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That’s flipping insane right there. If I live another 100 years I will never understand the mind of a liberal.

Same here my friend. On a different subject, don't you live in Greenville, SC? I was born and raised in Greenville. I lived in several different areas of Greenville but the section of Greenville I call home was where we lived on Manning St. which is just off of Perry Ave in the West Greenville section. We lived there from the time I was in the 3rd grade until one year after high school.
 
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That’s flipping insane right there. If I live another 100 years I will never understand the mind of a liberal.


I'll give you some insight as to why I vote Liberal (overall)...

-I believe people should be able to marry who they want
-I believe people (women) should get the right to choose what they do to their bodies
-I believe that people should have access to healthcare

In my view, this is called basic human decency. Live and let live. You can provide examples like you did above all day as to why democrats are evil, and I'm sure I could find similar misgivings by republicans. But overall, Democrats are more willing to just let people be and live their lives and offer people the opportunity to live their best life.
 
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I'll give you some insight as to why I vote Liberal (overall)...

-I believe people should be able to marry who they want
-I believe people (women) should get the right to choose what they do to their bodies
-I believe that people should have access to healthcare

In my view, this is called basic human decency. Live and let live. You can provide examples like you did above all day as to why democrats are evil, and I'm sure I could find similar misgivings by republicans. But overall, Democrats are more willing to just let people be and live their lives and offer people the opportunity to live their best life.

Good and thoughtful reply...thanks for that.

Please don't take this as a personal attack. But your first two points deny the existence of God and the directives that he's given to us in His Word. That is a very dangerous position to take.

A belief in God ultimately rests on faith that He exists, and that He inspired the authors of Scripture to write what they did. A belief that God does not exist also necessitates a level of faith since none of us were here on day one.

The belief that God does not exist requires more faith than a belief that He does, IMO. It's hard to reconcile the idea that an intricate universe came from nothing. Nothing cannot turn into something.

Third point...every American has access to high quality health care. If you think it should be 'free', shouldn't food, shelter and clothing be 'free' as well? Those are just as essential, correct?

The unfortunate reality of 'free' stuff is that each provision from the government brings with it a loss of freedom. When someone else is buying, you have less ability to determine what is best for you. Your freedom to make decisions dies on the vine.
 
Good and thoughtful reply...thanks for that.

Please don't take this as a personal attack. But your first two points deny the existence of God and the directives that he's given to us in His Word. That is a very dangerous position to take.

A belief in God ultimately rests on faith that He exists, and that He inspired the authors of Scripture to write what they did. A belief that God does not exist also necessitates a level of faith since none of us were here on day one.

The belief that God does not exist requires more faith than a belief that He does, IMO. It's hard to reconcile the idea that an intricate universe came from nothing. Nothing cannot turn into something.

Third point...every American has access to high quality health care. If you think it should be 'free', shouldn't food, shelter and clothing be 'free' as well? Those are just as essential, correct?

The unfortunate reality of 'free' stuff is that each provision from the government brings with it a loss of freedom. When someone else is buying, you have less ability to determine what is best for you. Your freedom to make decisions dies on the vine.


I am a Christian actually. But we do have separation of Church and State for a reason. Governments are designed to be impartial (which is borderline impossible, I know) to religious bias when making decisions so I try to do the same. Call me a bad Christian if you choose.

As for free food, millions of Americans receive food stamps already. There are also tons of abandoned vacant buildings that I would like to see turned in to shelters to help alleviate the homeless problems. But as with most internet discussions (or arguments) I don't expect to change your mind and I doubt you'll change mine. I just want people to have a better understand as to why people feel and vote how they do. It all comes down to individual life experiences which by nature we can't share.

If you are curious as to how a modern Christian can have more progressive beliefs I recommend the podcast Homebrewed Christianity. Tripp Fuller (Ph.D in Philosophy, Religion, and Theology and professing Christian and Pastor) does a great job articulating his points in ways I never could.

https://trippfuller.com/
 
I'll give you some insight as to why I vote Liberal (overall)...

-I believe people should be able to marry who they want
-I believe people (women) should get the right to choose what they do to their bodies
-I believe that people should have access to healthcare

In my view, this is called basic human decency. Live and let live. You can provide examples like you did above all day as to why democrats are evil, and I'm sure I could find similar misgivings by republicans. But overall, Democrats are more willing to just let people be and live their lives and offer people the opportunity to live their best life.

The reason I can never vote left again, although I have in the past back when there were conservative Democrats, I cannot and will not vote for anyone who thinks it is okay to use abortion as a means of birth control. I do not believe it is okay to kill an innocent unborn baby and think no more about it that swatting a fly. That's what they do in Communist China with people in general.
 
