Today on wccp.

[Pruittmatt44]

Today on my way to class I over heard Micky plyler (sp) say that he wouldnt comment on the women's basketball game tonight because he didn't know about it because he didn't follow it. People went on to bash him about not giving credit to the women's game; but what I thought was interesting was that someone texted in saying "it's funny how after a year the entire focus of a university is switched to womens basketball" my question or topic is, that is it not better that we have all these other sports we can enjoy, celebrate, and watch? Football, women's basketball, baseball, men's basketball with some improvements, compared to the only thing clemson fans seem to want to talk about which is their football team. Living just outside of clemson and talking to the people who live around here, they act like they ignore all other sports and try to knock our university because we support our women's team. I just think it's odd they try to bash us because we support all sports of our athletic department while (what seems to be the majority of clemson fans I know and talk to) they seem to only acknowledge the one.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[Bongsummers]

Clemson's men couldn't the lady GCs. And what other team consistently puts 16k in the seats? It speaks for itself.

 

[FORKCOCK]

They love to talk about "family" but only care about Football players.
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[hobcawcreekcock]

Amazing what winning and being ranked #1 can do for a sport!!! If CU's women had been #1 most of 2014/2015, then they might have a lot more interest in the sport? Hardly much for them to be enthusiastic about seeing as how we beat them 99-44 earlier this season...

Plyler is an ass clown anyway.

South Carolina has been #1 in two sports recently, winning the NC in baseball in 2010 and 2011. What sport has Clempsun had since men's golf fifteen years ago that was #1 in the country? Can't recall ANY!

 

[Pruittmatt44]

I thought the same thing FORKCOCK.

 

[furncock1]

I don understand why ANYONE would listen to CCCRP.....It's isn't like you haven't known it is propaganda and worse for decades. If the answer is that it's fun to hear them brag then you dont need to complain about that on here. You have 2 excellent sports alternatives out of Greenvile and a country talk show out of Anderson and on some days you can get 680 out of ATL.
A Gamecock listening to the Clemson Rag is like a Pentecostal attending worship at the Unitarian Church

 

[Pruittmatt44]

What are the other stations? I'm still just a Youngin, so I'm either listening to sports radio or the music from my iPhone...I'd love to hear more of a gamecock centralized radio instead of everyone pushing clemson sports then complaining on air how all they wanna talk about is their football team.

 

[usctim#]

It only matters if you are winning. If the CU women were #1 and had a Wednesday night game like this they would be encouraging the local churches to have an early service so fans could make it to the game much like that dog and pony show they put on last year when the men played an early Sunday NIT game and churches held early services. LOL. Suddenly everybody was an basketball fan and the NIT was important but we were taunted by them for being excited about winning the thing a few years back.

 

[topdecktiger]

Football/men's basketball are the only sports that have any mass appeal. Sorry, but that's just how it is. There is minimal interest in women's basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, track & field, volleyball. Some individual schools (UConn- women's basketball, Duke- men's lacrosse, Boston College- men's hockey, for example) have a following for non-revenue sports, but overall, there isn't a real demand or audience for these sports. (Hence the name non-revenue.)

This is one of those issues where there isn't really a wrong answer. It just gets blown out of proportion because rival fans are just using the issue to take potshots at each other, rather than making a substantive argument. You are correct that it's obviously more desirable to excel in many sports. However, Clemson fans are also correct that the only reason a majority of Carolina fans are even following the women's basketball team is that they are ranked #1. If the team was having a pretty decent year, let's say 18-6 with a #25 ranking, the average Carolina fan would not take any more than a minimal interest (i.e. not enough to go to/watch a game).

Same thing with this Mickey Plyler comment. According to you, Plyler said he wasn't going to comment on the game because he doesn't follow women's basketball. Well, that would put him in the same boat as about 90% of the rest of the country that doesn't follow it either. I'm not sure why anyone would characterize that as "bashing." Would he (and the station) pay more attention if Clemson was #1? I'm sure he/they would, especially considering it's the local team. Even so, it's not like it would be some hugely popular thing. I remember back when Clemson did have a pretty decent WBB team (before they decided to fire Jim Davis), Tommy Powell used to try to force conversations about the women's team, and people would call in and tell him they were tired of hearing about it. That goes back to my original point, women's basketball just isn't that popular. The only time fans get really fired up about it is when their school is winning championships (UConn/Tennessee). Otherwise, it's an afterthought.

