We're cleaning house on Defense. Another transfer
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Wow, good luck Blake McClain. We hardly knew ya. It doesn't make sense to recruit these guys and run them off after only one year. It seems more like players "jumping ship" than the coaches "cleaning house."
I say cleaning house AND some players may not want to stay with our new coach in place. This can only be good news for us. Let's get/keep the players here who are willing to work and want to be here. I see a lot of hard work ahead for the players, some did not put the effort in last season and reality is going to hit real hard real soon!!
I know this is just matter of opinion and no one really knows, but I thought "jumping ship" the first couple of transfers. Then hung on to that after 3, 4.....and 5, but we are now at 10 I believe. This, coupled with Spurrier's comments, new coach, give me the "live up to your expectations, or find another team" feel to it. Who knows?
Yeah, maybe they realize the party is over and Hoke is going to get their tails in shape. It's kind of crazy to see this many guys leaving, but it was also pretty crazy to see how bad our defense was last year. Honestly, the status quo would have been the worst thing for us. Change is a good thing in our scenario.
Can someone please explain why there are a handful of people on this site that will try to find a way to bash every sport that we have? From the players to the coaches. This is unreal.
We have guys on here that are complaining about the pitching staff after a week, players leave the football program for undisclosed reasons and these posters are ready to have every defensive coach fired/ran out of town.
I would love to call these individuals out by name for this crap, but I can't say their names due to being blacklisted by attacking a poster. You know who you are so do us all a favor, you know the ones who actually care about our athletics and want them to do well and stop posting you garbage on this board.
We have guys on here that are complaining about the pitching staff after a week, players leave the football program for undisclosed reasons and these posters are ready to have every defensive coach fired/ran out of town.
I would love to call these individuals out by name for this crap, but I can't say their names due to being blacklisted by attacking a poster. You know who you are so do us all a favor, you know the ones who actually care about our athletics and want them to do well and stop posting you garbage on this board.
First and foremost, it's highly unlike Hoke has anything to do with these transfers. Normally transfers that happen at the end of the season are a long time coming and the staff has earmarked certain players as likely transfers throughout the season. That's not to say a blow-up or coaching change cannot be the driving force for a transfer, but these seem like more attitude and performance based decisions. Hoke hasn't been on the staff long enough to make sweeping decisions about jettisoning players. These decisions are being made by Ward and the LB/DL position coaches.
Second, none of these are all that surprising. South Carolina is going to have a ton of options at DL. And if they stick with the 2 LB system, a ton of options at LB. The only surprising thing might be none of these transfers are coming from the secondary, which might be your logical spot to see players leave because of Brown's demotion and/or Hoke making some quick evaluations.
Second, none of these are all that surprising. South Carolina is going to have a ton of options at DL. And if they stick with the 2 LB system, a ton of options at LB. The only surprising thing might be none of these transfers are coming from the secondary, which might be your logical spot to see players leave because of Brown's demotion and/or Hoke making some quick evaluations.
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I think Hoke has total control of the defense now and probably told the guys if they don't want to be here, then leave. I'm just speculating of course but Hoke can probably make any decision he wants with the defensive players. The first thing Vangorder did for his 2 week stay at Carolina as DC was pull a scholarship on a recruit so he had free reign to do what he wanted. The players may not want to play for Hoke also like the two guys that left the basketball program when Martin was hired.
I don't doubt that Hoke as the authority to move kids off the team. I just find it highly doubtful he'd be the one making these types of decisions a few weeks into the job. He's kept all the position coaches and Ward as the co-DC. It would be awfully foolish of him to force kids to transfer based on just barely interacting with them and watching tape, without relying heavily on their positions coaches and the other DC to be the primary decision makers. Moreover, the way South Carolina recruited this cycle, measured against how many DLs and LBs they traditionally have carried, would tell you transfers were likely coming from those position groups. They needed to get to the total scholarship limit and these were more or less the players that made sense.
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Valid points. I don't think Hoke has authority to can any of the defensive staff-I'm assuming Spurrier makes that call. I think it was known when he was hired that they were remaining intact.
This post was edited on 2/18 3:00 PM by sclawman77
Valid points. I don't think Hoke has authority to can any of the defensive staff-I'm assuming Spurrier makes that call. I think it was known when he was hired that they were remaining intact.
This post was edited on 2/18 3:00 PM by sclawman77
I think that Gamecock fans want to believe that Hoke is cleaning house on defense, like Strong cleaned house at Texas last season. I respect Strong for what he is doing at Texas, but I'm not convinced that he will be given enough time to turn things around.
