 happened and will probably happen again this year .
     
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    So Muschamp wants players that got beat up for their lunch money. That's a great recruiting tactic
     
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    You said, "I understand they just won the National Championship but they were recruiting well before they won that. I can't see what the draw is to Clemson. It's a hillbilly town in NW South Carolina with nothing to do. They play how many premier games a season? Florida State and who else? Who gets excited about playing the teams from Tobacco Road or playing Syracuse or BC? The game against us only matters to those of us who live in the state. Every now and then they step out of conference and play an Auburn or a Georgia but for the most part their games have absolutely nothing to get excited about."
    Don't be an idiot like some others on here. Some of you need to get out more. You keep thinking Clemson/ Anderson/ Greenville aren't nice places and trying to figure out why anyone would go there. I live in Anderson and would much rather live in the upstate than anywhere around Lexington or Richland counties minus Lake Murray.
    In regards to their games, just more played out drivel that people say when they can't deal with the facts. We have a long way to go to be in any premier game. Meanwhile, they play ND, FSU, Louisville (who has a Heisman winner), and VT. Then you get the playoff/ OOC schedule with people like Auburn, OSU, Oklahoma, and Alabama.
    I hate defending them but goodness man get a sense of reality about yourself.
     
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    Forgive me for wanting some other place to go besides Essos. Outside of the school there is jack shit in the town of Clemson. If you removed the school it would be just another little dead town. You could remove USC from Columbia and you would still have the capitol city. There would still be plenty to do, bars, dining, etc.. Like Jim Boheim(sp?) referred to their dining as both much more than Dennys(paraphrasing as I don't remember the exact quote). Anderson County is pretty. I'll give it that but if I'm going to college, I want to be able to hit the town and have some fun at night.
     
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    Perhaps that is the problem. Kids are sold on the small town environment, go there and focus and stay out of trouble. Believe me that sells MAMMA and that is who decides in many situations.
     
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