 

[USCRBCOCK]

Originally posted by topdecktiger:

Football/men's basketball are the only sports that have any mass appeal. Sorry, but that's just how it is. There is minimal interest in women's basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, track & field, volleyball. Some individual schools (UConn- women's basketball, Duke- men's lacrosse, Boston College- men's hockey, for example) have a following for non-revenue sports, but overall, there isn't a real demand or audience for these sports. (Hence the name non-revenue.)

This is one of those issues where there isn't really a wrong answer. It just gets blown out of proportion because rival fans are just using the issue to take potshots at each other, rather than making a substantive argument. You are correct that it's obviously more desirable to excel in many sports. However, Clemson fans are also correct that the only reason a majority of Carolina fans are even following the women's basketball team is that they are ranked #1. If the team was having a pretty decent year, let's say 18-6 with a #25 ranking, the average Carolina fan would not take any more than a minimal interest (i.e. not enough to go to/watch a game).

Same thing with this Mickey Plyler comment. According to you, Plyler said he wasn't going to comment on the game because he doesn't follow women's basketball. Well, that would put him in the same boat as about 90% of the rest of the country that doesn't follow it either. I'm not sure why anyone would characterize that as "bashing." Would he (and the station) pay more attention if Clemson was #1? I'm sure he/they would, especially considering it's the local team. Even so, it's not like it would be some hugely popular thing. I remember back when Clemson did have a pretty decent WBB team (before they decided to fire Jim Davis), Tommy Powell used to try to force conversations about the women's team, and people would call in and tell him they were tired of hearing about it. That goes back to my original point, women's basketball just isn't that popular. The only time fans get really fired up about it is when their school is winning championships (UConn/Tennessee). Otherwise, it's an afterthought.

There ya go.........get that spin machine wound up.........I think you're going to need it running smoothly for what's coming.

 

[gamecockjosh]

There is nothing wrong with celebrating achievements in all your sports. Sure if you asked most Gamecock fans they would much prefer to be #1 in football. However the reality is that being #1 in any sport is an accomplishment worthy of celebration. In fact, we as fans should consider it an obligation to support a team that is accomplishing so much. If there ever was a time to celebrate women's basketball, the time is now. Personally, I'm proud that Gamecock Nation is supporting our women's basketball team so well. It says a lot for our fans.

 

[UpstateGamecock2]

klemsux is just jealous. they're hanging on to their 1 football win in 6 years. plus, they'll take any jab they can to try and degrade Carolina. they say they don't care about WBB, but that's just because the Gamecocks have the #1 team in the country. You better believe if any of their sports had a top 10 or even top 25 ranking, they wouldn't shut up about it!

Several years ago, klemsux loved baseball because their teams were pretty good. As soon as Carolina sent them home on the way to winning 2 National Championships, all of the sudden, baseball wasn't important. They're so transparent and pathetic! So glad we're not klempsun!!

GO COCKS!!!

 

[cockynSC66]

You don't really believe a women's team would beat a men's team do you? That's a joke.

 

[olcoach04]

Plyler was all geeked about women's basketball until they fired his boy Jim Davis a few years back. But I agree with him to a point. If someone has to be number 1 I am glad it is USC, but I could truly care less. I equate the women's game to watching the under 30 men in the church league. It just holds zero interest for me, and the majority of sports fans. Womens ball will draw in bandwagon folks when they start winning but them it fades. UT doesn't fill it up anymore. Duke only draws a small slice of what they used to. It lacks staying power and mass appeal.

 

[CaliCock]

Originally posted by topdecktiger:

Football/men's basketball are the only sports that have any mass appeal. Sorry, but that's just how it is. There is minimal interest in women's basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, track & field, volleyball...

lol, this is where I stopped reading, when you grouped baseball and women's hoops in with volleyball. uh dumbass, how many volleyball games are on ESPN2 in primetime?

 

[1SGgamecock]

you have obviously forgotten the concrete canoe contest.

 

[Rollerdude123]

To correct the caller to Mickey's show


USC just didn't start supporting our basketball team this year. The attendance has been rising every year under Coach Staley.


To alums of a school- every sport is important -and yes - Alums and fans are more vocal when their teams are good. That's true across the entire world.

