We shouldn't have let him get away
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he looks scary in orange, the tide may be about to change for good in the Palmetto State
what, it might become a competitive rivalry again? I think its fair to say he's a good coach but lets not anoint him the second coming of Ray Tanner. Coach Lee inherited an already very good program at CoC and more or less kept them at the same level, I would anticipate he'll do the same at Clemson. He'll have some very good years and some average years, and yes, will beat South Carolina a few times here and there.
We need to worry about Holbrook and if he can't get it done next year, we'll find another coach, there are plenty good ones out there that would sell out for a chance to coach here.
The tide has already turned. You must have blinked. CU rolled you in Football the last time out, out recruited you, beat you best of three in Baseball, went to the tourney...all with the fraction of the money. SC has undeniably had a great run in football and Baseball, to say you haven't been the overall better program would be just stupid. Clemson seems to have had enough and has applied the resources to compete and now exceed. You don't have to agree, this just what I see.he looks scary in orange, the tide may be about to change for good in the Palmetto State
In the modern era of football, you've won once out of the last 6...congrats on that. We still have Spurrier who has pwned Dabo and all you taters know that.
You'll get no argument from me that Spurrier has owned Dabo and Tanner owned Legget. Looking at recent history, those days are in the rear view mirror. I know it's hard to accept, but to not see that Clemson is trending up, well...that's just blind.
Speaking of rear view mirror the day of clem's son beating USC every year are over.
You have to admit his reasoning is unimpeachable. After all, Clemson did roll SC in football. Of course they got rolled the previous five years, but they had a better recruiting class. That's calculus (one win, one good recruiting class) is proof enough where football is concerned.
Baseball - they won their first series in seven years. Boom! Yes, during an historically bad year for SC. And they had such an "undeniably" great run in baseball this year that they fired their coach. Again, put it to bed, boys and girls, the taters are ascendant in baseball because they got the College of Charleston coach. Recruiting? Well, SC is ranked in the top five and Clemson is nowhere to be found in the top 25, but recruiting classes don't count in baseball, just football.
And look at the resources! They're ranked a solid 41 highest grossing athletic departments in 2012-2013. The most recent estimates have them racing up the charts to 39. Sure, that's 17 spots behind South Carolina (#22) but those dollars go A LOT further in Pickens County, people. And sure, sure, the SEC payout is going to blow that advantage even further open, but Clemson has "applied the resources to compete and exceed." Exceeding what I'm not sure. And just wait until Littlejohn gets that new coat of paint. It'll be just like the good old days when Clemson was winning ACC championships in basketball. Oh, right...well, you know what I mean.
To me it's not about beating clem's son every year. But the days of going 2-8 or 3-7 in a decade against them are over and it's not come back.
I think it looks pretty darn sharp on himhe looks scary in orange, the tide may be about to change for good in the Palmetto State
he looks scary in orange, the tide may be about to change for good in the Palmetto State
He's the enemy now. Screw him!
he looks scary in orange, the tide may be about to change for good in the Palmetto State
Looks like he needs to come by my house and empty the other trash cans.
Ray Tanner is not who we're comparing him against. It's Holbrook. I say they have the better coach right now.
I have zero doubt that SC will rise again after this past years setback. The rivalry brings out the check books on both sides. Right now, Clemson seems to be more committed. Several years ago until two years ago, SC seemed to. This is just my take, but seems to be on pulse.
...and you draw this conclusion on one win in the last 6 years and a 2 out 3 one year and a new coach....damn dude...you got them DARK orange glasses on today !
You sure you wanna use that wording? That's very subjective and many people consider the "modern era" to have started at different years. One journalist made the argument that is started in 1973 when NCAA split into 3 divisions. Saturday Down South thinks it should be from 1982 for a few reasons. The last 7 years might be modern for SC fans but not the rest of the country. So lets go with the SEC lovers at SDS and say 1982. That would make the record 20-12-1.
Lee adds something to Clemsux that they never have had, "CLASS."
He will be the only Coach with "CLASS" Clemsux has ever had. It will
be real hard to hate Monte Lee, since he is a EX-Gamecock coach. Good
luck Monte, until you coach against the "GAMECOCKS." If you would have
waited one more year, you might have been the Head Coach of the "COCKS."
He will be the only Coach with "CLASS" Clemsux has ever had. It will
be real hard to hate Monte Lee, since he is a EX-Gamecock coach. Good
luck Monte, until you coach against the "GAMECOCKS." If you would have
waited one more year, you might have been the Head Coach of the "COCKS."
He has his work cut out for next year. His entire weekend rotation has signed or was a Senior. (Crown over and Irwin both signed as Juniors. Duggar signed as well and Krieger is next. Lost two SS to the draft and a catcher from NC opted out of his NLI. May lose one more Lefty to the Yanks as well as well as Schmit's health issues.he looks scary in orange, the tide may be about to change for good in the Palmetto State
Well...seeing that this all happened as recently as possible, I'd say that would be our best indication....like I said, this is only my opinion. Let's be fair though, I didn't see CU beating SC while Shaw, Clowney, DJ and the studs were there. But as I see it, the studs are now in CU's stable and are very, very young.
There are plenty of realistic Gamecocks on this board that see the same thing but refrain from posting at the risk of being labeled a tater, tot or whatever other primary school names can be imagined.
Actually only one year ago that Clemson beat SC, but the Tigers have been trending up for a few years now. Impressive wins vs solid SEC teams, not to mention storied programs like Ohio State and Oklahoma.
I'll stop now. Thought I may get solid discussion but just blind argumentative statements from sidewalk fans. Guess I'll have to buy a SC Rivals subscription to talk to realistic , educated Gamecocks. It's not just you guys though, our Clemson freeloaders are just as blind...good day guys.
Perhaps. But honestly, could Clemson even survive if the Gamecocks reeled off another 5 in a row? Saying those days are over isn't really saying much. You are absolutely right that a team shouldn't get beat by its arch rival 5 times in a row very often. Honestly, if that happened very often, you couldn't even call it a rivalry very long. It's pretty rare that a coach survives a 5 game losing streak to his rival, but somehow Dabo did. Even Clemson wouldn't let him do that again.
he looks scary in orange, the tide may be about to change for good in the Palmetto State
Monte Lee is nothing special. Chad is better.
What is the modern era of football? Since the smart phone was invented? Televisions? Computers? Electricity? Ummmmm, the "modern era" didn't start in 09 there buddy.
I thought it was a fairly reasonable discussion. You just define "trend" differently than we do. Typically, you have to have a moving sample size greater than one to establish a trend. Even the greatest bull markets in the history of the Dow saw a few days here and there with retreats. But you don't hear stock analysts talking about a "trend" after a single trading session. If we looked at our football and baseball programs based on 5-year moving averages, we would still conclude that the Gamecocks are trending higher than the Tigers - just not as drastically as they were a year ago when they couldn't even be charted on the same page.
ray tanner turned the tide of our baseball rivalry, id say that's exactly who we're comparing him to. too early to tell on Lee in my opinion, he didnt take coc to new heights.
When you say educated Gamecocks you mean the 1s who kiss up to you. I give Clemson all the credit for beating us last year. But you're kidding yourself if you think "the tide has turned," with 1 win. 3-6 in the last 9.
some of those wins vs 'storied programs' are a joke. we're talking 5,6 loss teams you beat...dont go dabo on us preaching greatness now.
clemson has shaken the propensity to lose to the bottom feeders of the acc but aside from that, they are still woefully terrible about blowing big games. I don't exactly call that trending up.
