USC - Got it right with Beamer

[rgamecock1]

As I am about to write this post I know there are some that have different opinions. Well I have mine and if you don't like it, that is fine. I frankly do not care. But honestly my intuition told me that there was
something that was not right about Billy Napier. I do not know what it is, but how Napier handled the end of the game the other night confirmed my intuition. Come on. That right there to me was a red
flag and frankly I never heard Napier say "USC" was his dream job. "Never". I think he wanted the job to maybe help himself to an NFL job. His demeanor told me a lot as well. Finally I do not know what went
on in the locker room at Clemson 10 years ago but he and Dabo Swinney got into a really bad fight. I have my concerns about someone getting into a fight, he should have been man enough to walk away.
The next morning Dabo fired him. I know that was 10 years ago and that is water under the bridge. Beamer was at USC and he recruited the players that won a lot of games. Players know players and
players know coaches. There were too many former players who spoke up for Beamer, supporters and people in the community. Shane has been on coaching staffs from VA Tech, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma.
I know he knows how to run a program and I feel like I know he knows what it takes to win at a high level. Trust me if he didn't you would have heard from his peers either as anonymous sources, or a source.
The coach at Coastal Carolina also has his demons. Look at what he left at Charleston Southern. They had to vacate a lot of wins and the program was put on probation. To his credit Coastal Carolina can play
after watching them beat BYU, the man can coach. But with that in mind I also had concerns about him. These coaches searches are always a gamble. Every year schools hire coaches with head coaching experince and things do not work out. For example Willie Taggart from Oregon to FSU, well we know about that, Florida with Jim McElwain, he was fired, Florida with Ron Zook, The coach at Michigan who got fired and Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh, Clemson hired Tommy Bowden from Tulane, well we know how that turned out. So do not tell me that hiring someone with head coaching experience is a good
situation. IT IS ALWAYS A GAMBLE 50-50. THERE IS NO PERFECT FORMULA for hiring a head coach. It is always a gamble. I think for all the reasons with Beamer I think it was a good choice. Hopefully
it will turn out to be the right one. Look at Sam Pittman at Arkansas, he was the ol coach at UGA and look at what he has done at Arkansas. So in my opinion with everything about Beamer, experience,
coaching at several division 1 schools, his character, the players knowing what kind of coach he is and how he not only cares about them as a person but a football player, yes USC in my opinion got it
right. If you do not agree. That is fine, but frankly this is my opinion and frankly I stand behind Tanner, Caslen and the BOT 100%.

 

[Cock-a-Doo]

Examples can be given to fit most any narrative. You support the hire and thats completely fine and good.
You've also presented your argument for Beamer in a very "political endorsement" fashion though, sort of ignoring or not giving proper weight to some of the potential shortcomings of this hire.
It feels very lazy, good ol boy network in nature, emotional - "player's favorite"/"its his dream job", and just silly to think he is the most qualified guy to take this job - that's how I currently perceive it.
I'm going to choose to support him and continue to love my Gamecocks - why not at this point?

 

[elcidcockfan]

This is bull$&!+. Your obviously one of those good ole boys who lobbied for Shane or your just gullible. I don't get this "dream job" argument. The guy was here from 2007-2010. Let's not pretend the guy was a fixture here for a decade and that this is home for him. Also let's not forget he's about to increase his pay 10-fold and end up with life changing money no matter how this experiment turns out. And to think you would even take a shot at two dudes who have actually built programs that are currently winning is laughable. I'm sure your happy that the pr campaign was successful but were about to find out if years of being an h-backs/tight-ends coach translates into a successful head coach who can build winning programs. Just seems odd we would pass on two guys with ties to the state who are already doing that?

 

[lakemurraycock1]

. IT IS ALWAYS A GAMBLE 50-50. THERE IS NO PERFECT FORMULA for hiring a head coach. It is always a gamble.

It is always a gamble but it is not always 50-50. That is like saying that it is 50-50 that you will crash your car every time you drive it. You pick a proven loser to be a head coach then it is more likely that he will fail. Same with a proven winner like Spurrier or Meyer. It is far more likely that he will be successful. I will be hopeful and supportive of our team. I hope Beamer can get some really good assistants. But this is definitely a high risk hire. The staff he persuades to come here will be a good indicator of the future.

