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Any resident leftist want to explain this war on Hydroxychloroquine? Is it because two democrats OD’d on fish tank cleaner? Hit piece after hit piece on this drug. I’ve never seen anything quite this partisan, especially about something that’s potentially life saving. Almost like the elites need a new drug(more expensive) to profit off of, considering Hydroxychloroquine is very cheap.

If you’re on your death bed, own trump by refusing the number one drug for this virus.


https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/
 
I trust the Stormy Daniels guy over Dr. Fauci.

I like the guy, but he's not infallible. He's had to amend previous statements and projections that he's made. I'm fine with that. That's science. You learn more information so you revise things. But if Trump ever has to go back an amend a previous statement, it's a major news story.
 
10k patients have been dosed with hydroxychloroquine! Only 7 have died! That's 0.07%! The drug is working while the idiots that want to keep this shutdown going for political reasons are doing their best to cover it up

Indications are it's working for some. But since something like 98+% recover anyway, more testing is needed.

No one is against using the drug if a doctor prescribes it for a patient. Given it's side effects, not everyone can take it - which is true for many drugs.
 
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I trust the Stormy Daniels guy over Dr. Fauci.
You’re still buying that media concocted “Trump v. Fauci “ nonsense?

"If you're a doctor listening to me right now and a patient with coronavirus feels like they want to try that," Stigall asked, "and you're their doctor, you're not Anthony Fauci the guy running the coronavirus task force, would you say 'alright, we'll give it a whirl'?"

"Yeah, of course, particularly if people have no other option," Fauci said. "These drugs are approved drugs for other reasons. They're anti-malaria drugs, and they're drugs against certain autoimmune diseases like lupus. Physicians throughout the country can prescribe that in an off-label way. Which means they can write it for something it was not approved for."

https://townhall.com/columnists/lar...ne-to-patient-suffering-from-covid19-n2565678
 
Anyone notice how much the narrative has shifted?
"chloroquine will kill people"
"chloroquine doesn't work"
"chloroquine might work, but Trump might make money"

Never mind the drug has been around since the 1940's, has no patent, and is made by many different manufacturers.
Exactly. Here’s a tweet from far left lunatic Joy Reid.


Trumps financial ties to a generic Hyrdroxychloroquine manufacturer is minuscule. He own $450 worth of the company. But leave it to the fake news to blow that up.
 
Please. This is a fairly harmless drug that has been around for decades. And if you listen to many, it actually works in this case. At worst case scenario, it doesn't hurt anything. But like most things, this has become a political football. One gets the feeling that the majority of the press is almost hoping this deal will be as bad as it can possibly be, and totally tank the economy in the process, as they feel they could hang the blame on Trump in hopes that he wouldn't be re-elected. As far as Fauci, he is a typical medical type. Would like us to shelter in place until not one person on earth has the slightest of symptoms, or a fool proof vaccine is developed. That sounds great, but by that point our country would be the financial equal of Rawanda. At some point somebody is going to have to put on their big boy pants and decide what are acceptable risks. More die in this country every day from heart issues, cancer, car wrecks. But that is just viewed as normal cycle of life, and we forge on. But we have entered into such a political age that the political agenda is more important than the common good
 
I like the guy, but he's not infallible. He's had to amend previous statements and projections that he's made. I'm fine with that. That's science. You learn more information so you revise things. But if Trump ever has to go back an amend a previous statement, it's a major news story.
Let me know the first time he ever amends a statement. He was asked many times about previous statements he made, on TV, and he denied making them. He's a pathological liar.
 
Let me know the first time he ever amends a statement. He was asked many times about previous statements he made, on TV, and he denied making them. He's a pathological liar.
Sounds like you're talking about Biden or Obama. You can keep your doctor, your health costs will go down 2500 dollars. I don't know anything about Benghazi. Heard that before, talking point guys?
 
Any resident leftist want to explain this war on Hydroxychloroquine? Is it because two democrats OD’d on fish tank cleaner? Hit piece after hit piece on this drug. I’ve never seen anything quite this partisan, especially about something that’s potentially life saving. Almost like the elites need a new drug(more expensive) to profit off of, considering Hydroxychloroquine is very cheap.

