So it begins....
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I wasn't speaking about race. I was just saying that there isn't always a solution for every issue in a country of this size. We're not all on the same team all of the time.
I know several who say they don't, but seem to know what is going on regardless.
I meant the games. This kneeling issue is pretty easy to keep up with without watching a game.
Trump's main problem is that he can't get out of campaign mode. I don't think he has any core beliefs other than winning...everything to him is a zero-sum game. If he can't break his habit (and I don't think he can...it's who he is) then he will eventually go the way of our last President who had a similar personality and couldn't get out of "campaign-mode".....Richard Milhouse Nixon. The big difference is that Nixon held some true conservative tenets that he believed in and was able to accomplish something....and Nixon was a lot smarter and more politically connected.
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I meant the games...as in they seem to know what is going on in the games. I think they are watching...but I guess they could be getting their info off game recaps and updates. To me that's about the same as watching.
This was much bigger than football. People are waking up and realizing exactly what are we celebrating here. The NFL has become riddled with a culture that it's not wanted by the vast majority of Americans.
I know the NFL thinks they are just going to flip a switch and the viewers will come back....I do not think so. They will get some back but most have left the NFL for good until this crap is addressed....if the NFL decides they want to continue on with people that show a blatant disregard for this nation they can get swallowed up by the seas as far as I am concerned and that is pretty much the outstanding opinion from what I can tell.
Don't forget that a lot of legal action is coming....do not expect the fans to care. The NFL put a gun to it's head and pulled the f'ning trigger. That is what has happened and the rest is just watching a body spasm on the floor.
You forget the NFL has at least as many and probably a lot more fans who support the protestors. To win back the current people who are freaking out, they will have to alienate a whole different group of people, and they will be alienating people who are on the side of civil rights. The NFL is pretty much screwed in whatever move they make. We'll see if they make the right one.
Yeah..that Goodell guy almost single handedly destroyed the NFL. If the NFL owners had any sense they would have canned him years ago. I am sad to see it happen...books will be written on this event. I hope that good does come from it. Maybe
Not everyone on the other side is against civil rights. Its not quite that simple.
I don't think most any of them are. That doesn't change the fact that if the NFL alienates the protestors' fans to win back the current detractors, then they are basically turning their back and closing their ears to the people championing Civil Rights. That isn't a good look for any organization, especially one that is all about media, marketing and fame.
If entertainers should not have a platform that we don't have, let's really level the playing field. Don't let the rich folk buy more free speech than we can buy.
Get up thar and sing to your heart's content.
Thankfully, that will never happen. I'd hate if the 60's and 70's rock and folk rock music didn't exist. Today most sing them without even realizing that they were protest songs.
Also, some of the leaders don't want solutions. They want the conflict because it is the conflict that had put them in power. People like Al Sharpton and Donald Trump get their results, they get to be heroes to their own communities and continue driving the wedge for bigger disparity so they can be bigger heroes. The real heroes are those looking to end the conflicts and generated, perceived and outright purposeful drama.
Trump may be a bit delusional, but I think he believes most of the outlandish things he says, but some of it is purely espoused to stir the libs up for the conservatives' enjoyment.
You libs who condemn Trump with every breath defended (and still defend) Bill Clinton at every turn, who was a serial liar.
Bill or Hillary? Everyone knows Bill lied about sex...or at least "legalesed" it. Big deal....hate to count the times Trump or most any public figure hasn't lied about sex. What else?
I don't think Trump is delusional at all...I think he really believes or convinces himself of what he says. He definitely has narcissistic tendencies that have shown up throughout his career and his personal life.
The problem I have with Trump (besides his personality) is that he makes mountains out of molehills...distracting himself and the public from important stuff. Also, the fact that he appears not to listen to his advisers and goes off on blustery, bellicose speeches and tweets that don't help his cabinet do their job.
And I'm not a liberal. Fiscally, I'm more conservative than anything either the Republicans or the Democrats have chosen to nominate. And on social issues, I'm a libertarian...which is pretty darned conservative....at least old school conservative. What I'm not is one of the new Tea Party neo-cons....who aren't in the least bit "conservative."
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Hey slick, since 1976 I voted GOP until 2016, and I was right, a pathological liar cant change
people like you seek affirmation not information.
people like you label people if they don't vote the way you think they should
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I have a better idea. Since it is such a big issue, don't do the anthem before sporting events. They don't do the National Anthem at other places of employment. You don't stand up for it before watching a movie. What makes sporting events different in that they have to do the Anthem before every event? I know the history of how it started during WWI at a Boston Red Sox game in an effort to make the game more appealing to fans during a time of war but why does it still go on? Just another tradition that few remember why it ever started in the first place?
Mike Royko was a veteran who served in Korea and one of this country's greatest newspaper columnists back when folks read newspaper columns. Here's one he wrote on the anthem 20 plus years ago. Kind of resonates for me.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-03-15/news/9603150026_1_national-anthem-patriotic-sporting
Edit: And another one on "stadium patriotism"
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-09-10/news/8603070573_1_national-anthem-singing-high-note
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-03-15/news/9603150026_1_national-anthem-patriotic-sporting
Edit: And another one on "stadium patriotism"
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-09-10/news/8603070573_1_national-anthem-singing-high-note
Wrong. Like most in your generation you do not know much about American history nor do you have a lot of value for American traditions. But lets not let facts get in the way of a good grievence outburst !!!