 

[jeff2001]

This is bull$&!+. Your obviously one of those good ole boys who lobbied for Shane or your just gullible. I don't get this "dream job" argument. The guy was here from 2007-2010. Let's not pretend the guy was a fixture here for a decade and that this is home for him. Also let's not forget he's about to increase his pay 10-fold and end up with life changing money no matter how this experiment turns out. And to think you would even take a shot at two dudes who have actually built programs that are currently winning is laughable. I'm sure your happy that the pr campaign was successful but were about to find out if years of being an h-backs/tight-ends coach translates into a successful head coach who can build winning programs. Just seems odd we would pass on two guys with ties to the state who are already doing that?

When you say good ole boys, you mean Lattimore ,Jeffery , Ingram , Swearinger?

 

[rgamecock1]

Examples can be given to fit most any narrative. You support the hire and thats completely fine and good.
You've also presented your argument for Beamer in a very "political endorsement" fashion though, sort of ignoring or not giving proper weight to some of the potential shortcomings of this hire.
It feels very lazy, good ol boy network in nature, emotional - "player's favorite"/"its his dream job", and just silly to think he is the most qualified guy to take this job - that's how I currently perceive it.
I'm going to choose to support him and continue to love my Gamecocks - why not at this point?

Perception like beauty it is in the"eye of the beholder" Yes in my opinion he is the most qualified person for this job. Just like in life fortune 500 companies make corporate hires based on history and what they feel like is the best. Do they make mistakes? Of course they do. People get married and in today's society once they have a little hardship they decide it it time for a divorce. Yes Beamer has all the qulifications for this job. You don't work under coaches like his father, Phillip Fulmer, Kirby Smart and Lincoln Riley and not learn how to manage and coach a d1 football program. Yes in life being somewhere because you want to be there means a lot. Go to work for a company and you are not 100% in they will find a way to replace you. When Bear Bryant was at Alabama he said everyone needs to be in from the janitor to the president and bot. I feel like Beamer truly wants to be at USC and yes the players and being a dream job means a lot. Hire someone who is just in it for themselves and sooner or later you will see failure. I really think Napier was wanting to be in it for himself, not for the school. In five years or sooner he will be in the NFL.

 

[DeepfriedCock]

As I am about to write this post I know there are some that have different opinions. Well I have mine and if you don't like it, that is fine. I frankly do not care. But honestly my intuition told me that there was
something that was not right about Billy Napier. I do not know what it is, but how Napier handled the end of the game the other night confirmed my intuition. Come on. That right there to me was a red
flag and frankly I never heard Napier say "USC" was his dream job. "Never". I think he wanted the job to maybe help himself to an NFL job. His demeanor told me a lot as well. Finally I do not know what went
on in the locker room at Clemson 10 years ago but he and Dabo Swinney got into a really bad fight. I have my concerns about someone getting into a fight, he should have been man enough to walk away.
The next morning Dabo fired him. I know that was 10 years ago and that is water under the bridge. Beamer was at USC and he recruited the players that won a lot of games. Players know players and
players know coaches. There were too many former players who spoke up for Beamer, supporters and people in the community. Shane has been on coaching staffs from VA Tech, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma.
I know he knows how to run a program and I feel like I know he knows what it takes to win at a high level. Trust me if he didn't you would have heard from his peers either as anonymous sources, or a source.
The coach at Coastal Carolina also has his demons. Look at what he left at Charleston Southern. They had to vacate a lot of wins and the program was put on probation. To his credit Coastal Carolina can play
after watching them beat BYU, the man can coach. But with that in mind I also had concerns about him. These coaches searches are always a gamble. Every year schools hire coaches with head coaching experince and things do not work out. For example Willie Taggart from Oregon to FSU, well we know about that, Florida with Jim McElwain, he was fired, Florida with Ron Zook, The coach at Michigan who got fired and Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh, Clemson hired Tommy Bowden from Tulane, well we know how that turned out. So do not tell me that hiring someone with head coaching experience is a good
situation. IT IS ALWAYS A GAMBLE 50-50. THERE IS NO PERFECT FORMULA for hiring a head coach. It is always a gamble. I think for all the reasons with Beamer I think it was a good choice. Hopefully
it will turn out to be the right one. Look at Sam Pittman at Arkansas, he was the ol coach at UGA and look at what he has done at Arkansas. So in my opinion with everything about Beamer, experience,
coaching at several division 1 schools, his character, the players knowing what kind of coach he is and how he not only cares about them as a person but a football player, yes USC in my opinion got it
right. If you do not agree. That is fine, but frankly this is my opinion and frankly I stand behind Tanner, Caslen and the BOT 100%.

 

[uscg1984]

I hope Breamer wins a ton of games and championship here. But don't expect that announcement to generate a lot of excitement or sell a lot of season tickets next year. Maybe it will turn out to be the right decision, but this is a ho-hum hire.

