I don't think you or the writer even understand what perennial means. A three year time frame is not perennial. The term doesn't even apply to Alabama as they stunk pretty bad during the Dubose and Shula years.
Fair point.
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I don't think you or the writer even understand what perennial means. A three year time frame is not perennial. The term doesn't even apply to Alabama as they stunk pretty bad during the Dubose and Shula years.
Not trying to put everything on Spurrier. This is a problem for the entire program, not just the head coach. Of course, he's going to get the majority of the blame because that comes with the job.
People it's not just Gamecock fans and local media that sees all that is wrong.
I have listened to so many national guys that say that "Rome is burning" for the Gamecocks. They don't use those words but they are conveying the same message.
So are every single one of them wrong? I don't believe they are anti Gamecock or anti Spurrier, they are just telling it like it is and a lot of Gamecock loyalists don't like it.
Where do you think these "national" guys are getting their info? Do you really think they are visiting campus weekly? Perhaps they have gone through the USC roster, player by player? Do you think they are breaking down our film??? Really? How in the world are these national people getting valid opinions?
They read the local paper's stories. That's the best they can do. They have to appear knowledgeable over every Power 5 school. How in the world do you think it's possible for them to do in depth analysis?
Every story is a negative for USC. It's what The State does. For example, with today's hot topic of dollars spent on recruiting, you see USC painted negatively. Clemson has been glorified to spending so much money, and USC criticized for spending less. If, USC spent MORE money than Clemson, the story would be written that Clemson better manages their money than USC. Clemson would be glorified, and USC would be criticized.
USC doesn't get to choose how the story is told. The State does that. The national media will read what The State puts on the wire. The local radio shows will bring up the stories from The State too.
USC staff have made mistakes. They got very satisfied with the results and eased up some. I think things are getting better, but they don't become perfect in a week. Last year was terrible defensively. Changes were made and we'll see continued improvement. Most programs rise and fall. We fell some, and I expect to rise some in the future.
You get it. We need a spin machine like the taters have
Where do you think these "national" guys are getting their info? Do you really think they are visiting campus weekly? Perhaps they have gone through the USC roster, player by player? Do you think they are breaking down our film??? Really? How in the world are these national people getting valid opinions?
They read the local paper's stories. That's the best they can do. They have to appear knowledgeable over every Power 5 school. How in the world do you think it's possible for them to do in depth analysis?
Every story is a negative for USC. It's what The State does. For example, with today's hot topic of dollars spent on recruiting, you see USC painted negatively. Clemson has been glorified to spending so much money, and USC criticized for spending less. If, USC spent MORE money than Clemson, the story would be written that Clemson better manages their money than USC. Clemson would be glorified, and USC would be criticized.
USC doesn't get to choose how the story is told. The State does that. The national media will read what The State puts on the wire. The local radio shows will bring up the stories from The State too.
USC staff have made mistakes. They got very satisfied with the results and eased up some. I think things are getting better, but they don't become perfect in a week. Last year was terrible defensively. Changes were made and we'll see continued improvement. Most programs rise and fall. We fell some, and I expect to rise some in the future.
Where do you think these "national" guys are getting their info? Do you really think they are visiting campus weekly? Perhaps they have gone through the USC roster, player by player? Do you think they are breaking down our film??? Really? How in the world are these national people getting valid opinions?
They read the local paper's stories. That's the best they can do. They have to appear knowledgeable over every Power 5 school. How in the world do you think it's possible for them to do in depth analysis?
Every story is a negative for USC. It's what The State does. For example, with today's hot topic of dollars spent on recruiting, you see USC painted negatively. Clemson has been glorified to spending so much money, and USC criticized for spending less. If, USC spent MORE money than Clemson, the story would be written that Clemson better manages their money than USC. Clemson would be glorified, and USC would be criticized.
USC doesn't get to choose how the story is told. The State does that. The national media will read what The State puts on the wire. The local radio shows will bring up the stories from The State too.
USC staff have made mistakes. They got very satisfied with the results and eased up some. I think things are getting better, but they don't become perfect in a week. Last year was terrible defensively. Changes were made and we'll see continued improvement. Most programs rise and fall. We fell some, and I expect to rise some in the future.
