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Welp, now that the season is over I guess I can talk about old Final Four Frank. Yep, just...

One could argue that SC going to the Final 4 last year hurt Frank more then help. Now the expectations of the fan base is to at least make it to the dance every year...when in reality this program makes it about once every 6 to 7 years. Look at our baseball program...it WS or bust with fan base.
 
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Wow, it's funny how stupid some of you people are. Next season when we have almost our whole team back plus Felder, Bowen and Couisnard and with a whole year of conditioning and training, I'm going to be smiling thinking back to what you shortsighted dumbasses were saying. Frankly I'm with Frank, the best coach we've ever had and one of the top coaches in the country today.
 
Maybe we just need to realize that our program is going to have some ups-and-downs. We aren't Duke, Kentucky, or UNC...we won't be able to just reload with 5-star talent every year.
Was I happy with the overall result this season? No. But I had a feeling that something like this could happen; we just didn't have enough talent this year to expect much better.
And yeah, that's Frank's fault. He has to recruit better and more consistently. But I'm hoping to see a much stronger class signed in 2019 and MAYBE that will start a series of even stronger recruiting classes.
If not..if Frank keeps finishing a few games above .500 and missing the post-season...I'd imagine Ray will be forced to make a move.
 
Wow, it's funny how stupid some of you people are. Next season when we have almost our whole team back plus Felder, Bowen and Couisnard and with a whole year of conditioning and training, I'm going to be smiling thinking back to what you shortsighted dumbasses were saying. Frankly I'm with Frank, the best coach we've ever had and one of the top coaches in the country today.
I hope you’re right. Everybody does. But just curious. Were you equally confident this far into the tenures of Brad, Horn and the last baseball coach?
 
Ya'll keep talking about our bball history and how FFF has done more than anyone else we've had. So? He's still not a good coach. Just because he's better than the other bad coaches we've had doesn't' mean he should have a free pass at mediocrity for eternity here. But ya'll are so desperate that you'll cling to a ratty life preserver when, if you'll just swim 20 or 30 feet, you can climb into a safe, dry boat.
 
Wow, it's funny how stupid some of you people are. Next season when we have almost our whole team back plus Felder, Bowen and Couisnard and with a whole year of conditioning and training, I'm going to be smiling thinking back to what you shortsighted dumbasses were saying. Frankly I'm with Frank, the best coach we've ever had and one of the top coaches in the country today.
Bowen? Keeping my fingers crossed...but after the latest disclosures, it's not looking too promising.
 
And make fun of me and others that want Marshall all you want, but all of you people or at least 95% of you would trade FFF for Marshall straight up in a heartbeat, and you're not being honest if you say otherwise.
 
And make fun of me and others that want Marshall all you want, but all of you people or at least 95% of you would trade FFF for Marshall straight up in a heartbeat, and you're not being honest if you say otherwise.
That ship (Marshall) has sailed I'm afraid. At least that's my understanding.
 
With the final four run in his back pocket, now is not the time to be shoving Frank out the door, but I do think Frank needs to evaluate his assistant coaches and since as some on here have said; that he is not a good recruiter then he needs to add 1 or more coaches that are monsters on the recruiting trail. Do it while the shine of the final four run still hangs over us, because in about 2 more years it will be as if that run happened in the stone age to these 18 yr old high school kids, not to mention ole miss and Georgia are looking for coaches, and I'm hearing Thad Matta to ole miss (we all know he can recruit), and Tom Crean to Georgia (good coach, combined with the talent that comes out of Georgia year to year, scary) don't know if that's who they'll hire, but if they do the situation becomes a dire one.

I am hopeful that the recently-hired Chuck Martin will pay dividends in that area.
 
i just wanna know 3 things....how many times have we ever been to the final 4? how many times have we been to the bog dance? and how many other coaches have had 4 straight winning seasons? just curious....and also, are you a fan of that other coach that I keep hearing about? are you guys new at this? seriously...answer those questions and you will know why most people think yall are nuts
This is way better than playing a few basketball games in mid-late March.
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...just like I predicted, another season of typical FFF basketball. Lots of yelling and no meaningful results. This is how it will be 90% of the time as long as he roams the sidelines. Hey, ya'll remember when we beat Kentucky and won at Florida this year? Took down them Auburn Tigers too. Ya'll at least have that to keep you warm until next season's march to mediocrity continues.