 

[elcidcockfan]

When you say good ole boys, you mean Lattimore ,Jeffery , Ingram , Swearinger?

Are the above guys coming back to play? Sure I think their recommendations should matter given all else being equal but I believe we're pretty far off from equal resumes here.

 

[cadcock]

This is definitely not a 50-50 hire. We hired a TE Coach who left us to go coach RB’s at his dad’s school. If on the odd chance he is successful, how long before VT comes calling.

 

[JamesRob]

When you say good ole boys, you mean Lattimore ,Jeffery , Ingram , Swearinger?

We just hired a position coach riding his Daddy’s coattails. Sound familiar? It should.

 

[rgamecock1]

This is bull$&!+. Your obviously one of those good ole boys who lobbied for Shane or your just gullible. I don't get this "dream job" argument. The guy was here from 2007-2010. Let's not pretend the guy was a fixture here for a decade and that this is home for him. Also let's not forget he's about to increase his pay 10-fold and end up with life changing money no matter how this experiment turns out. And to think you would even take a shot at two dudes who have actually built programs that are currently winning is laughable. I'm sure your happy that the pr campaign was successful but were about to find out if years of being an h-backs/tight-ends coach translates into a successful head coach who can build winning programs. Just seems odd we would pass on two guys with ties to the state who are already doing that?

Well Chadwell at Coastal he can coach. Look at what he left Charleston Southern. Vacating wins, probation for the school. Sure he can win, but can he do it the right way for an extended period of time. Hugh Freeze is an excellent football coach, but call it like it is he really went overboard hiring prostitutes to get recruits at Ole Miss. Napier his management of the end of the game the other night against App State, well that concerns me as well as his past history. Those to me are serious red flags. Look I am not a good ole boy as you say, just a regular football fan, I have no influence or do I know anyone with influence. Just a fan with an opinion. In life we all take chances, in marriages today people take vows and once they have some hard times it is time for a divorce. People who play the stock market, they either do well or they lose everything. You have to remember that Coastal Carolina has a history of ncaa violations that go a long way back. Five years from now will tell. Just because someone has a history of being a head coach does not gurantee they will suceed. Never has, never will. Just like marriages in america divorce rate is 70%. I still think this was the right move. If you don't agree that is fine. We will agree to disagree.

 

[statelinecock]

Yes but were they likeable? Likeable is the number 1 asset.....

 

[carolinamike79]

My first choice was Napier but I was good with any of the three between Napier, Chadwell or Beamer. His coordinators and staff will be key plus what he can salvage recruiting wise! I do like that we hired a younger coach, it is a gamble but as others have said, there are no sure things. Let’s get behind him and see how things go!

 

[GarnetCarolina]

This is definitely not a 50-50 hire. We hired a TE Coach who left us to go coach RB’s at his dad’s school. If on the odd chance he is successful, how long before VT comes calling.

The "if he is successful, how long before ______ comes calling" could be applied to any person who is hired to coach here. We are not a coaching destination. We are either a stepping stone or career ender. For some reason our fans think that all the great coaches have their agents lobbying to get their name in the running for an opening here.

 

[feeble2001]

He has stated multiple times that he is not super interested in following his dads footsteps at VT and wanted to make his own Mark which is why he said USC was his dream job

 

[Garnet chicken]

When you say good ole boys, you mean Lattimore ,Jeffery , Ingram , Swearinger?

Were they the ghost search consultants? Next hire USC needs to just ask former players. Guaranteed success?

 

[jake4290]