If you’re on your death bed, own trump by refusing the number one drug for this virus.


https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/

Maxine Waters has never accomplished a single good thing in her life. Her existence has been a waste.
 
You’re still buying that media concocted “Trump v. Fauci “ nonsense?


I don’t know.

I drove to the hardware store to pick up some fencing products around 1:30 or so and heard a bit of Rush Limbaugh and he was blasting Fauci.

He was reading some letter from some doctor somewhere that was blasting Fauci.

Rush said Fauci was a Hillary Clinton fan who was trying to hurt Trump. Of course he was making that up and lying but he was focused on that narrative.
 
Please. This is a fairly harmless drug that has been around for decades. And if you listen to many, it actually works in this case. At worst case scenario, it doesn't hurt anything. But like most things, this has become a political football. One gets the feeling that the majority of the press is almost hoping this deal will be as bad as it can possibly be, and totally tank the economy in the process, as they feel they could hang the blame on Trump in hopes that he wouldn't be re-elected. As far as Fauci, he is a typical medical type. Would like us to shelter in place until not one person on earth has the slightest of symptoms, or a fool proof vaccine is developed. That sounds great, but by that point our country would be the financial equal of Rawanda. At some point somebody is going to have to put on their big boy pants and decide what are acceptable risks. More die in this country every day from heart issues, cancer, car wrecks. But that is just viewed as normal cycle of life, and we forge on. But we have entered into such a political age that the political agenda is more important than the common good

Great post! On average 421 people died per day in NYC in 2019. Everyone should keep that in mind every day the numbers from NYC are reported. 1 death is obviously too many, but the media is sensationalizing what is occurring.
 
Any resident leftist want to explain this war on Hydroxychloroquine? Is it because two democrats OD’d on fish tank cleaner? Hit piece after hit piece on this drug. I’ve never seen anything quite this partisan, especially about something that’s potentially life saving. Almost like the elites need a new drug(more expensive) to profit off of, considering Hydroxychloroquine is very cheap.

If you’re on your death bed, own trump by refusing the number one drug for this virus.


https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/

As reviewed in "Of Chloroquine and COVID-19,"
  • "To date, no acute virus infection has been successfully treated by chloroquine in humans." It failed to treat flu or dengue in humans.
  • For chronic viruses, the results in HIV have been inconclusive, and the results with hepatitis C have been so slight that it's never become part of a standard protocol.
  • Although chloroquine has been shown to be antiviral in vitro against SARS-CoV-2, the cause of COVID-19, it also proved antiviral in vitro against chikungunya virus, yet acted as a proviral in living mice. This might be because it can suppress the immune system and might relate to the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for autoimmune disorders. Could it also make COVID-19 worse?
  • Despite the widespread use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19, there are as yet no randomized controlled trials clearly showing it is effective.
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A "Systematic Review on the Efficacy and Safety of Chloroquine for the Treatment of COVID-19" suggested similar caution. The authors performed a comprehensive search for everything related to the topic and found very little that had already been published: an in vitro study, two letters, a consensus panel of Chinese experts, a Dutch national guideline, and an Italian national guideline. 23 Chinese trials had been registered, but as of March 10 when this was published, none of the data had been released.

That the expert opinion was running far ahead of the data is demonstrated in this quote from the paper:

A narrative letter by Chinese authors reported that a news briefing from the State Council of China had indicated that “Chloroquine phosphate… had demonstrated marked efficacy and acceptable safety in treating COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicentre clinical trials conducted in China.” The authors also stated that these findings came from “more than 100 patients” included in the trials. We sought for evidence of such data in the trial registries we reviewed and found none.

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A non-randomized French trial of hydroxychloroquine suggested the drug virologically cured 15 out of 26 people, while it nauseated one, put three in ICU, and killed one. Because it wasn't randomized, it isn't clear whether the cure or the worsening represent true effects of the drug, but if we are to regard the cure as a real effect, we also have to regard the worsening as a real effect, suggesting that if it works it might have a high risk profile.