Where do you get the idea that things are getting better. It sounds like a weak attempt to sugarcoat the situation to me. I will grant that a lot of what is out there is much more negative than it really is, but it's still a lot closer to the truth than all the sunshine pumped out on these message boards.Where do you think these "national" guys are getting their info? Do you really think they are visiting campus weekly? Perhaps they have gone through the USC roster, player by player? Do you think they are breaking down our film??? Really? How in the world are these national people getting valid opinions?
They read the local paper's stories. That's the best they can do. They have to appear knowledgeable over every Power 5 school. How in the world do you think it's possible for them to do in depth analysis?
Every story is a negative for USC. It's what The State does. For example, with today's hot topic of dollars spent on recruiting, you see USC painted negatively. Clemson has been glorified to spending so much money, and USC criticized for spending less. If, USC spent MORE money than Clemson, the story would be written that Clemson better manages their money than USC. Clemson would be glorified, and USC would be criticized.
USC doesn't get to choose how the story is told. The State does that. The national media will read what The State puts on the wire. The local radio shows will bring up the stories from The State too.
USC staff have made mistakes. They got very satisfied with the results and eased up some. I think things are getting better, but they don't become perfect in a week. Last year was terrible defensively. Changes were made and we'll see continued improvement. Most programs rise and fall. We fell some, and I expect to rise some in the future.
Rixon didn't we miss winning the division in all 3 years by 1 game? That's competing to me. Yeah we didn't win in either of those but we were in position, and can't ask for more than that.Appreciate you taking the time to read...I would say it wasn't "Alabamaesque" because none of those teams won a division or competed for a national title. That would be the difference in my opinion. Thanks for the comment.
Disagree with the piece. Yes, team is down compared to 2011-2013. I don't not think it is in as bad shape as it was when Spurrier arrived. Before Spurrier arrived the only "history" of USC football was that of mediocrity (at best) and only one ten-win season (which was soured by a loss to a horse-crap Navy team and a bowl loss). Before Spurrier, Gamecock fans hoped to be bowl eligible and beat Clemson (and not necessarily both). Since Spurrier arrived, he raised the bar of our fan's expectations. Prior to his arrival, nobody believed we would beat CU 5 years in a rown and UGA 4 out of 5. Now we're pissed if we're not in the hunt... which is awesome.
The truth is, USC will never be an Alabama type of team every year. For many reasons, including: Schools such as Alabama have a much greater endowment fund and more rescources to bring in top recruits. That's not going to change. Also, to win, you have to recruit your home state. When USC was winning 11 games per year, the best high school football players in SC were not only coming to USC but were talented kids who were recruited nationally. In the last few years, some of the best high school talent in SC is simply not as good (not recruited nationally the way the Lattimore's, Clowney's and GIlmore's were.) SC is a small state compared to our competition in FL and GA. So that will always be an uphill battle.
What Spurrier has done is prove that winning big here is possible, but it's not realistic to sustain it year after year based on the above factors. It's great that we can have the high expectations and be upset about the team's current status, but you're missing the boat in the point of your article.
Last year, Spurrier's offense was putting up record numbers while the defense failed. Before this season started, I truly believed SC was a 5 or 6 win team at best, and that this year was all about seeing what pieces would fit and what was needed for an 8 win type of season next year. I get tried of all the garbage I hear that Spurrier doesn't work hard etc. That's B.S. By all accounts from people who know him, he's one of the most competitive people out there. No he doesn't work 100 hours per week, but he never has. Your analogy that he's playing a fiddle while Rome is burning means you assume he's doing nothing to try to improve his team and doesn't care. Do you really think that? Really? If so, perhaps you should spend less time behind your keyboard, and actually go to a press conference and ask the man some intelligent questions.
I won't lie, I don't always agree with the play-calling, I also know it's all about execution and players have to be responsible there (wrap up on tackles, make a block on 4th and 1, don't get a 15 yard penalty when you're team is on the 2 yard line.)
