Thank you for asking the question Kornblut....

[uscjunkie36]

people are arguing 2 different things and will never find common ground. forget about warrants and number of shots etc etc. everyone agrees that jacob blake was at a fault to some degree.

real question is about excessive force. is there no other way to subdue a man nowadays without Death, i.e. tackling him, shooting him in the forearm, or inventing some sort of device which tranquilizes these individuals in such a way that precludes death. thats the question.

Dude he already got away from them after he was placed on the ground. He walked right through a taser like it was nothing. What the hell else do you want them to do? By the way ask the cops in Atlanta that tackled that asshole and had their taser stolen and used against them how that worked out!

 

[sclawman77]

Dude he already got away from them after he was placed on the ground. He walked right through a taser like it was nothing. What the hell else do you want them to do? By the way ask the cops in Atlanta that tackled that asshole and had their taser stolen and used against them how that worked out!

The Atlanta cops in that incident will all be exonerated. That was a justifiable homicide. Stole a police weapon and pointed at them.

 

[Gaimcock]

Here's my issue with cops using deadly force. Police have to be in an immediate threat of danger to use deadly force. If a cop has his gun drawn and a criminal is say five or ten feet more away with a knife in his hand that is not an immediate threat. There is still time to de-escalate the situation. Now if he charges at the officer he becomes an immediate threat and deadly force would be acceptable in my opinion. I think the same thing applies with a gun although the distance of an immediate threat would be different obviously because a gun can be deadly from a longer distance. But say someone has gun in his waistband. At that moment it's not an immediate threat but the second he reaches for it i believe it now becomes an immediate threat. But say cops arrive at a scene with a subject who has a weapon in his hand but its not directly aimed at someone. I still don't consider that an immediate threat. Now the second he moves that gun up like he's getting ready to aim and shoot, deadly force is certainly warranted. Of course the type of weapon matters too. If a suspect 8s holding a pistol by his side but its aimed toward the ground its not an immediate threat but if it's an AR-15 where the muzzle is aimed at an angle between the ground and perpendicular to the ground that's a more complicated determination of immediate threat. Now in the instance with the guy getting into his car, even if he says he's getting a weapon, he's not an immediate threat until the cops see a weapon in his hand and he makes a threatening move such as raising the gun to aim and fire.

ZACKLY!!!!! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!
THANK YOU!!!

IF ANYONE within this thread simply misses, or just flat refuses to realize and/or admit the basic logic within the overall point of crafty30's post herein, then we are simply on opposite sides, and NO, I will never "slide" y'all's way!!

Final point here: YES Jacob Floyd should have immediately dropped the knife and put his hands over his head and gotten down on his knees!! To that I concur 100%!!!

Now did he deserve to be SHOT IN THE BACK 7 TIMES, and did his 3 kids deserve to have that gun fired so close within their proximity as-well-as in their general direction??? H_LL F'n NO, and therein lies my problem/disagreement with the cop that pointed and fired his gun, in addition to any and everyone within this thread (as-well-as out in the entire remainder of the real world) that back/support/concer with the cop in reference as being correct and doing the right thing!!!

Bottom line here is the cop simply erred BIG TIME and went too far in firing that gun!! Point blank, end of story!!

In closing, looks like we'll see what we'll as this case progress in court over the next couple years!! It's good thing the Milwaukee Police Department in question have insurance for such cotastrophies; if they by chance do not have such, then all I can tell you is that it's most likely that bankruptcy is about to invade Milwaukee!!!

With that, my participation within this thread is now at it's end!!

A cada uno lo suyo. Nuestros lados son elegidos. Veremos lo que veremos, por lo tanto, ¡¡los veré a todos más tarde!! ¡¡¡Adios Amigos!!!

 

[Horseshoe 04]

I’m sad

can we get some of those ropes likeWonder Woman uses ?

