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SCHSL playoff observation

One of my daughters attended Pinewood Prep for a couple of years.

Admission for smart students was tough, great athletes didn't go through the same scrutiny. Scholarship money was scarce for smart students, but great athletes received full rides.

I don't know how Oceanside handles athlete admittance, but if it's anything like Pinewood spots are set aside for impact players.
Pinewood Prep is a private school with tuition (I had to look it up). Oceanside is a Charleston County Charter School (public) which is free. It must follow the state law for Charter Schools. There are no "athletic" set asides. There are "set asides" if your sibling attends, your parent is one of the eight members of the school's board or is an employee of the school (maybe one of 30 public school teachers/staff). I discussed it again with my neighbor this weekend and they again reiterated that they take the lottery very seriously as they could lose their charter and have to close down.
 
Pinewood Prep is a private school with tuition (I had to look it up). Oceanside is a Charleston County Charter School (public) which is free. It must follow the state law for Charter Schools. There are no "athletic" set asides. There are "set asides" if your sibling attends, your parent is one of the eight members of the school's board or is an employee of the school (maybe one of 30 public school teachers/staff). I discussed it again with my neighbor this weekend and they again reiterated that they take the lottery very seriously as they could lose their charter and have to close down.
Private schools probably have minimum academic standards (potential) students have to achieve, even if you are an athlete. For better or worse, an athlete does bring something to the table that will be considered regarding admission, but they still have to meet minimum academic standards set by the school. On the collegiate level, schools like Vanderbilt, Tulane, and the Ivies come to mind. IMO, Dook has abused this with all of the one and dones.
 
I guess AAAAA isn't the answer either, eh?

This also inspires a bigger question: why would a private school want to compete in a public school, rather than a private school league? Better publicity.

The Georgia High School Association (Georgia's equivalent of the SCHSL) does have a separate "private school" division in their Class A classification.
It would definitely be harder at the 5A level, but in some sports, yes, they would still compete very well. Last year's 2A baseball champion had 10 college commitments IIRC. How many public schools have that many? Maybe a few 5A's, but 10 commitments is unbelievably stacked.

I don't know the motivation for that. You'd have to ask those involved. All I will say is that IMO it would be harder for the privates to get athletes to come to their school if they knew they'd have to compete against the Dutch Forks, Gaffneys, etc. in the state year in year out.

GHSA is doing it correct IMO.
 
It would definitely be harder at the 5A level, but in some sports, yes, they would still compete very well. Last year's 2A baseball champion had 10 college commitments IIRC. How many public schools have that many? Maybe a few 5A's, but 10 commitments is unbelievably stacked.

I don't know the motivation for that. You'd have to ask those involved. All I will say is that IMO it would be harder for the privates to get athletes to come to their school if they knew they'd have to compete against the Dutch Forks, Gaffneys, etc. in the state year in year out.

GHSA is doing it correct IMO.
I note that only in class A does the GHSA break it down into public/private. And my guess is that their doing so is the opposite of what many would wish the SCHSL would do - those private schools don't emphasize athletics like Hammond, Cardinal Newman, and Pinewood Prep do.

If my guess is correct, a more accurate description would be that those GHSA Class A privates would be GHSA class B.

My wife is an alumna of St. Pius X here in Atlanta. They are a "5A" school in the GHSA. I don't know if they "play up" or not. And they are one of a few private school GHSA members who play above the Class A (B?) level.

GHSA's highest classification is 7A. My guess is that the average 7A school probably has an enrollment comparable to many "5A" schools in SC; it's just that there are a lot more of them in Georgia, and the enrollment classification brackets are narrower in Georgia than in SC.

That's why, for example, a school stating that we are "6A" means nothing to those out of that state, and the enrollment for grades 9-12 (10-12?) gives you the ability to translate as to how such a school would be classified were it in SC.
 
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One of my daughters attended Pinewood Prep for a couple of years.

Admission for smart students was tough, great athletes didn't go through the same scrutiny. Scholarship money was scarce for smart students, but great athletes received full rides.

I don't know how Oceanside handles athlete admittance, but if it's anything like Pinewood spots are set aside for impact players.
Not sure when your daughter attended but my son goes there now and I can almost guarantee you that if any kids are getting scholarships they ain’t playing football (basketball - I honestly don’t know). My son plays and the kids he plays with have all matriculated from middle school. In fact just last year (2020) they finished with maybe 16 kids on the rooster. I am not saying it never happened but if it has it certainly isn’t on the scale of a Hammond.
 
My son attends Oceanside. It is a public charter school for Charleston County. It's enrollment is determined by a public lottery. I attended the lottery in the school gym when my son was first enrolling. They literally randomly pull one name at a time out of a bucket until every name is called. I have a neighbor who is on the Oceanside board. I think they said last year they had over 500 students sign up for only 150-200 spots. If you are not one of names for the available spots, you go on a waiting list, where they will call you only if a spot is available. There is no "recruiting" and in fact that is against the schools charter, which requires enrollment by lottery. My son is a junior in the dual enrollment program and will graduate high school as a rising junior in college. As this is a public school, there is no extra tuition, so he is literally getting his first two years of college for free. It is not an easy school, as all classes (even if not on the dual enrollment path) are honors or AP classes. You have to be very self motivated to succeed.
Oceanside just got a taste of those white walls. Can't go in there cocky or you leave with your tail between your legs.
 
Pinewood Prep is a private school with tuition (I had to look it up). Oceanside is a Charleston County Charter School (public) which is free. It must follow the state law for Charter Schools. There are no "athletic" set asides. There are "set asides" if your sibling attends, your parent is one of the eight members of the school's board or is an employee of the school (maybe one of 30 public school teachers/staff). I discussed it again with my neighbor this weekend and they again reiterated that they take the lottery very seriously as they could lose their charter and have to close down.
Fox Creek is a charter in Edgefield county. There is no lottery. I think they have a student cap but anyone can attend. They even had some Georgia students there while my girls attended. So I could see a scenario where a team could be assembled with some effort. I was told at one time Aiken county schools decided not to play them in baseball as several Aiken county players transferred to FC. Looking at their schedule that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.
If Gray Collegiate wins state this year it’ll be interesting to see if they continue to become more powerful. When they first started they were in Fox Creeks region and they weren’t very good.
 
Fox Creek is a charter in Edgefield county. There is no lottery. I think they have a student cap but anyone can attend. They even had some Georgia students there while my girls attended. So I could see a scenario where a team could be assembled with some effort. I was told at one time Aiken county schools decided not to play them in baseball as several Aiken county players transferred to FC. Looking at their schedule that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.
If Gray Collegiate wins state this year it’ll be interesting to see if they continue to become more powerful. When they first started they were in Fox Creeks region and they weren’t very good.
Might the small population make Edgefield less of a draw and the need for a lottery?
 
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