I'll give you some insight as to why I vote Liberal (overall)...

-I believe people should be able to marry who they want
-I believe people (women) should get the right to choose what they do to their bodies
-I believe that people should have access to healthcare

In my view, this is called basic human decency. Live and let live. You can provide examples like you did above all day as to why democrats are evil, and I'm sure I could find similar misgivings by republicans. But overall, Democrats are more willing to just let people be and live their lives and offer people the opportunity to live their best life.
Social issues and political correctness that liberals worship dont interest me. Liberals get so wrapped up in it that they want everyone using the same bathroom if they feel like it. Liberalism is also a reliance on government-and it's getting worse and worse today. They pretend to stick up for the poor but they want to keep them that way and get their votes. Look at all the urban areas ridden with crime and out of money-Democrat strongholds. The same goes with illegals. Dems cater to them because they want votes and control.
 
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Social issues and political correctness that liberals worship dont interest me. Liberals get so wrapped up in it that they want everyone using the same bathroom if they feel like it. Liberalism is also a reliance on government-and it's getting worse and worse today.

Serious question and I hope it doesn't come off as rude as I don't intend it to...If it doesn't interest you then why comment on the post. You can see that I am being nothing but thoughtful and respectful in my comments and trying to give insight as to why I vote how I do.
 
Good and thoughtful reply...thanks for that.

Please don't take this as a personal attack. But your first two points deny the existence of God and the directives that he's given to us in His Word. That is a very dangerous position to take.

A belief in God ultimately rests on faith that He exists, and that He inspired the authors of Scripture to write what they did. A belief that God does not exist also necessitates a level of faith since none of us were here on day one.

The belief that God does not exist requires more faith than a belief that He does, IMO. It's hard to reconcile the idea that an intricate universe came from nothing. Nothing cannot turn into something.

Third point...every American has access to high quality health care. If you think it should be 'free', shouldn't food, shelter and clothing be 'free' as well? Those are just as essential, correct?

The unfortunate reality of 'free' stuff is that each provision from the government brings with it a loss of freedom. When someone else is buying, you have less ability to determine what is best for you. Your freedom to make decisions dies on the vine.

To your point about the universe, if one goes back as far as one can go relative to how the universe was created to the very basic building block; one has to ask themselves where did the very first molecule come from- how was it created. That's what gets most non-believers every time.
 
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The "free stuff" rhetoric sure has convinced people that that is the reason our country is in debt. Nobody mentions social security or the size of our military or the stupid neverending wars. We have bailouts and corporate tax cuts that could add to the tax base as well. Also, our cities are planned poorly making them bankrupt.

Do some people expect the government to finance their lifestyle? Sure. But that is a stupid talking point created to make people think the "other side" is lazy.

Acknowledging that healthcare is too expensive, there should be certain safety nets for families, and there should be an attempt to make opportunity available to everyone does not seem unreasonable.

You know what taxes do pay for? Sometimes great things. Most left-leaning people I know do not expect anything to be free. However, "freedom" has not worked for all people. I don't think there is another country in the world that provides a better opportunity to be successful. Innovative, motivated, creative people can hit it big. But there has never been a greater gap between the rich and the poor in this country, and it's not because people are lazy. If advocating for "quality of life" makes me a socialist, then whatever. No offense, but the "freedom" states don't do much well for the general population.
 
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The "free stuff" rhetoric sure has convinced people that that is the reason our country is in debt. Nobody mentions social security or the size of our military or the stupid neverending wars.

Do some people expect the government to finance their lifestyle? Sure. But that is a stupid talking point created to make people think the other "side" is lazy.

Acknowledging that healthcare is too expensive, there should be certain safety nets for families, and there should be an attempt to make opportunity available to everyone does not seem unreasonable.

You know what taxes do pay for? Sometimes great things.

Very well thought out and articulated. Good post.
 
I saw a video the other day of an interview with a guy at a political rally. He said he was tired of supporting other people's lifestyles. They asked what he did for a living. He was on disability.

That was an extreme example, but politicians have done an excellent job making people think the reason there is less money in their pocket is because taxes are being used to pay for "welfare queens". There is also a racial component to this which is just not accurate, but it is, without question, a huge motivation for people's voting preferences.
 
I'll give you some insight as to why I vote Liberal (overall)...

-I believe people should be able to marry who they want
-I believe people (women) should get the right to choose what they do to their bodies
-I believe that people should have access to healthcare

In my view, this is called basic human decency. Live and let live. You can provide examples like you did above all day as to why democrats are evil, and I'm sure I could find similar misgivings by republicans. But overall, Democrats are more willing to just let people be and live their lives and offer people the opportunity to live their best life.