 

[kidrobinski]

Here's my issue with cops using deadly force. Police have to be in an immediate threat of danger to use deadly force. If a cop has his gun drawn and a criminal is say five or ten feet more away with a knife in his hand that is not an immediate threat. There is still time to de-escalate the situation. Now if he charges at the officer he becomes an immediate threat and deadly force would be acceptable in my opinion. I think the same thing applies with a gun although the distance of an immediate threat would be different obviously because a gun can be deadly from a longer distance. But say someone has gun in his waistband. At that moment it's not an immediate threat but the second he reaches for it i believe it now becomes an immediate threat. But say cops arrive at a scene with a subject who has a weapon in his hand but its not directly aimed at someone. I still don't consider that an immediate threat. Now the second he moves that gun up like he's getting ready to aim and shoot, deadly force is certainly warranted. Of course the type of weapon matters too. If a suspect 8s holding a pistol by his side but its aimed toward the ground its not an immediate threat but if it's an AR-15 where the muzzle is aimed at an angle between the ground and perpendicular to the ground that's a more complicated determination of immediate threat. Now in the instance with the guy getting into his car, even if he says he's getting a weapon, he's not an immediate threat until the cops see a weapon in his hand and he makes a threatening move such as raising the gun to aim and fire.

There are many widows, widowers, and fatherless/motherless children whose law enforcement husband/wife/father/mother didn’t think they were in “immediate danger”. COMPLY with commands. It’s really that simple. Law enforcement is not a motel clerk or a school teacher.

 

[keydet#]

Lookup the name Kyle Dinkheller - the shooting is a training video to warn cops when suspects reach back into the car. This is why cops ask you to remain in your vehicle - you cannot blame cops for being trigger happy. More and more cops are getting killed everyday. They told this particular guy in MN to stop multiple times, they tased him multiple times to stop (and he did not go down) and he continues to his car and starts reaching into his car. I have always taught my kids to obey what a cop says and do not give them lip. We all need a healthy respect of law enforcement or things will devolve into anarchy. George Floyd disobeyed a cop's order multiple time, clearly higher than a kite and he is dead. This guy in Wisconsin disobeyed cops' order multiple times, refused to stop and then reached into a car which is the trigger signal for a cop. So if he did not have a gun in the car, he was essentially a DUI/gun getting ready to drive away from a domestic violence call and what would you say if this idiot ran over or into your own child. What all of these NBA types, coaches, etc. need to be promoting is obeying law enforcement and you could end up dead like the aforementioned individuals. If you had a kid in law enforcement and they hesitated and wanted to be nice and they were shot and killed or run over and left a family and kids, What would be your thoughts? These cops are on the thread of life and death and they make decisions in a split second because they do not want to end up dead like Kyle Dinkheller.

 

[Boomneedstogo]

So, in your opinion, even despite the location and proximity of his 3 kids, Jacob Blake deserved to be shot in the back, not once but 7 times, and Barney, the down-to-earth, innocent old fella and policeman did the right thing and deserves a promotion???

Talk about a "bad seed" now will ya!!

Tell me this: what if those 3 kids were your grandchildren or your nephews/nieces?? If such were the case, would you still be of the same opinion???

One more chance to sprout here now!! All BS aside, what say you??

Yes I would still have the same opinion. I don’t see how the kids in the back seat have any bearing on this situation. The fact that you keep bringing this up is dumb. Put yourself in the cops shoes, who has a family. His #1 job is to come home safe every day. Just like a firefighters #1 job is self preservation. As a volunteer firefighter, if I roll up to your house and your family is inside, but the house is to engulfed to safely go in, we are not. That’s bad to say but It’s what we are taught. We are taught to do everything we can while not being killed. Cops are no different. You are asking a lot of a human brain to think about all those things in that situation. The cop saw a guy resisting arrest and reaching for something in his car. The part that pisses me off to no end is the media and leftist don’t even say this could have been avoided by not resisting arrest. It is literally that simple. Don’t resist arrest. In that situation he COULD HAVE grabbed a gun and shot the officer BEFORE the officer was able to identify the weapon. I don’t give a damn what anyone says that shooting was just, PERIOD. What should be taught in this situation is not the cop was wrong. It should be taught that you simply respect authority and don’t resist arrest.

 

[titaniumspur]

Some of you need to watch actual police videos instead of watching tv. When a perp is drugged up, they can be almost impossible to stop. These controversial situations rarely show how the perp has been fighting the police for an extended period of time. All of the officers may have been fatigued or injured at some point. Fifty Cent was shot 5 times and drove himself to the hospital.

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

I blame twitter, facebook and other social media when you don't get the rest of the story... You only get a small snippet of what you're seeing and not the whole story from beginning to the end.... We are a nations of nitwits and uneducated of college educated people and have to be the first to post a snippets without any details....