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A Chinese randomized controlled trial found no difference at all between the use of hydroxychloroquine and standard treatment. The standard treatment was bed rest, oxygen inhalation, symptomatic support, neubulized interferon, lopinavir and ritonavir (two antivirals), and, when necessary, antibacterials. The two antivirals in the standard treatment have also been shown to have no effect against another "standard treatment" in another randomized trial.

In that trial, the standard care was supplemental oxygen, ventilation, antibiotic agents, vasopressor support, renal-replacement therapy, and extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO). So, none of the antivirals did anything beyond the oxygen therapy and other support in the list.

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The World Health Organization is launching a multinational set of trials testing the efficacy of interferon, chloroquine, lopinavir, and ritonavir. This should provide us with some information, but right now a lot of things are being thrown at COVID-19 with no clear evidence they are effective.

That WHO is launching this trial should also help allay rational fears that Chinese data can't be trusted. After all, China just expelled all the American journalists, so it's clear the Chinese government doesn't value transparency around the COVID-19 situation.

Is hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine effective?
Based on the literature, 50/50 at best. Likely a genetic story.
 
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I trust the Stormy Daniels guy over Dr. Fauci.
He has been in this position for multiple administrations over decades and is one of the foremost experts on infectious diseases in the WORLD who has been one of the only voices of reason in the Government during this entire mess... but you trust a lying whore over him? Idiotic statement.
 
He has been in this position for multiple administrations over decades and is one of the foremost experts on infectious diseases in the WORLD who has been one of the only voices of reason in the Government during this entire mess... but you trust a lying whore over him? Idiotic statement.
I think that was sarcasm, man.
 
Any resident leftist want to explain this war on Hydroxychloroquine? Is it because two democrats OD’d on fish tank cleaner? Hit piece after hit piece on this drug. I’ve never seen anything quite this partisan, especially about something that’s potentially life saving. Almost like the elites need a new drug(more expensive) to profit off of, considering Hydroxychloroquine is very cheap.

If you’re on your death bed, own trump by refusing the number one drug for this virus.


https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/
The Post? Who are you going to quote next, the National Enquirer?
 
Any resident leftist want to explain this war on Hydroxychloroquine? Is it because two democrats OD’d on fish tank cleaner? Hit piece after hit piece on this drug. I’ve never seen anything quite this partisan, especially about something that’s potentially life saving. Almost like the elites need a new drug(more expensive) to profit off of, considering Hydroxychloroquine is very cheap.

If you’re on your death bed, own trump by refusing the number one drug for this virus.


https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/

The drug is showing a lot of promise. Three issues.

1. Trump touted its efficacy. That in itself is a no-no with the Left,
2. It is cheap to manufacture. India manufactures HCL by the millions. Big Pharma does not like this. Where's the profit?
3. It can be used as a prophylactic. But the trials (with controls) are still ongoing. Purists would like to wait.

Two powerful forces are against it - the Left and Big Pharma. Look at CNN, MSNBC. I am apolitical, but the bias from one side is obvious. On the other hand, Trump shows little talent in handling reporter questions. We do not want lives lost just because of this divide.

The problem is we cannot wait. The side effects are minimal (after 50+ years of use as an anti-malarial drug). What's the harm? If such bull headedness (see (1) and (2)) prevents its use with a loved one who succumbs to COVID-19, someone has to answer!

JMO.
 
Physician telling a Fox News talking head who has also pushed the drug today that a patient went into a fatal heart rhythm after taking Hydroxychloroquine.

This is why controlled, proper studies are needed.

 
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More evidence of a cautionary approach and one for more testing

“The hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combination, "we have already had to stop treatment" announces the head of the cardiology department of the Nice University Hospital”

French hospital halts hydroxychloroquine treatment study due to cardiac side effects

This is a small study so it warrants more testing.