Everybody has access to healthcare. You just have to pay for it. I shouldn’t pay for yours. Same sex marriage is legal in some states. Go there and marry that dyke or twink if you like.

on abortion, do it-I don’t care. Just don’t kill a kid after it is born or late term abortions. If you are so fat and do not realize you are pregnant. Go on a diet for the love of humanity.

I don’t disagree with those views, I vote conservative because I am a earner & do not want to pay for everybody or anybody else bit my family.

My two cents. Again, if you a dong up your dookieshoot, go for it. Just don’t make my kids listen to tranny story time at school. Also, kids transitioning before puberty is strait lunacy. They are old enough to consent.

I doubt Chaz Bono would transition again if she knew she would look like Ralphie May the comedian.
 
Social issues and political correctness that liberals worship dont interest me. Liberals get so wrapped up in it that they want everyone using the same bathroom if they feel like it. Liberalism is also a reliance on government-and it's getting worse and worse today. They pretend to stick up for the poor but they want to keep them that way and get their votes. Look at all the urban areas ridden with crime and out of money-Democrat strongholds. The same goes with illegals. Dems cater to them because they want votes and control.

A note on 'liberalism being a reliance on government -- and it's getting worse and worse today."

Respectfully,I'd suggest it's not only liberals who 'rely' on government. I know many a Republican - all professed conservatives and self-made successes, mind you -- who for years have relied on government at some level to fund the lion's share/or all of projects that directly or indirectly benefit them.

Recent government bailouts have bailed out more Republicans than Dems over the years, I suspect -- and I say that as neither a Democrat or Republican. I'm pretty much tired of both parties.
 
The "free stuff" rhetoric sure has convinced people that that is the reason our country is in debt. Nobody mentions social security or the size of our military or the stupid neverending wars. We have bailouts and corporate tax cuts that could add to the tax base as well. Also, our cities are planned poorly making them bankrupt.

Do some people expect the government to finance their lifestyle? Sure. But that is a stupid talking point created to make people think the "other side" is lazy.

Acknowledging that healthcare is too expensive, there should be certain safety nets for families, and there should be an attempt to make opportunity available to everyone does not seem unreasonable.

You know what taxes do pay for? Sometimes great things. Most left-leaning people I know do not expect anything to be free. However, "freedom" has not worked for all people. I don't think there is another country in the world that provides a better opportunity to be successful. Innovative, motivated, creative people can hit it big. But there has never been a greater gap between the rich and the poor in this country, and it's not because people are lazy. If advocating for "quality of life" makes me a socialist, then whatever. No offense, but the "freedom" states don't do much well for the general population.

Well put.
 
Same here my friend. On a different subject, don't you live in Greenville, SC? I was born and raised in Greenville. I lived in several different areas of Greenville but the section of Greenville I call home was where we lived on Manning St. which is just off of Perry Ave in the West Greenville section. We lived there from the time I was in the 3rd grade until one year after high school.
When I was born we lived in West Greenville. We moved when I was 3 because our house burned down, So we moved to Hudson Street and we stayed there until I turned 6.. After that we moved to the Judson area, basically we followed our relatives back then. Wherever my Fathers brothers and sisters went; “We followed. And you know how big families were back then. When I turned 8 my mom decided we wasn’t gonna live around my dad’s side of the family anymore, So she moved us to the WoodField-Belle Meade area. I lived on Deerfield Road from 74-82.. I loved it there, but my mom decided I should go to High School In Simpsonville so we moved again! Lol.
 
I'll give you some insight as to why I vote Liberal (overall)...

-I believe people should be able to marry who they want
-I believe people (women) should get the right to choose what they do to their bodies
-I believe that people should have access to healthcare

In my view, this is called basic human decency. Live and let live. You can provide examples like you did above all day as to why democrats are evil, and I'm sure I could find similar misgivings by republicans. But overall, Democrats are more willing to just let people be and live their lives and offer people the opportunity to live their best life.

Respectfully, in the spirit of friendly conversation...
Theft of the fruits of one's labor to give services or goods to another is still theft. You work to better your own station in life and it's taken from you and given to people who didn't lift a finger. If it actually helped them rise above poverty level, that might change my mind. But most of that money is wasted through the bureaucracy that is supposed to help the poor. Then the poor get just enough to stay poor. And they pass that poverty down to their children and so on. So, from the conservative perspective, enforced charity doesn't seem like such a good deal for the poor since, in large part, they never rise above it. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Most of the people who are fine with my paycheck being garnished to help the poor would not stand idly by while
a poor person stole their own cash or property for the purpose of getting the daily necessities. If they want to give to the poor or pay more taxes, there is nothing stopping them.