But who cares- our women's team is one of the best in the country and that's a great thing.

It if didn't matter- other schools wouldn't have a women's team.

and the best part - Mickey Plyler (a goof-ball who the Anderson Independent once reported ran after a basketball official after a Clemson loss) mentioning South Carolina's great women's basketball team. That's pretty funny right there.

This post was edited on 2/9 7:46 PM by Rollerdude123

 

[Rollerdude123]

Agree- he use to talk about that quite a bit - when Clemson was good.



Originally posted by olcoach04:

Plyler was all geeked about women's basketball until they fired his boy Jim Davis a few years back.

 

[topdecktiger]

Originally posted by CaliCock:

lol, this is where I stopped reading, when you grouped baseball and women's hoops in with volleyball. uh dumbass, how many volleyball games are on ESPN2 in primetime?


I grouped them in with other non-revenue sports, because they are just that, non-revenue. ESPN will draw minimal ratings for this game. I hate to tell you, but this is one of the few women's basketball games that is "on ESPN2 in primetime." Happens every week with men's basketball. Rarely happens with women's basketball. So, you can be an internet smartass all you want, but my point is backed up by facts, and you know it.

 

[uscbeckham]

Originally posted by topdecktiger:

Originally posted by CaliCock:


lol, this is where I stopped reading, when you grouped baseball and women's hoops in with volleyball. uh dumbass, how many volleyball games are on ESPN2 in primetime?




I grouped them in with other non-revenue sports, because they are just that, non-revenue. ESPN will draw minimal ratings for this game. I hate to tell you, but this is one of the few women's basketball games that is "on ESPN2 in primetime." Happens every week with men's basketball. Rarely happens with women's basketball. So, you can be an internet smartass all you want, but my point is backed up by facts, and you know it.

Women's basketball is pretty close to breaking even these days, especially averaging 12,000 per game.

Also, baseball supposedly makes a little bit. If we weren't making payments on our $40-million gem of a ballpark, then we would easily be in the black for baseball.

Don't compare the sports at Clemson with the sports at USC for revenue. Unlike CU, we have set up WBB and baseball in a way that doesn't hinder our other programs.

 

[Rollerdude123]

No one would ever argue that it's like men's basketball. That's silly.


But our program is one of the top ones in the country- and we care about it a lot- and that's what matters.


If Mickey or Clemson fans want to dismiss it like it's nothing or whatever- that's fine. That's stupid- but it's perfectly fine. I am sure your women's basketball coach, athletic department, basketball players, and future possible recruits will take notice.




Originally posted by topdecktiger:

I grouped them in with other non-revenue sports, because they are just that, non-revenue. ESPN will draw minimal ratings for this game. I hate to tell you, but this is one of the few women's basketball games that is "on ESPN2 in primetime." Happens every week with men's basketball. Rarely happens with women's basketball. So, you can be an internet smartass all you want, but my point is backed up by facts, and you know it.

 

[FORKCOCK]

Walt is now on overdrive talking major trash on Twitter.
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[uscbeckham]

Originally posted by FORKCOCK:
Walt is now on overdrive talking major trash on Twitter.

Posted from Rivals Mobile

Congratulations to his team on playing in a premier game as an undefeated team against the best program of all time. I'm sure CU's girls play in these kinds of games all the time.

 

[topdecktiger]

Originally posted by uscbeckham:

Women's basketball is pretty close to breaking even these days, especially averaging 12,000 per game.

Also, baseball supposedly makes a little bit. If we weren't making payments on our $40-million gem of a ballpark, then we would easily be in the black for baseball.

Don't compare the sports at Clemson with the sports at USC for revenue. Unlike CU, we have set up WBB and baseball in a way that doesn't hinder our other programs.


See, this is my point. Nobody said there is anything wrong with Carolina fans being happy about the women's basketball team. My point is, when you try to introduce women's basketball into the typical rivalry smack talk, well that's asinine.

Case in point. Let's consider this hypothetical scenario. Let's say last year, after Carolina wins the football game for the 5th year in a row, Clemson WBB team is ranked #1 during the season, and Clemson fans were making a big deal about it. You know full well what kind of jokes would be made here about that. Carolina fans would be laughing that Clemson had to resort to women's basketball to be able to trash talk to Carolina.

