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I liken it to they way Penn St. handled Sandusky. Despicable as it was, it was outside the NCAA's purview as it did not involve any student athletes. It was a matter for the courts, and in that system Sandusky was rightly thrown under the bus.Originally posted by gamecock_07:
this has gotta be an april fools joke
except this does directly involve students. the ncaa setup the clearninghouse process to certify the education requirements for each incoming scholarship players and they have the APR's to track graduation rates but they are going to take a completely hands off approach to everything that happens in between the two? thats complete bs.Originally posted by atl-cock:
I liken it to they way Penn St. handled Sandusky. Despicable as it was, it was outside the NCAA's purview as it did not involve any student athletes. It was a matter for the courts, and in that system Sandusky was rightly thrown under the bus.Originally posted by gamecock_07:
this has gotta be an april fools joke
The defendant needs to be UnCarolina, not the NCAA. The preamble to the US Constitution states that "..provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare." The NCAA cannot provide an education - that's the school's job. The NCAA should be promoting education, such as providing disincentives for athletes to quit school before graduating.
Rick Burton, professor of sport management
at Syracuse University, said it's not realistic to think that the NCAA
would regulate every professor and every course an athlete might take at
each university across the country.
"I
understand, I think, where the NCAA is coming from. We would not let
the NCAA come in and tell us how to run our chemistry department at
Syracuse University," he said.
This topic would make for an excellent discussion, although probably not on FGF.
Well said. Also, if they don't have a responsibility to ensure academic integrity, then why did they slam UGA basketball under Jim Harrick?Originally posted by gamecock_07:
except this does directly involve students. the ncaa setup the clearninghouse process to certify the education requirements for each incoming scholarship players and they have the APR's to track graduation rates but they are going to take a completely hands off approach to everything that happens in between the two? thats complete bs.Originally posted by atl-cock:
I liken it to they way Penn St. handled Sandusky. Despicable as it was, it was outside the NCAA's purview as it did not involve any student athletes. It was a matter for the courts, and in that system Sandusky was rightly thrown under the bus.Originally posted by gamecock_07:
this has gotta be an april fools joke
The defendant needs to be UnCarolina, not the NCAA. The preamble to the US Constitution states that "..provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare." The NCAA cannot provide an education - that's the school's job. The NCAA should be promoting education, such as providing disincentives for athletes to quit school before graduating.
Rick Burton, professor of sport management
at Syracuse University, said it's not realistic to think that the NCAA
would regulate every professor and every course an athlete might take at
each university across the country.
"I
understand, I think, where the NCAA is coming from. We would not let
the NCAA come in and tell us how to run our chemistry department at
Syracuse University," he said.
This topic would make for an excellent discussion, although probably not on FGF.
im ok with them hanging their hat on not being directly responsible for the quality of curriculum but if they can figure out that a kid got a free hamburger on a recruiting trip they should surely be able to uncover made up classes that went on for decades.
it doesnt take a genius to start to question exactly how these guys graduate with a 3.0 yet cant form complete sentences and score extremely low on the wonderlic test for the nfl.
You say that like it's a bad thing. We don't like the NCAA because it is EVIL. It has all the bloated bureaucracy, corruption and hubris of unchecked power of a government agency without the one balance of it's leaders facing the chopping block of re-election.Originally posted by charlestownecock:
You guys are just looking for stones to throw because you don't like the NCAA.
Whatever one's personal opinion is of the NCAA, we all seem to agree that we smell rotting fish, that it's ultimately the school's responsibility to keep it from rotting, further agree that some sort of oversight is needed, but disagree over who should be an overseeing body.Originally posted by charlestownecock:
The NCAA does not, and should not, have a responsibility to approve of ever course a university offers and to monitor that every course is being conducted to a standard. The University should have that responsibility in order to maintain its accreditation, which is also outside of the NCAA,
The NCAA does have a responsibility to ensure that all student athletes are maintaining a good standing within their respective universities. Which they do.
It would be ridiculous to ask them to oversee academic standards. You guys are just looking for stones to throw because you don't like the NCAA.
I would see your point if the NCAA didn't decide who could and couldn't be admitted to each of the universities. You're basically saying that the NCAA can openly know that University X is teaching a BS class and shortchanging an athlete from and education standpoint, but can simply take a hands off approach and give the statement that the student was in good standing with the university so its not our problem.Originally posted by charlestownecock:
The NCAA does not, and should not, have a responsibility to approve of ever course a university offers and to monitor that every course is being conducted to a standard. The University should have that responsibility in order to maintain its accreditation, which is also outside of the NCAA,
The NCAA does have a responsibility to ensure that all student athletes are maintaining a good standing within their respective universities. Which they do.
It would be ridiculous to ask them to oversee academic standards. You guys are just looking for stones to throw because you don't like the NCAA.