Sorry dude, but I found your article to be nothing more than message board fodder... but you got people to respond, so congrats on that.
Wow. Even a writer at Gamecock Central is piling on.
Rome isn't burning. Rome hasn't been built yet, and since we're on Roman cliches, it wasn't built in a day. Or even 10 years. Perhaps we've had some rain delay the construction schedule but it's burning? Really?
Can we at least have 1 or 2 recruiting classes outside the top 25 before we say the thing is burning to the ground? For all the bitching about coach's recruiting, he's garnered 11 straight, and that's every year he's been here for those counting, Top 25 classes in a row.
It really pains me to say this, but I agree with most everything you wrote!Eleven seasons after it started, the Steve Spurrier Era has come full circle.
And I don't mean that in a good way.
http://www.gamecockcereal.com/home/2015/9/16/rome-is-burning
So we have to go with our second best QB because our first best QB who was not that good even in practice but still won the job is a nervous wreck on the field during an actual game, and that is supposed to make me feel better?We've played 2 games. We lost 1 of them. We clearly had the wrong QB on the field. Maybe he was okay in practice but is a nervous wreck on the field. You can't possibly know that without playing him in a game. I'm pretty sure that if we had Orth out there from the start, we'd be singing a different tune. I actually think we can best UGA this weekend. By the way, have you seen their QBs play? They didn't exactly torch Vandy.
We will get better. All is not lost. Spurrier has not forgotten how to coach. Be careful what you wish for. A young coach is an unproven coach.
Why can't we play a few more games instead of burning Rome down ourselves?
I don't even really put much blame at all on Spurrier for it. He's done a great job and was bound slip up at some point and the sharks were bound to swarm him at the first sign of blood. And that is what has happened. He got comfortable with some success and a couple of good QBs and made a bad hire or two. It wasn't supposed hurt us so badly. However all of the negative recruiting keeps piling on year after year. Then he made that unfortunate comment (that I don't care what anyone says to the contrary) can't be taken back. Recruits are seeing us now as with a coach that is halfway out door like or not, and we can't get any traction that way.Truthfully, after 10 years, a great deal of success, we should be rolling along. 8-11 wins per year should not be a wish or dream. After 10, 11,11,11 we should be reloading, not rebuilding. But we are. The latter at best, descending and sinking at worst. Spur is a great GameDay playcaller, flyby the seat of your pants play caller. Unfortunately, he has not surrounded himself with a supporting cast who can do those things to go along with him. I believe he could Coach for 5 more with no problem .
. But he cannot recruit the way of the world today, he is too enamored by the thought that he should be able to, and he is just too hard headed to see the difference. All of the staff are nice guys, Steve is a winner, his staff and a great deal of the players we have brought on are not. Recruiting, evaluation and development are paramount to a continuous relevant program. We are way behind the curve on that now. You can't scheme well enough to, or call plays well enough these days to make up for poor coaching and pathetic effort. No matter how good you are. During the 90 ' s yes. But this is 25 years later. Doesn't work anymore 99% of the time.
Most fans realize now just how special Connor Shaw was here as our QB. The guy just plain had guts and a Refuse to Lose attitude. That can't be taught. You either got it or you don't. Watching our teams beat Clemmy with Shaw as our signal caller still brings a big smile to my face!We don't have Connor Shaw. He was our saving grace. He made up for bad play calls, bad offensive lines, and he kept our good defense on the bench by extending drives with his feet. Yeah our defense was good, had play makers and had good future NFL talent but they were better because of Connor Shaw.
And Whammy can say thank you to Connor as well for hiding him as long as he did.
Today's teams that win the most have a Connor Shaw type guy running the show, not always, but more do than don't.
So we have to go with our second best QB because our first best QB who was not that good even in practice but still won the job is a nervous wreck on the field during an actual game, and that is supposed to make me feel better?
Thanks for taking time to read
So we have to go with our second best QB because our first best QB who was not that good even in practice but still won the job is a nervous wreck on the field during an actual game, and that is supposed to make me feel better?