"Pretty close" to breaking even exactly what I said, non-revenue. I don't know why you and the other posters are upset with me for stating the obvious. That aside, I listed some examples of non-revenue teams that don't fit that pattern, specifically UConn women's basketball. I'm sure that UConn's WBB program in particular, makes money. They have been selling out games for decades, they have a big local following, and they have many alums in the WNBA who make donations to the program. The problem is UConn is the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of schools don't make money on their WBB programs. Why? Because there is an overall lack of interest. Women's basketball simply isn't a popular sport. It may be popular at individual schools, but it's not popular with the general sports fans. Therefore, it's not a good candidate for smack talk, and it's no indictment on other fans or commentators if they aren't interested in it.

 

[uscbeckham]

Originally posted by topdecktiger:

Originally posted by uscbeckham:



Women's basketball is pretty close to breaking even these days, especially averaging 12,000 per game.

Also, baseball supposedly makes a little bit. If we weren't making payments on our $40-million gem of a ballpark, then we would easily be in the black for baseball.

Don't compare the sports at Clemson with the sports at USC for revenue. Unlike CU, we have set up WBB and baseball in a way that doesn't hinder our other programs.






See, this is my point. Nobody said there is anything wrong with Carolina fans being happy about the women's basketball team. My point is, when you try to introduce women's basketball into the typical rivalry smack talk, well that's asinine.

Case in point. Let's consider this hypothetical scenario. Let's say last year, after Carolina wins the football game for the 5th year in a row, Clemson WBB team is ranked #1 during the season, and Clemson fans were making a big deal about it. You know full well what kind of jokes would be made here about that. Carolina fans would be laughing that Clemson had to resort to women's basketball to be able to trash talk to Carolina.

"Pretty close" to breaking even exactly what I said, non-revenue. I don't know why you and the other posters are upset with me for stating the obvious. That aside, I listed some examples of non-revenue teams that don't fit that pattern, specifically UConn women's basketball. I'm sure that UConn's WBB program in particular, makes money. They have been selling out games for decades, they have a big local following, and they have many alums in the WNBA who make donations to the program. The problem is UConn is the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of schools don't make money on their WBB programs. Why? Because there is an overall lack of interest. Women's basketball simply isn't a popular sport. It may be popular at individual schools, but it's not popular with the general sports fans. Therefore, it's not a good candidate for smack talk, and it's no indictment on other fans or commentators if they aren't interested in it.

The original post was talking about how Plyler wouldn't discuss it at all, which is just petty. This isn't about rivalry smack. This is about Plyler controlling the message on his show. If listeners want to talk about it, then talk about it. Don't control the show like Walt. Also, who cares what the national perception is of the fiscal nature of women's basketball. We do pretty good with it HERE, and we care about it HERE. So, when we want to talk about it on a SC radio station, we get shut down by a petty, Clemson-homer host. That's just unprofessional.


This post was edited on 2/9 11:13 PM by uscbeckham

 

[topdecktiger]

Originally posted by Rollerdude123:

No one would ever argue that it's like men's basketball. That's silly.


But our program is one of the top ones in the country- and we care about it a lot- and that's what matters.


If Mickey or Clemson fans want to dismiss it like it's nothing or whatever- that's fine. That's stupid- but it's perfectly fine. I am sure your women's basketball coach, athletic department, basketball players, and future possible recruits will take notice.

And there is nothing wrong with Carolina fans caring about the WBB team. There is also just nothing wrong with other fans not caring about the Carolina WBB team.

As far as dismissing it, the sports world pretty much does dismiss it. Women's games are rarely on television. Same thing with baseball. How many baseball games will be televised this season? Not a whole lot. (The SEC Network will probably comprise the bulk of them, not counting the CWS.) These other sports simply aren't that popular. The only college sports that have mass appeal are football and men's basketball. Those are the only ones that get consistent and wide-ranging exposure. That doesn't mean schools shouldn't try to excel in them. It does mean that it's silly (to borrow your description) to conflate success in a sport like WBB with success in football or MBB.

 

[uscbeckham]

Originally posted by topdecktiger:

Originally posted by Rollerdude123:

No one would ever argue that it's like men's basketball. That's silly.


But our program is one of the top ones in the country- and we care about it a lot- and that's what matters.