Only gainful employment can break the poverty cycle. No one gets rich on the dole. So I ask myself "What is the goal of socialism?" IDK, but after 50 or so years of it creeping into our lives, the result is continued poverty. That's why I tend to vote more conservative.
 
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I am a Christian actually. But we do have separation of Church and State for a reason. Governments are designed to be impartial (which is borderline impossible, I know) to religious bias when making decisions so I try to do the same. Call me a bad Christian if you choose.

As for free food, millions of Americans receive food stamps already. There are also tons of abandoned vacant buildings that I would like to see turned in to shelters to help alleviate the homeless problems. But as with most internet discussions (or arguments) I don't expect to change your mind and I doubt you'll change mine. I just want people to have a better understand as to why people feel and vote how they do. It all comes down to individual life experiences which by nature we can't share.

If you are curious as to how a modern Christian can have more progressive beliefs I recommend the podcast Homebrewed Christianity. Tripp Fuller (Ph.D in Philosophy, Religion, and Theology and professing Christian and Pastor) does a great job articulating his points in ways I never could.

https://trippfuller.com/


I am also a Christian. I teach Sunday School to middle schoolers.

I am against abortion, but I’m also against the government being involved in the choice between a woman and her doctor. That said, I am not for late stage abortions (which are extremely rare) except in rare cases (life and health of mother).

one thing I have come to be convinced of: we will always have abortion. We always have had abortion. Women of means will simply be able to pay for what they want, poor women won’t. That doesn’t mean poor women won’t have an abortion, they’ll just have the most unsafe ones. If making things illegal stopped them from occurring, we’d have solved a lot of issues.

I’m also convinced abortion never will be illegal. It will be harder in some states, but as stated before, that will just make it harder and more dangerous for poor women. Women of means will be able to travel as necessary for the abortion. It may take a few more days, but it obviously won’t stop it.

As a Christian, If asked, I would always counsel the woman to avoid abortion. I’d pray, plead, help, beg, and forgive. But I wouldn’t make it illegal.
 
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When I was born we lived in West Greenville. We moved when I was 3 because our house burned down, So we moved to Hudson Street and we stayed there until I turned 6.. After that we moved to the Judson area, basically we followed our relatives back then. Wherever my Fathers brothers and sisters went; “We followed. And you know how big families were back then. When I turned 8 my mom decided we wasn’t gonna live around my dad’s side of the family anymore, So she moved us to the WoodField-Belle Meade area. I lived on Deerfield Road from 74-82.. I loved it there, but my mom decided I should go to High School In Simpsonville so we moved again! Lol.

I went all of first grade to Judson Elementary (has been torn down many years) we moved to Franklin, NC and I attended all of 2nd grade in Franklin. Then we moved back to Greenville and then that is when we lived on Manning St and I attended Brandon Elementary, LP Hollis Junior High and Parker HS.

Do you live in the Greenville area now?

BTW, my wife finished Hillcrest HS in 1969.
 
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Do some people expect the government to finance their lifestyle? Sure. But that is a stupid talking point created to make people think the "other side" is lazy..
I guess I need to move to your neighborhood. In my town there are complete neighborhoods of people who do not work, do not seek work, drink, deal and/or do drugs, steal, are in and out of prison and don't support their own children. It's like feeding wildlife. If the food (or rent) is free, why even try to get these things on your own? It doesn't take long for a man who won't work to get really sorry.
 
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I won't vote liberal because their ideas fall contrary to what I believe the role of government should be. My opinions are simply based on my experiences throughout life... and that trumps any opinion held by anyone in the history of the world as far as I'm concerned.
 
I guess I need to move to your neighborhood. In my town there are complete neighborhoods of people who do not work, do not seek work, drink, deal and/or do drugs, steal, are in and out of prison and don't support their own children. It's like feeding wildlife. If the food (or rent) is free, why even try to get these things on your own? It doesn't take long for a man who won't work to get really sorry.
You know this for a fact? Like I said, it happens, but I think this stuff gets traction is because people in line at the the grocery store buy prime rib with food stamps. Nobody is living well like this. I don't like it either, but taxes aren't high because of "welfare queens". I think it is a visible scapegoat and disingenuous.
 
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I won't vote liberal because their ideas fall contrary to what I believe the role of government should be. My opinions are simply based on my experiences throughout life... and that trumps any opinion held by anyone in the history of the world as far as I'm concerned.