 

[Goose cock]

This is the guy that has over 1,000,000 in a GoFundMe. What a time to be alive.

He is a good boy. He didn’t do nuffin

 

[Tmac069]

Jacob Blake. Phil said more evidence is coming out. Muschamp said he saw the video and the cop was wrong.

But obviously if muschamp says anything else he’d be canceled.

He’s going to have to watch the tape!

 

[jeff2001]

Here's my issue with cops using deadly force. Police have to be in an immediate threat of danger to use deadly force. If a cop has his gun drawn and a criminal is say five or ten feet more away with a knife in his hand that is not an immediate threat. There is still time to de-escalate the situation. Now if he charges at the officer he becomes an immediate threat and deadly force would be acceptable in my opinion. I think the same thing applies with a gun although the distance of an immediate threat would be different obviously because a gun can be deadly from a longer distance. But say someone has gun in his waistband. At that moment it's not an immediate threat but the second he reaches for it i believe it now becomes an immediate threat. But say cops arrive at a scene with a subject who has a weapon in his hand but its not directly aimed at someone. I still don't consider that an immediate threat. Now the second he moves that gun up like he's getting ready to aim and shoot, deadly force is certainly warranted. Of course the type of weapon matters too. If a suspect 8s holding a pistol by his side but its aimed toward the ground its not an immediate threat but if it's an AR-15 where the muzzle is aimed at an angle between the ground and perpendicular to the ground that's a more complicated determination of immediate threat. Now in the instance with the guy getting into his car, even if he says he's getting a weapon, he's not an immediate threat until the cops see a weapon in his hand and he makes a threatening move such as raising the gun to aim and fire.

"That's not an immediate threat "....lol dude. Ok, what exactly do you do with him? Sir will you pretty pretty please with sugar on top put down the knife.....
Does the cop try to tackle him or just leave him alone....lol

 

[Tmac069]

Why no coverage on this!!
https://knewz.com/woman-stepfather-shot-killed/

 

[Six Million Dollar Man]

Yep, you saw that INSPITE OF THERE BEING 3 CHILDREN INSIDE THE SUV, the cop decided it was safer to shoot Jacob Blake 7 TIMES IN THE BACK, despite the fact that his (i.e. Jacob Blake's) 3 KIDS were merely a few feet from the target (i.e. Jacob Blake's spine).

So tell us, should the cop be held "accountable" for deciding to take those 7 shots despite the fact that 3 juveniles were only a few feet from his targets spine, or is it all Jacob's fault??

Further, had Jacob Blake known that the shooter cop was/is so gung-ho INSPITE of the necessary common since required as a responsibility of his position that the safety of the 3 juveniles in question were of no concern to him in the slightest (i.e. Barney Fife), would you opine that Mr. Blake would have even walked towards his 3 kids who were inside his SUV because he's just an old unaccountable hard core criminal??? Hail, no doubt that there's a concern in regards to a common sense issue, however the question is who's a fault for such in this case: Barney "shoot to kill" fife, or his target that he decided to fire his weapon at SEVEN TIMES in his back despite the 3 kids sitting in the car right where his gun was pointed????

Maybe the proximity of the kids was an issue since this scumbag has a violent background and was under arrest but not complying. Maybe he had a knife and was threatening to leave with the kids. We don't know yet.

I know that if I didn't follow a cop's instructions I would expect some dire consequences, maybe even get shot. Yes, seven shots seems like overkill but then again we don't have all the facts. But our brilliant football coach is judge and jury.

He's not on the hot seat with just the media. Many if not most fans think he is a failed hire. This won't help his cause IMO. He has built very little "capital" but he will be fawned over by the MSM. Won't matter because this is his last chance.

 

[redrogers]

Yep, you saw that INSPITE OF THERE BEING 3 CHILDREN INSIDE THE SUV, the cop decided it was safer to shoot Jacob Blake 7 TIMES IN THE BACK, despite the fact that his (i.e. Jacob Blake's) 3 KIDS were merely a few feet from the target (i.e. Jacob Blake's spine).

So tell us, should the cop be held "accountable" for deciding to take those 7 shots despite the fact that 3 juveniles were only a few feet from his targets spine, or is it all Jacob's fault??