Man, six seasons with four of them having losing records in the SEC, five without making the NCAA tourney. Yes, that's a real program he's building here. Clearly, we are on a sustainable path to improvement and didn't just get hot and fluke into the Final 4 at all. I'll bet that all of his projects will be improved enough in another 5 years that they'll be able to stagger down the court just enough to slip into the postseason again. That's a real program right there! And you know with his recruiting track record he''s just going to reel in every big time player in a talented in state class this year. How can you argue with the results?

I'm a low paid, unskilled worker. I would be willing to do Frank's job for a tenth of what he's charging you Frankbots. I can yell, scowl, recruit poorly and coach boring basketball at a discount. But I know, he fluked into that Final 4 last year, so it'll be okay if he only makes the tourney once in ten years. We shouldn't aspire to more. All I know is, this type of season is what we'll typically get with FFF as our coach. I don't expect Final 4's every year. I would expect to make the tourney more than once a decade though. Oh well, now FFF can go off and do whatever it is he does during the postseason. I'd imagine it's probably swimming in a pile of money like Scrooge McDuck while laughing at the Frankbots.

Someday, maybe....someday.....

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But but but. We went to the final four lol btw. Your post is dead on
 
i just wanna know 3 things....how many times have we ever been to the final 4? how many times have we been to the bog dance? and how many other coaches have had 4 straight winning seasons? just curious....and also, are you a fan of that other coach that I keep hearing about? are you guys new at this? seriously...answer those questions and you will know why most people think yall are nuts
I just want to know one thing. Not three. How many times has Martin taken sc to the big dance?? Exactly
 
Wow, it's funny how stupid some of you people are. Next season when we have almost our whole team back plus Felder, Bowen and Couisnard and with a whole year of conditioning and training, I'm going to be smiling thinking back to what you shortsighted dumbasses were saying. Frankly I'm with Frank, the best coach we've ever had and one of the top coaches in the country today.
Hahahahahahaha.
 
You left out uneducated and petty. And show us where you predicted this.
I seem to recall him saying that we would have a losing record and only win 3 or 4 conference games. He was wrong but just because we didn't make it into the postseason he thinks he is some kind of genius.
 
I just want to know one thing. Not three. How many times has Martin taken sc to the big dance?? Exactly
I don't want to just make it to the dance. I'd like to win once we get there and right now, Frank Martin is tied for 1st in NCAA tournament wins at USC. Frank McGuire who was the greatest basketball coach to ever coach at USC only had 4 tournament wins over his entire career at USC. In just his 5th season, Frank tied him. This season was a step back but with the majority of the team coming back and hopefully better pg play next season we should be right back in the thick of things. As bad as the situation was this season we still finished with a winning record. If the worst he will do from here on out is finish above .500 that's not so bad as long as it's not a trend. I say we win at least 20 games next season.
 
Wow, it's funny how stupid some of you people are. Next season when we have almost our whole team back plus Felder, Bowen and Couisnard and with a whole year of conditioning and training, I'm going to be smiling thinking back to what you shortsighted dumbasses were saying. Frankly I'm with Frank, the best coach we've ever had and one of the top coaches in the country today.

Couisnard is a 3 star true freshman. Bowen will never suit up for Carolina. It's going to be worse than you think.

I love Frank to death, he's an amazing all around human being and his wife is just as sweet as she could be, but OP is right. We really screwed the pooch with Marshall, TWICE.
 