If Mickey or Clemson fans want to dismiss it like it's nothing or whatever- that's fine. That's stupid- but it's perfectly fine. I am sure your women's basketball coach, athletic department, basketball players, and future possible recruits will take notice.

And there is nothing wrong with Carolina fans caring about the WBB team. There is also just nothing wrong with other fans not caring about the Carolina WBB team.

As far as dismissing it, the sports world pretty much does dismiss it. Women's games are rarely on television. Same thing with baseball. How many baseball games will be televised this season? Not a whole lot. (The SEC Network will probably comprise the bulk of them, not counting the CWS.) These other sports simply aren't that popular. The only college sports that have mass appeal are football and men's basketball. Those are the only ones that get consistent and wide-ranging exposure. That doesn't mean schools shouldn't try to excel in them. It does mean that it's silly (to borrow your description) to conflate success in a sport like WBB with success in football or MBB.

That would be fine and dandy if a Carolina fan were calling a show in Cleveland, but this was a radio show in South Carolina. If the listeners want to discuss something, discuss it. Along with USC's DC hire, it was the most relevant sports topic in our state today. None of you can deny it.

 

[DirtyCock99]

Cue the name calling... but I agree with the tater. WBB is an after thought to me. I watched about 10 min of the game tonight. First women's game I've watched since Walvius got them to the sweet 16. No one really cares. Should the tater radio host give it some play if the callers have interest? Sure. He's just living up to his moronic reputation.

Baseball on the other hand... is a big deal. At usc. At clemson. At coastal. At c of c. At the citadel. This is a baseball state. The only fans on either side who say they don't care about baseball is either lying or a yankee transplant. Phil Wilhelm would shit a golden bat if he saw how little the clemson fan base 'thinks' of baseball. But then again, most of the loud ones don't even know who Phil was.

 

[scullman]

I don't know that much about Mickey Plyler to really comment on him. But, I can't respect anyone in general who tries to belittle or discount women's sports, or even women in sports. I have a daughter and I'm raising her to believe that anything she does or wants to do is every bit as relevant and important as men.

If Plyler really said that then it's a shame because he blew an opportunity to be bigger than himself, especially since he has radio as a medium to reach a wide audience. I'm not saying that he has to like or be a fan of women's sports. But, he doesn't have to dismiss it.

I can't pull for USC. I just can't, it's not in me. But what the Lady Gamecocks are doing is nothing short of spectacular and I appreciate the way Gamecock fans are responding. I hope Clemson will have the same success some day and if they do, I hope my fellow Tigers respond the same way.

 

[uscbeckham]

Originally posted by DirtyCock99:
Cue the name calling... but I agree with the tater. WBB is an after thought to me. I watched about 10 min of the game tonight. First women's game I've watched since Walvius got them to the sweet 16. No one really cares. Should the tater radio host give it some play if the callers have interest? Sure. He's just living up to his moronic reputation.

Baseball on the other hand... is a big deal. At usc. At clemson. At coastal. At c of c. At the citadel. This is a baseball state. The only fans on either side who say they don't care about baseball is either lying or a yankee transplant. Phil Wilhelm would shit a golden bat if he saw how little the clemson fan base 'thinks' of baseball. But then again, most of the loud ones don't even know who Phil was.

I can live with this. You make a lot of sense here.

 

[SClanding]

Re: And Mickey Plyler is a Florida fan and a huge booster of

Coach Spurrier....wink, wink...at least that was what he used to tell people when he was running his recruiting service....of course that had nothing to do with the fact that UF happened to be the dominant team in SCs division at the time.

Then he along with some others up there got busted pushing Clemson during recruiting calls to players even to players whom had never considered Clemson....

Amazingly enough when the service went under....why ole Mickey came out of the closet as one of the biggest Clemson homers around.


You better run along toddler....you might miss something on that 24\7\365 tailgating network...I hear they are holding sermons this afternoon on how Jesus can become more Dabo-like and a segment on how the Tater basketball team deserves a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament because well who knows...

Dolts.