Further, had Jacob Blake known that the shooter cop was/is so gung-ho INSPITE of the necessary common since required as a responsibility of his position that the safety of the 3 juveniles in question were of no concern to him in the slightest (i.e. Barney Fife), would you opine that Mr. Blake would have even walked towards his 3 kids who were inside his SUV because he's just an old unaccountable hard core criminal??? Hail, no doubt that there's a concern in regards to a common sense issue, however the question is who's a fault for such in this case: Barney "shoot to kill" fife, or his target that he decided to fire his weapon at SEVEN TIMES in his back despite the 3 kids sitting in the car right where his gun was pointed????

This one’s easy. Jacob took it upon himself to endanger his children. He made some bad decisions prior to getting in his SUV. He put children in a car with a felon and the moment that key turned, it was on HIM.

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

Why no coverage on this!!
https://knewz.com/woman-stepfather-shot-killed/

Saw that on Foxnews on Thursday or Friday and it happened on Monday.. Strange story and happened in their driveway.... It's just a fender bender accident... Nothing to see here......

 

[Snake006]

I don’t care what color you are, if you aggressively disobey a officer of the Law YOU are at risk that it could end very badly for you. Why has this been so overlooked?

 

[gamecock1999]

Here's my issue with cops using deadly force. Police have to be in an immediate threat of danger to use deadly force. If a cop has his gun drawn and a criminal is say five or ten feet more away with a knife in his hand that is not an immediate threat. There is still time to de-escalate the situation. Now if he charges at the officer he becomes an immediate threat and deadly force would be acceptable in my opinion. I think the same thing applies with a gun although the distance of an immediate threat would be different obviously because a gun can be deadly from a longer distance. But say someone has gun in his waistband. At that moment it's not an immediate threat but the second he reaches for it i believe it now becomes an immediate threat. But say cops arrive at a scene with a subject who has a weapon in his hand but its not directly aimed at someone. I still don't consider that an immediate threat. Now the second he moves that gun up like he's getting ready to aim and shoot, deadly force is certainly warranted. Of course the type of weapon matters too. If a suspect 8s holding a pistol by his side but its aimed toward the ground its not an immediate threat but if it's an AR-15 where the muzzle is aimed at an angle between the ground and perpendicular to the ground that's a more complicated determination of immediate threat. Now in the instance with the guy getting into his car, even if he says he's getting a weapon, he's not an immediate threat until the cops see a weapon in his hand and he makes a threatening move such as raising the gun to aim and fire.

We ask police to literally put their lives on the line to protect us. Now you want them to have 100% accurate shooting skills like Robocop just so a disobedient perp can have just a little more time to change their mind after already willfully escalating the situation to a life or death situation? Sorry, but the good guys deserve every right to go home to their families. Every time. Regardless of race, as if that even needs to be said.

If the SJW can do better, they ought to form a unit and go to south Chicago and show the world what we seem to be missing. Or maybe move to one of these socialist countries that they seem to be enamored with and see how deferential their forces are when you don’t cooperate. People need to get a dang clue.

 

[Judson1]

So, in your opinion, even despite the location and proximity of his 3 kids, Jacob Blake deserved to be shot in the back, not once but 7 times, and Barney, the down-to-earth, innocent old fella and policeman did the right thing and deserves a promotion???



Talk about a "bad seed" now will ya!!

Tell me this: what if those 3 kids were your grandchildren or your nephews/nieces?? If such were the case, would you still be of the same opinion???

One more chance to sprout here now!! All BS aside, what say you??

And if one of the cops cold cocks him and knocked him out the outrage would still be there. “How dare the cops beat on that guy”.
To some the only option the police should have is to give up and walk away if a person is uncooperative.

 

[Lurker123]

Now you want them to have 100% accurate shooting skills like Robocop just so a disobedient perp can have just a little more time to change their mind after already willfully escalating the situation to a life or death situation?

I laughed at first, but I think this may be more on point than a lot of things being thrown out.

Cops are people, they dont shoot flies off soda cans during firearm practice.

 

[bucketdad]

Why don’t some of you law enforcement experts put on a uniform and show these guys how to do it? Maybe you guys with the “just tackle the guy, shoot him once or twice instead of seven times, give him a hug, just talk to him” advice can revolutionize how law enforcement does their job. Also, remember wait until the suspect goes in the car and finishes what he’s doing before you react. Don’t want to make any snap decisions, right? If he turns around and shoots and kills you it’s ok. I’m sure your family will be fine. Or, the kids in the back seat of the car (just like this incident) he just went into won’t mind getting their brains blown out because you waited on the perp to do his thing. So, many decisions, so little time.