Mayo Clinic cardiologist: 'Inexcusable' to ignore hydroxychloroquine side effects https://apple.news/AbMjuo3sGSgiOgfXeH1JujA

After observing the debate over hydroxychloroquine on TV news and in social media, Dr. Michael Ackerman, a genetic cardiologist who is director of the Mayo Clinic's Windland Smith Rice Genetic Heart Rhythm Clinic, took the unusual step in late March of issuing guidance for physicians.

"What disturbed me the most was when I was seeing not political officials say these medications are safe but seeing on the news cardiologists and infectious disease specialists say" hydroxychloroquine "is completely safe without even mentioning this rare side effect," Ackerman said in an interview.

"That's inexcusable," he added.
 
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Many Doctors across the world are treating covid 19 with hydrochloroquine and Zithromax and seeing positive results.

The left media: UNPROVEN! FAKE! NOT BACKED BY SCIENCE! DOESN'T WORK! DANGEROUS! TRUMP WILL MAKE MONEY ON THIS DRUG!

A 16 year old girl from Sweden says the earth will end in 10 years and we all will die.

The left media: WE MUST LISTEN TO HER NOW!
 
Many Doctors across the world are treating covid 19 with hydrochloroquine and Zithromax and seeing positive results.

The left media: UNPROVEN! FAKE! NOT BACKED BY SCIENCE! DOESN'T WORK! DANGEROUS! TRUMP WILL MAKE MONEY ON THIS DRUG!

A 16 year old girl from Sweden says the earth will end in 10 years and we all will die.

The left media: WE MUST LISTEN TO HER NOW!

It's just weird to me that the left doesn't even want this drug to work. It's not that happen to have data showing it doesn't work and is dangerous. They simply don't want it to work.
 
Many Doctors across the world are treating covid 19 with hydrochloroquine and Zithromax and seeing positive results.

The left media: UNPROVEN! FAKE! NOT BACKED BY SCIENCE! DOESN'T WORK! DANGEROUS! TRUMP WILL MAKE MONEY ON THIS DRUG!

A 16 year old girl from Sweden says the earth will end in 10 years and we all will die.

The left media: WE MUST LISTEN TO HER NOW!


It apparently works for some and doesn’t for others. That’s why testing is needed. NO ONE is against compassionate use of ANY drug.

if I go out in the street and dump a shovel load of rocks in the road and later find a $5 bill on the ground, the rocks in the road didn’t likely cause my new found fortune.

the great majority of people recover from COVID19 anyway.

so we need good testing to determine real cause and effect, not just what some doctors here and there say works. That’s not how medicine works.

this drug has serious, clear, fatal side effects in some people. It’s not as if the side effect is a bd rash. It’s key side effect is it causes electrical Imbalances in the heart. Not exactly a picnic.
and the media is 100% right to point out the difference.
 
LOL, if any of these lefties are on their Covid death bed I bet they will be asking for the Trump cure.

As someone pointed out above this thing only kills about 2% of the people who catch it, 98% recover, this is being way over blown. I am starting to think the government is using this as a chance to make a big power grab of our rights. Wealthy elites are using the bailout to make even more money, the little gigs will pay for it and get nothing in return.
 
LOL, if any of these lefties are on their Covid death bed I bet they will be asking for the Trump cure.

As someone pointed out above this thing only kills about 2% of the people who catch it, 98% recover, this is being way over blown. I am starting to think the government is using this as a chance to make a big power grab of our rights. Wealthy elites are using the bailout to make even more money, the little gigs will pay for it and get nothing in return.

Part of the problem is virtually nobody is self-sufficient any longer. For the most part, we are all dependent on the stock market and our economy etc. So people clamor for government intervention.
 
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LOL, if any of these lefties are on their Covid death bed I bet they will be asking for the Trump cure

im not a leftie on everything but your comment is a non sequitur. it’s now a “Trump cure?” Odd phrase.

if I’m am on my death bed and don’t want to die, I’d try tree bark mushroom surprise if it might help.

but that doesn’t mean my doctors or the medical community should give it to me as a credible cure. That’s the issue.
 
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