As I am about to write this post I know there are some that have different opinions. Well I have mine and if you don't like it, that is fine. I frankly do not care. But honestly my intuition told me that there was
something that was not right about Billy Napier. I do not know what it is, but how Napier handled the end of the game the other night confirmed my intuition. Come on. That right there to me was a red
flag and frankly I never heard Napier say "USC" was his dream job. "Never". I think he wanted the job to maybe help himself to an NFL job. His demeanor told me a lot as well. Finally I do not know what went
on in the locker room at Clemson 10 years ago but he and Dabo Swinney got into a really bad fight. I have my concerns about someone getting into a fight, he should have been man enough to walk away.
The next morning Dabo fired him. I know that was 10 years ago and that is water under the bridge. Beamer was at USC and he recruited the players that won a lot of games. Players know players and
players know coaches. There were too many former players who spoke up for Beamer, supporters and people in the community. Shane has been on coaching staffs from VA Tech, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma.
I know he knows how to run a program and I feel like I know he knows what it takes to win at a high level. Trust me if he didn't you would have heard from his peers either as anonymous sources, or a source.
The coach at Coastal Carolina also has his demons. Look at what he left at Charleston Southern. They had to vacate a lot of wins and the program was put on probation. To his credit Coastal Carolina can play
after watching them beat BYU, the man can coach. But with that in mind I also had concerns about him. These coaches searches are always a gamble. Every year schools hire coaches with head coaching experince and things do not work out. For example Willie Taggart from Oregon to FSU, well we know about that, Florida with Jim McElwain, he was fired, Florida with Ron Zook, The coach at Michigan who got fired and Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh, Clemson hired Tommy Bowden from Tulane, well we know how that turned out. So do not tell me that hiring someone with head coaching experience is a good
situation. IT IS ALWAYS A GAMBLE 50-50. THERE IS NO PERFECT FORMULA for hiring a head coach. It is always a gamble. I think for all the reasons with Beamer I think it was a good choice. Hopefully
it will turn out to be the right one. Look at Sam Pittman at Arkansas, he was the ol coach at UGA and look at what he has done at Arkansas. So in my opinion with everything about Beamer, experience,
coaching at several division 1 schools, his character, the players knowing what kind of coach he is and how he not only cares about them as a person but a football player, yes USC in my opinion got it
right. If you do not agree. That is fine, but frankly this is my opinion and frankly I stand behind Tanner, Caslen and the BOT 100%.

The mere fact that you “stand behind Tanner, Carlen and the BOT 100%” shows that you are sadly misguided. Do you also stand behind the safety of the Titanic?

 

[chickadee#]

As I am about to write this post I know there are some that have different opinions. Well I have mine and if you don't like it, that is fine. I frankly do not care. But honestly my intuition told me that there was
something that was not right about Billy Napier. I do not know what it is, but how Napier handled the end of the game the other night confirmed my intuition. Come on. That right there to me was a red
flag and frankly I never heard Napier say "USC" was his dream job. "Never". I think he wanted the job to maybe help himself to an NFL job. His demeanor told me a lot as well. Finally I do not know what went
on in the locker room at Clemson 10 years ago but he and Dabo Swinney got into a really bad fight. I have my concerns about someone getting into a fight, he should have been man enough to walk away.
The next morning Dabo fired him. I know that was 10 years ago and that is water under the bridge. Beamer was at USC and he recruited the players that won a lot of games. Players know players and
players know coaches. There were too many former players who spoke up for Beamer, supporters and people in the community. Shane has been on coaching staffs from VA Tech, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma.
I know he knows how to run a program and I feel like I know he knows what it takes to win at a high level. Trust me if he didn't you would have heard from his peers either as anonymous sources, or a source.
The coach at Coastal Carolina also has his demons. Look at what he left at Charleston Southern. They had to vacate a lot of wins and the program was put on probation. To his credit Coastal Carolina can play
after watching them beat BYU, the man can coach. But with that in mind I also had concerns about him. These coaches searches are always a gamble. Every year schools hire coaches with head coaching experince and things do not work out. For example Willie Taggart from Oregon to FSU, well we know about that, Florida with Jim McElwain, he was fired, Florida with Ron Zook, The coach at Michigan who got fired and Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh, Clemson hired Tommy Bowden from Tulane, well we know how that turned out. So do not tell me that hiring someone with head coaching experience is a good
situation. IT IS ALWAYS A GAMBLE 50-50. THERE IS NO PERFECT FORMULA for hiring a head coach. It is always a gamble. I think for all the reasons with Beamer I think it was a good choice. Hopefully
it will turn out to be the right one. Look at Sam Pittman at Arkansas, he was the ol coach at UGA and look at what he has done at Arkansas. So in my opinion with everything about Beamer, experience,
coaching at several division 1 schools, his character, the players knowing what kind of coach he is and how he not only cares about them as a person but a football player, yes USC in my opinion got it
right. If you do not agree. That is fine, but frankly this is my opinion and frankly I stand behind Tanner, Caslen and the BOT 100%.

 

[chickadee#]

Clap...Clap...Clap...Clap!!