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Maybe we just need to realize that our program is going to have some ups-and-downs. We aren't Duke, Kentucky, or UNC...we won't be able to just reload with 5-star talent every year.
Was I happy with the overall result this season? No. But I had a feeling that something like this could happen; we just didn't have enough talent this year to expect much better.
And yeah, that's Frank's fault. He has to recruit better and more consistently. But I'm hoping to see a much stronger class signed in 2019 and MAYBE that will start a series of even stronger recruiting classes.
If not..if Frank keeps finishing a few games above .500 and missing the post-season...I'd imagine Ray will be forced to make a move.


We can't we be UNC, Kentucky, or Duke? The women's team just won a national title and reload with talent every year. I don't want to hear that excuse. Excuses are for losers.
 
Two things Martin said this year that pretty much sum up why he’s such a divisive figure.

1. “I’m not playing zone. I don’t care if we lose. I’m not playing zone...”

He went on to talk about courage and bad technique. What was clear is that the guys didn’t have the athletic talent to play his defense scheme, and this comes off like a public shaming to embarrass. As the season went on, he played more zone. Probably not enough.

2. Reported: Martin said during the last two practices they didn’t work on offense.

What? Your team is terrible on offense. They’ve been a bad offensive team for the entire time you’ve coached here. Solution? Don’t practice offense at all. Brilliant.
 
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Two things Martin said this year that pretty much sum up why he’s such a divisive figure.

1. “I’m not playing zone. I don’t care if we lose. I’m not playing zone...”

He went on to talk about courage and bad technique. What was clear is that the guys didn’t have the athletic talent to play his defense scheme, and this comes off like a public shaming to embarrass. As the season went on, he played more zone. Probably not enough.

2. Reported: Martin said during the last two practices they didn’t work on offense.

What? Your team is terrible on offense. They’ve been a bad offensive team for the entire time you’ve coached her. Solution? Don’t practice offense at all. Brilliant.
Well, there goes any comparisons to Coach Knight.
 
We can't we be UNC, Kentucky, or Duke? The women's team just won a national title and reload with talent every year. I don't want to hear that excuse. Excuses are for losers.
Right now, no...we can't be UNC, Kentucky, or Duke. It will take time, work, success, and some luck to get to that point. If you think stating that we aren't in a position to go out and reload every year with All-Americans is just an excuse then I don't know what else to tell you.
 
Right now, no...we can't be UNC, Kentucky, or Duke. It will take time, work, success, and some luck to get to that point. If you think stating that we aren't in a position to go out and reload every year with All-Americans is just an excuse then I don't know what else to tell you.

So how did Dawn Staley do it with a perennial cellar dweller? She can sell a program, there is no reason why we can't find a coach that can do the same in men's basketball.

You don't need years of building in basketball. 2-3 of the right players come aboard and you can compete for a national title.

I love Frank and have stated it multiple times. He's our coach NOW and I support the hell out of him. But one tourney appearance every 5 years is not going to cut it. He's also stubborn as crap when it comes to recruiting.
 
And those years the fans had a loser mentality. Just, No.
I never saw a fan suit up to play a game. The players on the court were the culprits. Their play did not warrant fan support. Few coaches in that period were simply not capable of recruiting players good enough to win big. Martin has raised the excitement level. You got anybody in mind you would guarantee would have done better?
 
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So how did Dawn Staley do it with a perennial cellar dweller? She can sell a program, there is no reason why we can't find a coach that can do the same in men's basketball.

You don't need years of building in basketball. 2-3 of the right players come aboard and you can compete for a national title.

I love Frank and have stated it multiple times. He's our coach NOW and I support the hell out of him. But one tourney appearance every 5 years is not going to cut it. He's also stubborn as crap when it comes to recruiting.
How so? Do you know his recruiting model? Does he not make offers to the best players in the State and surrounding states?
 
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Ya'll keep talking about our bball history and how FFF has done more than anyone else we've had. So? He's still not a good coach. Just because he's better than the other bad coaches we've had doesn't' mean he should have a free pass at mediocrity for eternity here. But ya'll are so desperate that you'll cling to a ratty life preserver when, if you'll just swim 20 or 30 feet, you can climb into a safe, dry boat.