Muschamp included. Ironic that he would think he's knowledgeable enough to know how cops should handle tense situations when I have never seen him handle tense situations well.

 

[USC2USC]

Honestly does it matter where the police shoot a criminal who is not following their directions? He was reaching into the car, they have to assume he was going for a weapon, he was not following their commands, they can legally shoot him in a case like this.

Yet, the white guy with a military assault weapon walks right by police after they know someone has been shot and they offer him a water.

 

[Gaimcock]

Yet, the white guy with a military assault weapon walks right by police after they know someone has been shot and they offer him a water.

Similar to this incongruous occurrance wouldn't ya say...

What We Know About the Shooting Death of Ahmaud Arbery

Mr. Arbery, a 25-year-old Black man, was chased by white residents of a South Georgia neighborhood. They were convicted of murder and federal hate crimes.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Blackland]

Yet, the white guy with a military assault weapon walks right by police after they know someone has been shot and they offer him a water.

I can show you pictures of hundreds of well armed black protesters walking by police in Stone Mountain Park, GA and the same group in Louisville. People have a right to carry weapons in this country regardless of their race. There is nothing for the police to do about it.

 

[USC2USC]

I can show you pictures of hundreds of well armed black protesters walking by police in Stone Mountain Park, GA and the same group in Louisville. People have a right to carry weapons in this country regardless of their race. There is nothing for the police to do about it.

This dude was clearly underage and was carrying a military assault rifle in an area where they knew someone had already been shot.

Now go ahead and show me. Just make sure its a similar situation.

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

Finally, someone in the media had the guts to ask the obvious question.

These posts without context are the most annoying of posts. Say what you men, make it clear, don ‘t assume others are living in your head and own you opinion like a man. Cryptic reference to obscure events are a wate of everyone’s time.

 

[Lurker123]

This dude was clearly underage and was carrying a military assault rifle in an area where they knew someone had already been shot.

Now go ahead and show me. Just make sure its a similar situation.

He was clearly underage?

And the video I saw of his group had black and white members walking around armed.

 

[The Defender]

That seems like justification for the 7 shots in the back. I’m sure that was the proper response now.

you are part of the problem

 

[hunterdog]

I saw a man shot 7 times in the back......

Yea DA after he fought with police and was apparently going after a weapon. There are justifiable shootings! Do cops make mistakes? Sure they do. White guys are more apt to be shot by cops than black guys. If a black officer shot a white guy 9 times in this situation I would have said good job! But I’m on the side of right not color.

 

[gamecox4982]

		Yep, you saw that INSPITE OF THERE BEING 3 CHILDREN INSIDE THE SUV, the cop decided it was safer to shoot Jacob Blake 7 TIMES IN THE BACK, despite the fact that his (i.e. Jacob Blake's) 3 KIDS were merely a few feet from the target (i.e. Jacob Blake's spine). So tell us, should the cop be held "accountable" for deciding to take those 7 shots despite the fact that 3 juveniles were only a few feet from his targets spine, or is it all Jacob's fault?? Further, had Jacob Blake known that the shooter cop was/is so gung-ho INSPITE of the necessary common since required as a responsibility of his position that the safety of the 3 juveniles in question were of no concern to him in the slightest (i.e. Barney Fife), would you opine that Mr. Blake would have even walked towards his 3 kids who were inside his SUV because he's just an old unaccountable hard core criminal??? Hail, no doubt that there's a concern in regards to a common sense issue, however the question is who's a fault for such in this case: Barney "shoot to kill" fife, or his target that he decided to fire his weapon at SEVEN TIMES in his back despite the 3 kids sitting in the car right where his gun was pointed???? Do you think cops are driving around during the day sayin, “who can we kill today?” If you do then you are a lost soul. I have a suggestion, go ride around with a cop working the late shift. You can do that in most places throughout the country. Then, maybe you may look at it in a different light. Until you report back on your ride along, I’m done with you.

 

[76gintcock]

I don’t know about any narrative. I saw a man shot 7 times in the back. What did you see?

Was the man reaching for a knife?