 

[castlesl]

As I am about to write this post I know there are some that have different opinions. Well I have mine and if you don't like it, that is fine. I frankly do not care. But honestly my intuition told me that there was
something that was not right about Billy Napier. I do not know what it is, but how Napier handled the end of the game the other night confirmed my intuition. Come on. That right there to me was a red
flag and frankly I never heard Napier say "USC" was his dream job. "Never". I think he wanted the job to maybe help himself to an NFL job. His demeanor told me a lot as well. Finally I do not know what went
on in the locker room at Clemson 10 years ago but he and Dabo Swinney got into a really bad fight. I have my concerns about someone getting into a fight, he should have been man enough to walk away.
The next morning Dabo fired him. I know that was 10 years ago and that is water under the bridge. Beamer was at USC and he recruited the players that won a lot of games. Players know players and
players know coaches. There were too many former players who spoke up for Beamer, supporters and people in the community. Shane has been on coaching staffs from VA Tech, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma.
I know he knows how to run a program and I feel like I know he knows what it takes to win at a high level. Trust me if he didn't you would have heard from his peers either as anonymous sources, or a source.
The coach at Coastal Carolina also has his demons. Look at what he left at Charleston Southern. They had to vacate a lot of wins and the program was put on probation. To his credit Coastal Carolina can play
after watching them beat BYU, the man can coach. But with that in mind I also had concerns about him. These coaches searches are always a gamble. Every year schools hire coaches with head coaching experince and things do not work out. For example Willie Taggart from Oregon to FSU, well we know about that, Florida with Jim McElwain, he was fired, Florida with Ron Zook, The coach at Michigan who got fired and Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh, Clemson hired Tommy Bowden from Tulane, well we know how that turned out. So do not tell me that hiring someone with head coaching experience is a good
situation. IT IS ALWAYS A GAMBLE 50-50. THERE IS NO PERFECT FORMULA for hiring a head coach. It is always a gamble. I think for all the reasons with Beamer I think it was a good choice. Hopefully
it will turn out to be the right one. Look at Sam Pittman at Arkansas, he was the ol coach at UGA and look at what he has done at Arkansas. So in my opinion with everything about Beamer, experience,
coaching at several division 1 schools, his character, the players knowing what kind of coach he is and how he not only cares about them as a person but a football player, yes USC in my opinion got it
right. If you do not agree. That is fine, but frankly this is my opinion and frankly I stand behind Tanner, Caslen and the BOT 100%.

Holy Drivel Bat Man.

Is Beamer as bad of a hire as Will, No? To his credit, Beamer hasn’t failed in a spectacular way, unlike Will.

None the less, Beamer has done nothing impressive in his career. It is just a fact. Does that mean he won’t be a good HC, No it doesn’t.

But the Constant massaging of facts and out right lies are just mind numbing.

Napier is widely respected, he was the best recruiter at the time on the Clemson staff that was full of some pretty good recruiters. Their was not a “fight“ between Dabo and Billy. They did not see eye to eye on offensive philosophy and Dabo wanted to go a different direction. It is what it is, it happens.
Both were young and inexperienced at the time.

Every time Billy moved form one job to the next, it was a promotion. He rose up the ranks and was valued and prized all along the way. He has worked under some top notch guys.

It is funny how Beamer is made out to be the differential peice in recruiting all the talent that came to this team while he was on staff. That is just not true. He was a part of the team, but he was neither the lead recruiter, or this revered figure.

The whole idea that hiring a coach is a crap shoot and you can just flip a quarter is also retarded. People who have demonstrated success more often than not continue to have success. There are no guarantees, but the idea that you can’t use someone’s experince and performance at previous gigs as an indicator of how well they will do is just moronic.

I think Beamer is a convenient hire, he doesn’t have any real failures, but few success. Truly the most successful thing about him is having the right last name. Oh and he will come cheap.

I can almost guarantee you the only reason Napier isn’t coming is b/c of the lack of financial support that was offered. Beamer is going to take several million less than what Napier wanted and he has told the admin that he can hire a great staff on the cheap.

 

[kidrobinski]

I hope Breamer wins a ton of games and championship here. But don't expect that announcement to generate a lot of excitement or sell a lot of season tickets next year. Maybe it will turn out to be the right decision, but this is a ho-hum hire.

Not for me it’s not. Been waiting for this. I have and have had the feeling that this is our Bobby Cremins when he was at ASU...we mistakenly passed over Bobby because of the same naive mindset on display on this board. Didn’t make that mistake this time.

 

[iohbird]

It is always a gamble but it is not always 50-50. That is like saying that it is 50-50 that you will crash your car every time you drive it. You pick a proven loser to be a head coach then it is more likely that he will fail. Same with a proven winner like Spurrier or Meyer. It is far more likely that he will be successful. I will be hopeful and supportive of our team. I hope Beamer can get some really good assistants. But this is definitely a high risk hire. The staff he persuades to come here will be a good indicator of the future.