Give me the name of the safe dry boat (coach) you think we’re going to get.
 
Give me the name of the safe dry boat (coach) you think we’re going to get.
I believe he's referring to Marshall. The Marshall loons are out in full force since we didn't follow up our FF run with a national championship; Because, you know, we're a perennial power now and should never lose another game, and wouldn't if Greg Marshall were here.
 
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How so? Do you know his recruiting model? Does he not make offers to the best players in the State and surrounding states?

Basically, he said he doesn't go after many McDonald All-Americans because he doesn't want a program full one and dones. His system takes an entire collegiate career to develop so he only wants to recruit 'his' type of players. That's why he brings in so many projects. He simply looks at big time recruits as a waste of time. Yes, he is trying to bring in Bowen, but he's not trying to fill a team out with one and dones like National Championship winning coach Calipari does.
 
I never saw a fan suit up to play a game. The players on the court were the culprits. Their play did not warrant fan support. Few coaches in that period were simply not capable of recruiting players good enough to win big. Martin has raised the excitement level. You got anybody in mind you would guarantee would have done better?

It all starts with the fanbase. Accepting mediocrity is a trickle down effect.
 
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I believe he's referring to Marshall. The Marshall loons are out in full force since we didn't follow up our FF run with a national championship; Because, you know, we're a perennial power now and should never lose another game, and wouldn't if Greg Marshall were here.

We are not a perennial power, and never will be under FFF. We will be what we have been with him....a team that will make the tourney maybe every six or seven years. Ya'll better keep them Final Fluke t-shirts ya'll loaded up on in good shape, because 4 years from now when mediocre Martin has led this program to one tourney appearance in ten seasons those memories are all you will have.
 
I don't want to just make it to the dance. I'd like to win once we get there and right now, Frank Martin is tied for 1st in NCAA tournament wins at USC. Frank McGuire who was the greatest basketball coach to ever coach at USC only had 4 tournament wins over his entire career at USC. In just his 5th season, Frank tied him. This season was a step back but with the majority of the team coming back and hopefully better pg play next season we should be right back in the thick of things. As bad as the situation was this season we still finished with a winning record. If the worst he will do from here on out is finish above .500 that's not so bad as long as it's not a trend. I say we win at least 20 games next season.
Not quite a fair comparison. Back then, far fewer teams went to the tourney. We were in the ACC. Only the ACC tournament champion was invited. One year, we went undefeated in the ACC during the season and made it to the championship game (in Greensboro as usual) and lost to NC State in double overtime when Roche played with a severely sprained ankle. It's subjective, to be sure, but I'll take McGuire over Martin any day.
 
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So how did Dawn Staley do it with a perennial cellar dweller? She can sell a program, there is no reason why we can't find a coach that can do the same in men's basketball.

You don't need years of building in basketball. 2-3 of the right players come aboard and you can compete for a national title.

I love Frank and have stated it multiple times. He's our coach NOW and I support the hell out of him. But one tourney appearance every 5 years is not going to cut it. He's also stubborn as crap when it comes to recruiting.
Actually it can take years to build in men's basketball and you can't compare it to women's bball. They're not nearly on the same level but I will say we were very fortunate to get Dawn Staley. As for men's basketball, we are in the middle of the ACC recruiting territory and it's very difficult to convince young men to come to South Carolina. Just look at how many players we have missed out on just in the Columbia area and it's always been that way. They would rather play for the UNCs of the world. A lot of it has to do with perception and USC is perceived as an inferior school when it comes to basketball. It will take a good stretch of success before we can begin to recruit on that level. The culture around the program has to change and that can't be changed overnight.
 
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I seem to recall him saying that we would have a losing record and only win 3 or 4 conference games. He was wrong but just because we didn't make it into the postseason he thinks he is some kind of genius.

Your memory fails you. I said we would have a losing SEC record and likely have a barely winning record but not make the tourney. I don't claim to be some kind of genius, and I don't have to be to see what we will get with FFF. Six seasons here and five of them are bad or boring. Trust the coaches though, right?
 
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