 

[jimnasium]

Dude he already got away from them after he was placed on the ground. He walked right through a taser like it was nothing. What the hell else do you want them to do? By the way ask the cops in Atlanta that tackled that asshole and had their taser stolen and used against them how that worked out!

That's why the give cops guns it's used as a last resort. The guy in Atlanta was fighting probably he didn't want to call his wife at 3am after leaving his girlfriends house. It was his girlfriend that set the Wendys on fire.

 

[GCDC1959]

Suspect goes from being on the ground on one side of the car to the other the side of the car....what is standard police practice?

Three cops couldn't subdue and hand cuff the guy?

I admit that I'm not a cop or a suspect, but police training is NOT what it should be in this case.

Lastly, after all of that....seven shots in the back is excessive. That's s-e-v-e-n separate pulls of the trigger.

 

[BobbyFoosball]

I don’t know about any narrative. I saw a man shot 7 times in the back. What did you see?

That's all you saw? Really?

 

[GCDC1959]

That's all you saw? Really?

You do know that similar situations or worse are de-escalated by competently trained officers numerous times without seven shots. Give competent police some well earned credit.

 

[BobbyFoosball]

You do know that similar situations or worse are de-escalated by competently trained officers numerous times without seven shots. Give competent police some well earned credit.

No two situation are the same. They had the right to judge whether or not they considered their lives in dangers, and they had every right to respond the way they did.

 

[BobbyFoosball]

For all the people that haven't really figured out what this is all about, I'll fill you in.

The left hates white males so much now that they are demonized and blamed for everything. They have pushed this narrative so far in America now that the media and the Dems are actively promoting racism against white males. They look at a white male, and he is by default guilty because his actions are racist.

The facts and the evidence don't matter. This criminal could have pointed a gun straight at the cop, and the same assclowns would be here and the in media and on the basketball court claiming that there had to be another way. Somehow, it's the racist white male cop's fault that these criminals do the things they do. He was just out trying to kill black men.

I used to think there was a way to get to a more fair America. But I don't believe that is true anymore. It's not about taking part, it's about taking over. It's not about equality, it's about superiority. As usual, the left takes something that everyone thought was a good idea, and for political reasons, took it way off into left field and made it something it never should have been. They took the equality movement and turned it into the klan with a tan.

 

[BobbyFoosball]

Black cops are just as likely to shoot black males as white cops. FACT.

Why do we NEVER hear about that?

And here's a left wing source so the usually suspects won't think it's just "fox news"

 

[crafty30]

"That's not an immediate threat "....lol dude. Ok, what exactly do you do with him? Sir will you pretty pretty please with sugar on top put down the knife.....
Does the cop try to tackle him or just leave him alone....lol

Once again, if you're a cop holding a gun and someone is five feet or more away holding a knife, clearly not within reach to hurt you, deadly force is warranted? Again, a guy holding a gun 10 feet or more away but making no move to raise the gun in an attempt to fire at you, deadly force is warranted? Again, if the guy charges at you with a knife or rsise a weapon deadly force is most certainly warranted. I find youre thinking that deadly force should be a first option is wrong. I'm not saying its an easy decision or that Police don't have a difficult job but police are also trained to de-escalate situations. I don't know exactly what they're taught but deadly force should be a LAST resort. I imagine if someone has a gun you find cover, aim your gun at the suspect and attempt to get the suspect to drop the weapon by negotiation. I just looked up rules of engagement for the military and our military is held to higher standards when it comes to dealing with enemies in times of war than our own Police are when it comes to dealing with our own citizens.

 

[crafty30]

The problem is that a subject forcibly resisting arrest on an open felony charge apparently had a lethal weapon (a knife) either in his hand or was reaching for same after repeatedly being told not to. He had already been tased twice, without effect. I don’t know about that department’s lethal force policy, but in most places, the lethal force line would have ben crossed, making this a justified shooting. We have an independent agency (Wisconsin DOJ, roughly the equivalent of SLED) investigating. The sensible thing is not to rush to conclude anything until that investigation is complete, and we have all the relevant facts! Until then, everyone (both sides) is just speculating, based on incomplete information.

I understand completely what you're saying but answer me this. If he did have a knife, unless he is within reach to hurt you or is charging at you with the knife, how is the cops life in imminent danger? It just seems to me that in a lot of these instances officers aren't exhausting all options before deciding to use deadly force.