Who is the proven lover that you mention?

 

[kotr]

As I am about to write this post I know there are some that have different opinions. Well I have mine and if you don't like it, that is fine. I frankly do not care. But honestly my intuition told me that there was
something that was not right about Billy Napier. I do not know what it is, but how Napier handled the end of the game the other night confirmed my intuition. Come on. That right there to me was a red
flag and frankly I never heard Napier say "USC" was his dream job. "Never". I think he wanted the job to maybe help himself to an NFL job. His demeanor told me a lot as well. Finally I do not know what went
on in the locker room at Clemson 10 years ago but he and Dabo Swinney got into a really bad fight. I have my concerns about someone getting into a fight, he should have been man enough to walk away.
The next morning Dabo fired him. I know that was 10 years ago and that is water under the bridge. Beamer was at USC and he recruited the players that won a lot of games. Players know players and
players know coaches. There were too many former players who spoke up for Beamer, supporters and people in the community. Shane has been on coaching staffs from VA Tech, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma.
I know he knows how to run a program and I feel like I know he knows what it takes to win at a high level. Trust me if he didn't you would have heard from his peers either as anonymous sources, or a source.
The coach at Coastal Carolina also has his demons. Look at what he left at Charleston Southern. They had to vacate a lot of wins and the program was put on probation. To his credit Coastal Carolina can play
after watching them beat BYU, the man can coach. But with that in mind I also had concerns about him. These coaches searches are always a gamble. Every year schools hire coaches with head coaching experince and things do not work out. For example Willie Taggart from Oregon to FSU, well we know about that, Florida with Jim McElwain, he was fired, Florida with Ron Zook, The coach at Michigan who got fired and Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh, Clemson hired Tommy Bowden from Tulane, well we know how that turned out. So do not tell me that hiring someone with head coaching experience is a good
situation. IT IS ALWAYS A GAMBLE 50-50. THERE IS NO PERFECT FORMULA for hiring a head coach. It is always a gamble. I think for all the reasons with Beamer I think it was a good choice. Hopefully
it will turn out to be the right one. Look at Sam Pittman at Arkansas, he was the ol coach at UGA and look at what he has done at Arkansas. So in my opinion with everything about Beamer, experience,
coaching at several division 1 schools, his character, the players knowing what kind of coach he is and how he not only cares about them as a person but a football player, yes USC in my opinion got it
right. If you do not agree. That is fine, but frankly this is my opinion and frankly I stand behind Tanner, Caslen and the BOT 100%.

The ONLY thing I take exception to is the thread title. You state it as though it's a fact, but we won't know that for a few years.

 

[iohbird]

Who is the proven lover that you mention?

Sorry, should say loser - autocorrected.

 

[SOSUSC]

As I am about to write this post I know there are some that have different opinions. Well I have mine and if you don't like it, that is fine. I frankly do not care. But honestly my intuition told me that there was
something that was not right about Billy Napier. I do not know what it is, but how Napier handled the end of the game the other night confirmed my intuition. Come on. That right there to me was a red
flag and frankly I never heard Napier say "USC" was his dream job. "Never". I think he wanted the job to maybe help himself to an NFL job. His demeanor told me a lot as well. Finally I do not know what went
on in the locker room at Clemson 10 years ago but he and Dabo Swinney got into a really bad fight. I have my concerns about someone getting into a fight, he should have been man enough to walk away.
The next morning Dabo fired him. I know that was 10 years ago and that is water under the bridge. Beamer was at USC and he recruited the players that won a lot of games. Players know players and
players know coaches. There were too many former players who spoke up for Beamer, supporters and people in the community. Shane has been on coaching staffs from VA Tech, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma.
I know he knows how to run a program and I feel like I know he knows what it takes to win at a high level. Trust me if he didn't you would have heard from his peers either as anonymous sources, or a source.
The coach at Coastal Carolina also has his demons. Look at what he left at Charleston Southern. They had to vacate a lot of wins and the program was put on probation. To his credit Coastal Carolina can play
after watching them beat BYU, the man can coach. But with that in mind I also had concerns about him. These coaches searches are always a gamble. Every year schools hire coaches with head coaching experince and things do not work out. For example Willie Taggart from Oregon to FSU, well we know about that, Florida with Jim McElwain, he was fired, Florida with Ron Zook, The coach at Michigan who got fired and Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh, Clemson hired Tommy Bowden from Tulane, well we know how that turned out. So do not tell me that hiring someone with head coaching experience is a good
situation. IT IS ALWAYS A GAMBLE 50-50. THERE IS NO PERFECT FORMULA for hiring a head coach. It is always a gamble. I think for all the reasons with Beamer I think it was a good choice. Hopefully
it will turn out to be the right one. Look at Sam Pittman at Arkansas, he was the ol coach at UGA and look at what he has done at Arkansas. So in my opinion with everything about Beamer, experience,
coaching at several division 1 schools, his character, the players knowing what kind of coach he is and how he not only cares about them as a person but a football player, yes USC in my opinion got it
right. If you do not agree. That is fine, but frankly this is my opinion and frankly I stand behind Tanner, Caslen and the BOT 100%.