 

[kickassblaster]

Originally posted by Pruittmatt44:
Today on my way to class I over heard Micky plyler (sp) say that he wouldnt comment on the women's basketball game tonight because he didn't know about it because he didn't follow it. People went on to bash him about not giving credit to the women's game; but what I thought was interesting was that someone texted in saying "it's funny how after a year the entire focus of a university is switched to womens basketball" my question or topic is, that is it not better that we have all these other sports we can enjoy, celebrate, and watch? Football, women's basketball, baseball, men's basketball with some improvements, compared to the only thing clemson fans seem to want to talk about which is their football team. Living just outside of clemson and talking to the people who live around here, they act like they ignore all other sports and try to knock our university because we support our women's team. I just think it's odd they try to bash us because we support all sports of our athletic department while (what seems to be the majority of clemson fans I know and talk to) they seem to only acknowledge the one.

Any thoughts on this?

I actually came over hear to congratulate your women's basketball team and to tell y'all to be proud of them. As a Clemson fan I cannot defend what other Clemson fans say and do and don't really want to for that matter. Y'all have a great women's basketball program. Own it...get behind them. Show up for games and don't worry about what fans from other schools are saying.

On a side note, my 10th grade daughter plays varsity basketball for her high school. Most of the students in the student section go to the girls games because the boys play right after. The girls know this, but it doesn't matter to them. It is still a huge boost for the team when they hear their friends cheering for them!

 

[cockyclay]

Originally posted by scullman:
I don't know that much about Mickey Plyler to really comment on him. But, I can't respect anyone in general who tries to belittle or discount women's sports, or even women in sports. I have a daughter and I'm raising her to believe that anything she does or wants to do is every bit as relevant and important as men.

If Plyler really said that then it's a shame because he blew an opportunity to be bigger than himself, especially since he has radio as a medium to reach a wide audience. I'm not saying that he has to like or be a fan of women's sports. But, he doesn't have to dismiss it.

I can't pull for USC. I just can't, it's not in me. But what the Lady Gamecocks are doing is nothing short of spectacular and I appreciate the way Gamecock fans are responding. I hope Clemson will have the same success some day and if they do, I hope my fellow Tigers respond the same way.

Classiest post I have ever seen from a rival on here and spot on. I agree 100%.

 

[redsoxcock]

Originally posted by topdecktiger:

Same thing with baseball. How many baseball games will be televised this season? Not a whole lot. (The SEC Network will probably comprise the bulk of them, not counting the CWS.)

Ooops. Probably should have checked that. There will be over 450 SEC baseball games broadcast ALONE this year. That doesn't include other conferences and major programs. A lot are SEC Network, but why doesn't that count? Just because it hinders your argument? Not to mention that for the first time, this year ESPN2 will broadcast the entire SEC Tournament nationally.You'd obviously be lying if you thought it was that many over the span of the entire season for everyone. But, hey, good effort.

http://www.secsports.com/article/12198559/2015-sec-baseball-tv-schedule

This post was edited on 2/10 3:50 PM by redsoxcock

 

[megatiger_dtw@yahoo.com]

Didnt read past Micky plyler.
When you mentioned his name you compromised the intergrity of the post.
While being a Clemson fan I personally think he is a doosh.
He talks about being poor but mentions all his rich friends.
I have been around him three different times and he acted like a prude bitch

 

[67gamecock]

Originally posted by gamecockjosh:

There is nothing wrong with celebrating achievements in all your sports. Sure if you asked most Gamecock fans they would much prefer to be #1 in football. However the reality is that being #1 in any sport is an accomplishment worthy of celebration. In fact, we as fans should consider it an obligation to support a team that is accomplishing so much. If there ever was a time to celebrate women's basketball, the time is now. Personally, I'm proud that Gamecock Nation is supporting our women's basketball team so well. It says a lot for our fans.

Honestly, when's the last time Clemson's football team was ranked #1?

 

[Rollerdude123]

Actually, USC's baseball team has been on ESPN 2, ESPNU, and Fox Sports a lot over the past 2-4 years.

I recall quite a number of Thursday and Friday night games on tv.

Will be. On a ton of times this year.

Originally posted by topdecktiger:

How many baseball games will be televised this season? Not a whole lot. (The SEC Network will probably comprise the bulk of them, not counting the CWS.) These other sports simply aren't that popular. The only college sports that have mass appeal are football and men's basketball. Those are the only ones that get consistent and wide-ranging exposure. That doesn't mean schools shouldn't try to excel in them. It does mean that it's silly (to borrow your description) to conflate success in a sport like WBB with success in football or MBB.