I'm really not sure what your point is here - other than some sort of paternalistic, rambling diatribe that seems to say, "these protesters are hypocrites because they listen to gangsta rap."
Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Please illuminate me on the "current ruling of what speech is protected and what speech is restricted," and how I'm on the wrong side of history with regard to fascism.
Hopefully deep down in your mind you know that it's not the flag that's important or event the paper that the Constitution is written on. It's the ideas that those ephemeral, physical things represent. If you don't know that in your heart, I'm not sure you understand what freedom is. When we lose that, we are truly lost.
If it's impossible in your world to kneel in protest and thank a veteran, that's a world that values the nation over the individual.
Your failing is a failing of perspective, one that shoots the messenger without looking at the message at all. One that values the fascist rantings of a very dangerous and un-Christian madman who demands loyalty and tries to eliminate all opposition.
If you took a step back and thought about who Christ would side with, you'd remember that Christ sided with that poor and the oppressed - NOT Caesar.
As an employee, you must follow the employer's directives when at work (so long as those directives are not illegal. The game operations manual DOES specify the expected behavior during the National Anthem and even appropriate actions when the behavior is not followed. There are consequences for any action whether it is in violation of the employment agreement or against societal norms. The NFL is in a tough spot by ignoring their own manual and now has society (primarily) against them.
You have a right to "protest" on your own time, own expense and within the "bounds of lawful protest" all of which the NFL players are doing except the first. Owners can take action if they choose and fans can take action if they choose. Nobody is threatening them with their life (your Russian, China, or ISIS reference) unlike the left does at Berkeley. We just choose not to support them and don't think they should do it, which, I believe is an opinion we can hold too, right? This is not Berkeley, Hollywood or D.C. where we shut down free speech with violence, rioting and looting - and call that democratic? Only if the speech agrees with you, right?
Actually, I don't seek or need affirmation about much of anything any more. I've had enough life experience to trust my own judgement about most things, and not care what anyone else thinks. I did not coin the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative", but it does not take a Harvard grad to understand where and to whom those labels apply. If you're a Trump hater, chances are you're a lib. If you're a Clinton hater, chances are you're a conservative. If the shoe fits wear it.
I really don't try to offend on here, but occasionally it happens. I just think it's funny to hear the same folks (mainly celebrities) who defended both Bill and Hillary (both chronic liars) so outraged over Trumps lies. It's great entertainment also to hear those who say they'll leave the US if (fill in the blank with any republican candidate) wins ... and then of course they don't.
In bold above, you just defined the democratic (left) party except maybe the dictatoral leader, which if they could have one they would. Look at most (if nor all) failed socialist societies, which the Democrats and especially Bernie advocate, fits the description above almost exactly - the latest being Venezuela.
We agree on one thing Blm is junk just like the kkk. After that the average white person lacks t he financial means to defend themselves also. If you are talking about lawyers. Not all but a lot of blacks have the attitude that the system is against them anyway and they may as well get that easy money. Guess what the poor whites feel the same way and they inlies the problem. Blacks want to make it a black thing and it's really a rich poor thing. Anyone in this country can succeed or fail and at least make a honest living for themselves. The problem is when people are taught to fail they will fail. I have a friend that told me his friends gave him hell for trying to do right. He wound up going to college but not everyone can handle being put down and called names. I get being born poor has it's disadvantages but when your own people try to hold you back it makes it next to impossible. We all have the same rules/laws if we all follow them the world would be a lot easier for everyone. The thing that bothers me most about this and my black boss agrees is the fact the police are being accused of targeting blacks when the numbers show blacks commit more violent crimes but twice as many whites are killed.
Never have cared much for the National Anthem and always have considered the hand over heart gesture undignified. Never sang it as few can and since I am a veteran just stood at attention at football games and such. I think that most foreigners with whom I ever discussed the Anthem found it a curious case of Francis Scott Key off key. Most admired patriotic hymn is America the Beautiful. Would be hard to not respect that one. The French would probably opt for Dixie as they backed the Confederacy.
So the people that record every police shooting are lying but the people that get paid for clicks are telling the truth? If that's the case why did you believe anything Obama said? Guess his administration was truth tellers? Wish I had y our powers to tell who was lying.
Why should anyone trust your opinion? I have seen some stuff that blew my mind myself.
his approval rate is 38 % ..there's more than 38 % percentage GOPer's in the country....must be a large contingent of republicans that disapprove of Trump.
55 % of people in this country say Trump is unfit to be POTUS..must be a large contingent of republicans believe Trump is unfit to be POTUS
you say if the shoe fits wear it...well those numbers show the shoe doesnt fit
Oooh! Your feelings are hurt!!
Look, Ive only read two of your replies to my posts, this is my 2nd.
I just walked in the door. I'm eating a BBQ plate from one of THE BEST places here in Charlotte. I'm gonna enjoy this grub. Afterwards, if I feel like it, I'll review your other two replies and we'll go from there. If not, it'll be tomorrow. Maybe.
In closing, it's all good. Get back widcha later, or maybe in the morning sometime. I gotta feeling you and I aren't all that far apart in our feelings/opinions.
Until later, later.
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