You can make an argument for Beamer but it is weak.

If Beamer is as good as you say he is why was he not pursued by any other P5 School? Zippo. What does Beamer bring to the table? Like I said the affection of his former players? That just does not cut it. Even Muschamp has the affection of his former players. The only other School that had discussions with Beamer was Old Dominion and they did not want him. BTW, It is not 50-50 with a hiring. Matt Campbell, Jamey Chadwell - all not 50-50.

Following the Clemson model? Not every position coach is a Dabo. You hire the best coach available. Beamer is touted as a great recruiter. That was when Spurrier was here. Players came, not really to play for Beamer, but for Spurrier. Idiotic to think otherwise.

What he does bring is a zero buyout if he needs to be canned. That should not be a criterion in his hiring. Are we paying the price for Ray's incompetence?? A zero buyout clause will scare the best coordinators from joining Beamer. Has Ray given that thought?

 

[LBGCOCK]

Examples can be given to fit most any narrative. You support the hire and thats completely fine and good.
You've also presented your argument for Beamer in a very "political endorsement" fashion though, sort of ignoring or not giving proper weight to some of the potential shortcomings of this hire.
It feels very lazy, good ol boy network in nature, emotional - "player's favorite"/"its his dream job", and just silly to think he is the most qualified guy to take this job - that's how I currently perceive it.
I'm going to choose to support him and continue to love my Gamecocks - why not at this point?

Just going by everything you said, why do you love your Gamecocks? That’s too emotional isn’t it?

 

[Lurker123]

Following the Clemson model? Not every position coach is a Dabo.

Well, hitting the lottery jackpot is so common, everyone should count on it as their retirement plan, right?

 

[rgamecock1]

The mere fact that you “stand behind Tanner, Carlen and the BOT 100%” shows that you are sadly misguided. Do you also stand behind the safety of the Titanic?

Look i have no idea who in the world you are but i am not misguided. The titanic was a disaster like people like you who have no clue about leadership. I would love to see your path in life. You have probably filed for bankruptcy, filed for a divorce and are probably on some kind of social disease. Be careful about your words.

 

[king ward]

Nothing will be determined today.

 

[CCUIrmo]

I hope Breamer wins a ton of games and championship here. But don't expect that announcement to generate a lot of excitement or sell a lot of season tickets next year. Maybe it will turn out to be the right decision, but this is a ho-hum hire.

I think excitement will come more so when we see the staff he hires and style of ball we will look to play.

 

[rgamecock1]

You can make an argument for Beamer but it is weak.

If Beamer is as good as you say he is why was he not pursued by any other P5 School? Zippo. What does Beamer bring to the table? Like I said the affection of his former players? That just does not cut it. Even Muschamp has the affection of his former players. The only other School that had discussions with Beamer was Old Dominion and they did not want him. BTW, It is not 50-50 with a hiring. Matt Campbell, Jamey Chadwell - all not 50-50.

Following the Clemson model? Not every position coach is a Dabo. You hire the best coach available. Beamer is touted as a great recruiter. That was when Spurrier was here. Players came, not really to play for Beamer, but for Spurrier. Idiotic to think otherwise.

What he does bring is a zero buyout if he needs to be canned. That should not be a criterion in his hiring. Are we paying the price for Ray's incompetence?? A zero buyout clause will scare the best coordinators from joining Beamer. Has Ray given that thought?

Man i feel sorry for you. I really do.

 

[rgamecock1]

The ONLY thing I take exception to is the thread title. You state it as though it's a fact, but we won't know that for a few years.

In my opinion it is a fact. Just like we all have opinions of beauty. All in the eye of the beholder. Some women to you are beautiful, to other people they are just normal. The one thing we all have in common is our passion for the University and the Gamecocks.

 

[SOSUSC]

Man i feel sorry for you. I really do.