I use to believe that until I realized the republican approach was no different and was all talk.
 
They should just execute him. Why should he be supported with room and board all these years?

The death penalty has been outlawed in Washington State. Even with killers like Gary Ridgeway, killer of 49 women. How in this God's world can someone not believe in the death penalty for those type of killers. Most of his victims were young women.
 
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You know this for a fact? Like I said, it happens, but I think this stuff gets traction is because people in line at the the grocery store buy prime rib with food stamps. Nobody is living well like this. I don't like it either, but taxes aren't high because of "welfare queens". I think it is a visible scapegoat and disingenuous.
Yes, it's a small town. My wife teaches here and we know many of the families. In many, there's no father. In some there's not even a mother. Aside from the percentage of taxes spent on social programs, rewarding bad behavior begets bad behavior. Everybody knows that.
 
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The death penalty has been outlawed in Washington State. Even with killers like Gary Ridgeway, killer of 49 women. How in this God's world can someone not believe in the death penalty for those type of killers. Most of his victims were young women.


Well, it’s more complicated than that.

Many times even the victim families don’t want the death penalty
 
Yes, it's a small town. My wife teaches here and we know many of the families. In many, there's no father. In some there's not even a mother. Aside from the percentage of taxes spent on social programs, rewarding bad behavior begets bad behavior. Everybody knows that.
I don't really disagree, but what do you suggest for people that do need welfare? Most people that receive welfare, get off of it. I wish it weren't abused, but it is absolutely necessary to an extent.
 
The death penalty has been outlawed in Washington State. Even with killers like Gary Ridgeway, killer of 49 women. How in this God's world can someone not believe in the death penalty for those type of killers. Most of his victims were young women.

Off the subject just a little, but in high school I actually sat in the electric chair in Columbia on a school trip in 1961. It was comfy until the Guide banged on the back of the chair and almost made me crap my pants
 
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I am a Christian actually. But we do have separation of Church and State for a reason. Governments are designed to be impartial (which is borderline impossible, I know) to religious bias when making decisions so I try to do the same. Call me a bad Christian if you choose.

As for free food, millions of Americans receive food stamps already. There are also tons of abandoned vacant buildings that I would like to see turned in to shelters to help alleviate the homeless problems. But as with most internet discussions (or arguments) I don't expect to change your mind and I doubt you'll change mine. I just want people to have a better understand as to why people feel and vote how they do. It all comes down to individual life experiences which by nature we can't share.

If you are curious as to how a modern Christian can have more progressive beliefs I recommend the podcast Homebrewed Christianity. Tripp Fuller (Ph.D in Philosophy, Religion, and Theology and professing Christian and Pastor) does a great job articulating his points in ways I never could.

https://trippfuller.com/

You are correct...we are not likely to change one another's minds. With that said, support of abortion rights and homosexuality/same sex marriage is the opposite of explicit Biblical teaching. Despite what a human named Tripp Fuller may teach, it is not possible for a Christian can support either issue. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit in all Christians does not permit it.

And a small side note, there is no delineation between a 'good' or 'bad' Christian. All humans are sinners. Christians have received God's grace and mercy purchased with the blood of Jesus. That eliminates any demarcation between good or bad Christians.
 
I don't really disagree, but what do you suggest for people that do need welfare? Most people that receive welfare, get off of it. I wish it weren't abused, but it is absolutely necessary to an extent.
I think private charities can be much more effective than gov bureaucracy. I would like the government to support real charities over their own enforced charities. But they would need to be policed to ensure the money gets where it's needed. Food banks are fantastic. Our church donates to a local org that is a food bank and offers help with utilities. Whenever someone contacts the church for help, they're directed to that charity. But there are some requirements. They don't just hand you money. For that same reason I won't just hand panhandlers cash. It used to be common for people to ask for cash as they strolled down the street toward their dealer. Cops finally cracked down on it. Even so, some people will take the food bank food and try to return it to a grocery store for cash. That's theft. I don't want to see hungry children. My wife has changed my thinking on the matter because she sees kids who only get good meals at school. She says there are some that love school because it's better than their home life and they get to see teachers and admin that love them. I don't feel like we love them if we condemn them to poverty.
 
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I went all of first grade to Judson Elementary (has been torn down many years) we moved to Franklin, NC and I attended all of 2nd grade in Franklin. Then we moved back to Greenville and then that is when we lived on Manning St and I attended Brandon Elementary, LP Hollis Junior High and Parker HS.

Do you live in the Greenville area now?

BTW, my wife finished Hillcrest HS in 1969.
Still in Greenville my friend and it’s nice to hear your wife is a Ram also!
 
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