Is Spurrier lost? I think this time yes. It's not about "how Mitch turned out" it's Spurrier's job to make sure he is ready. And don't compare this what is happening at Auburn and Georgia. Johnson and Lambert were proven commodities before this year and they didn't badly enough that they had to be pulled. Spurrier has 4 QBs on scholarship and they all got beat out by a walk-on and that plain sucks no matter how you try to spin it.What do you want? I didn't hear you bitching when we recruited Mitch! So why weren't you? Let me help you with the answer - you didn't know he'd turn out to be who he is. Let that sink in for a moment.
Who was the last great QB we recruited under SOS? Keep searching until you find one. He has always coached up the QBs. Some turn out better than others.
Are you trying to say SOS is lost? He doesn't care? He's lazy? Given the issues UGA is having, I assume you put Richt in the same category? What about Malzahn? Does he suck too?
Give me a break...
The weren't ****** walkons that beat out 4 scholarship players!!!! ALLEN was the #1 QB in the country out of HS! The problem is recruiting remember!! And those other players didn't suck against he like of North Carolina and Kentucky defenses!!!! Who's a$$ did any of our QBs burn this year? Is there any other rational person willing to post on here anymore? Seriously this place has gone downhill and that is saying something.As usual, Read knows nothing but proclaims to be insightful. Teams with QB battles end up making changes all the time. TAMU ring a bell last year? The guy that burned our a$$ wasn't the starter by mid year. UT last year, Josh Dobbs didn't start until game 7. But hey, that's a great point you made there Gomer.
This was asked of Spurrier in his press conference and explains PRECISELY what is wrong and why it won't be fixed:
Nick Chubb said he thought you were in Florida getting an award when he visited. Said he thought he would go to Georgia anyway, but would have considered South Carolina more if he had met you. What do you remember about that?
I was out of town when he came. Sometimes I’m in town, sometimes I’m out. I think he visited when I was out. Like you said, I think he was going to Georgia anyway.
No regrets about that?
Oh, I can’t worry about all of that.
The weren't ****** walkons that beat out 4 scholarship players!!!! ALLEN was the #1 QB in the country out of HS! The problem is recruiting remember!! And those other players didn't suck against he like of North Carolina and Kentucky defenses!!!! Who's a$$ did any of our QBs burn this year? Is there any other rational person willing to post on here anymore? Seriously this place has gone downhill and that is saying something.
Ok - so that makes auburn and UGA's situation even worse! And by the way, 1 of your scholarship QBs was a walk-on. Nunez is a freshman. You're really stretching here...Is Spurrier lost? I think this time yes. It's not about "how Mitch turned out" it's Spurrier's job to make sure he is ready. And don't compare this what is happening at Auburn and Georgia. Johnson and Lambert were proven commodities before this year and they didn't badly enough that they had to be pulled. Spurrier has 4 QBs on scholarship and they all got beat out by a walk-on and that plain sucks no matter how you try to spin it.
Do you people believe your own garbage? Chubb decides to visit a weekend when Spurrier was scheduled to be out of town..................I guess he should have cancelled everything because a RB recruit was mildly interested in SC? If he did that every time a recruits schedule changed or wanted to visit at only a certain time, he'd be sitting in Columbia 52 weeks a year. You set a schedule and stick to it. I doubt Saban would have cancelled his flight and plans for an award weekend b/c Nick Chubb wanted to visit. And Spurrier is right on..................Chubb plays for UGA so why the hell does SOS need to worry about something as trite as a "coach didn't bother to change his plans for me and I'm special" type player. But this stupid analogy works I guess for all the SC program bashers.
The only ones bickering are the pumpers whose knickers are in a wad because an ever increasing number of the fanbase recognizes the failings of this staff the past few years. We're going in the wrong direction, led by a great man who is past his prime. Doesn't mean nobody respects him or is unappreciative of what he's done for the University, but as I stated yesterday we've paid him over $40,000,000. That's more than enough and an additional $4,000,000/year cannot be justified given the downward trend we are on.
Eleven seasons after it started, the Steve Spurrier Era has come full circle.
And I don't mean that in a good way.
http://www.gamecockcereal.com/home/2015/9/16/rome-is-burning