Thank you for your sorrow.Misdirected. Feel sorry for the U of SC.

 

[rgamecock1]

Thank you for your sorrow.Misdirected. Feel sorry for the U of SC.

I will pray for you. You have been misinformed so bad. One thing for sure is that we both care about USC. We just have different views.

 

[mlcarr]

As I am about to write this post I know there are some that have different opinions. Well I have mine and if you don't like it, that is fine. I frankly do not care. But honestly my intuition told me that there was
something that was not right about Billy Napier. I do not know what it is, but how Napier handled the end of the game the other night confirmed my intuition. Come on. That right there to me was a red
flag and frankly I never heard Napier say "USC" was his dream job. "Never". I think he wanted the job to maybe help himself to an NFL job. His demeanor told me a lot as well. Finally I do not know what went
on in the locker room at Clemson 10 years ago but he and Dabo Swinney got into a really bad fight. I have my concerns about someone getting into a fight, he should have been man enough to walk away.
The next morning Dabo fired him. I know that was 10 years ago and that is water under the bridge. Beamer was at USC and he recruited the players that won a lot of games. Players know players and
players know coaches. There were too many former players who spoke up for Beamer, supporters and people in the community. Shane has been on coaching staffs from VA Tech, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma.
I know he knows how to run a program and I feel like I know he knows what it takes to win at a high level. Trust me if he didn't you would have heard from his peers either as anonymous sources, or a source.
The coach at Coastal Carolina also has his demons. Look at what he left at Charleston Southern. They had to vacate a lot of wins and the program was put on probation. To his credit Coastal Carolina can play
after watching them beat BYU, the man can coach. But with that in mind I also had concerns about him. These coaches searches are always a gamble. Every year schools hire coaches with head coaching experince and things do not work out. For example Willie Taggart from Oregon to FSU, well we know about that, Florida with Jim McElwain, he was fired, Florida with Ron Zook, The coach at Michigan who got fired and Michigan hired Jim Harbaugh, Clemson hired Tommy Bowden from Tulane, well we know how that turned out. So do not tell me that hiring someone with head coaching experience is a good
situation. IT IS ALWAYS A GAMBLE 50-50. THERE IS NO PERFECT FORMULA for hiring a head coach. It is always a gamble. I think for all the reasons with Beamer I think it was a good choice. Hopefully
it will turn out to be the right one. Look at Sam Pittman at Arkansas, he was the ol coach at UGA and look at what he has done at Arkansas. So in my opinion with everything about Beamer, experience,
coaching at several division 1 schools, his character, the players knowing what kind of coach he is and how he not only cares about them as a person but a football player, yes USC in my opinion got it
right. If you do not agree. That is fine, but frankly this is my opinion and frankly I stand behind Tanner, Caslen and the BOT 100%.

 

[mlcarr]

For it right up the a$$ alright

 

[rgamecock1]

For it right up the a$$ alright

Boy this says a lot about your character. Well you need some help real bad. I feel sorry for you.

 

[JGH 35]

I don't think any of you guys really understand really what just happened here. Let this sink in: We just paid $13 million for the distinct honor and privilege of hiring Shane Beamer. This is the absolute stupidest business decision I've ever heard of. Ray Tanner walked into a Lamborghini dealership, plopped down $500k and drove off in a used Toyota.

We paid $13 million to get rid of Will Muschamp only to hire a "Sparky Woods." Actually, we didn't even hire a Sparky Woods. Sparky Woods would have at least met the very first requirement that Tanner proclaimed early on. He said he wanted a coach with HC experience. Beamer doesn't even meet his FIRST requirement. Tanner's gotta go. He is just totally incompetent.

 

[rgamecock1]

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I don't think any of you guys really understand really what just happened here. Let this sink in: We just paid $13 million for the distinct honor and privilege of hiring Shane Beamer. This is the absolute stupidest business decision I've ever heard of. Ray Tanner walked into a Lamborghini dealership, plopped down $500k and drove off in a used Toyota.

We paid $13 million to get rid of Will Muschamp only to hire a "Sparky Woods." Actually, we didn't even hire a Sparky Woods. Sparky Woods would have at least met the very first requirement that Tanner proclaimed early on. He said he wanted a coach with HC experience. Beamer doesn't even meet his FIRST requirement. Tanner's gotta go. He is just totally incompetent.

Maybe you should fine another job. I would love to look at your yearly evaluation on job performance. I know you would not want to share that. Anyway yes you are entitled to your opinion, i may not agree with it but yes you are entitled to your opinion.