Yes, it could be a situation where players are 'jumping ship' or it could be Hoke 'cleaning house.' As many players as we have lost, my expectations will probably be lower. Sure, maybe we're dropping dead weight, but losing depth could be an issue. I really don't know what to make of the situation. Wait and see, I guess.
Yes, it could be a situation where players are 'jumping ship' or it could be Hoke 'cleaning house.' As many players as we have lost, my expectations will probably be lower. Sure, maybe we're dropping dead weight, but losing depth could be an issue. I really don't know what to make of the situation. Wait and see, I guess.
Where is Pearl River CC anyway ? Could this transfer be a matter of academics ? This reminds me of when SOS first got to USC and relieved several players of their right to be a Gamecock. It's part of his re-inventing Gamecock football it looks like. Hoke took a look at defensive personnel and is seeing which ones can play in his system and are willing to work. This season was full of too many pouters and poor attitudes and they are getting their walking papers, but not saying this is the case here because he never played a down. Let them all go and play some both ways if you have to.
The barn has been set on fire and the rats are running out.......Thank you to whomever threw the match into it!!!!
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If this is players "jumping ship" and not making scholarship numbers work, me must have a bunch of unused scholarships for next year. Is that the case? It has to be if we are supposedly going to be short handed.
I find it interesting, the same ones complaining about the transfers are the same ones complaining about the talent level last year. I guess some people are just going to complain, no matter what. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Best of luck to McClain!
I find it interesting, the same ones complaining about the transfers are the same ones complaining about the talent level last year. I guess some people are just going to complain, no matter what. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Best of luck to McClain!
Its one thing when a kid has been around a few years and not developed to expectation, i dont like RS Freshman DL going, but if i remember wasnt Blake the kid that was FSU, dropped them then down to Neb and us but never visited us but committed to us?
I will say Ahmad Christian still haunts me
#1 the Marquez North play against Tenn
#2 playing and then leaving in 2013 when he would of clearly started in 2014 at corner, to be closer to his Grandma, but then ending up at Utah State?
I know some will say we didnt need him, but I call BS, I really wonder about our retainment recruiting abilities, something in the sales pitch needs to change or maybe their needs to be one
I will say Ahmad Christian still haunts me
#1 the Marquez North play against Tenn
#2 playing and then leaving in 2013 when he would of clearly started in 2014 at corner, to be closer to his Grandma, but then ending up at Utah State?
I know some will say we didnt need him, but I call BS, I really wonder about our retainment recruiting abilities, something in the sales pitch needs to change or maybe their needs to be one
Cocky4, they are attention seekers who no one pays attention to on the street, so they come on a free forum under an anonymous user name and toss out grenades of negativity blindly in hopes of getting a reaction and some attention. The ignore feature is the best approach to these Nellies.Originally posted by CaliCock:
DRA-MA LLA-MA, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap! DRA-MA LLA-MA, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!
Hoke is going to build a top notch defense here. Anyone who is not on board will be shown the door. We got lazy last year. Hoke is here to change that. Look for us to have a top 10 D next year with the great D line we just brought in.
Now, I know that the Ahmad Christian departure is on Spurrier.
As good a motivator/offensive specialist/winner as Spurrier usually is,
when Spurrier's mouth shoots off it is like his weakness.
I'm saying Coach Spurrier humiliated a basically excellent young talent (Ahmad Christian made a inexperienced mistake).
And when these young 18 year old's get chewed out in front of teammates AND hear their mistakes LOUDLY IN THE MEDIA,
they might leave "to be closer to their family"--when,of course, that turns out to be the furtherest thing from the truth.
...................................
ALSO, I don't think Spurrier should have gotten madder than I've ever seen him--just because we didn't beat Vanderbilt by more than 2 scores/is that good pychology to angrily tell 18 and 19 year olds and the media "You all are not worth your top-20 ranking !!" That's a big reason they STARTED TO LIVE UP TO THAT NEGATIVE EXPECTATION, losing games in the last 7, 6 and 5 minutes. They had already been told by a HOF coach that they are not worth much.
But when Spurrier gave chooses his words words better "We are not punishing them this week, we are encouraging them,
that's the very week the defense (and special teams) gave that helluva a performance IN THE SWAMP. Florida had just BLOWN OUT UGA in a neutral site.
But Spurrier's fire appears to now be more appropriately chanelled into honestly hard-working his players, Spring 2015.
Spurrier needs to quit mouthing off before Texas A&M games ". He went, August media day, 2014 A&M has been playing all these LITTLE teams". Then an angry Kevin Sumlin "PUT IT ON" US in Willy B stadium 5(2)-28.
But when he controls his mouth and uses his years of experience, Spurrier can work these players hard,
without setting up the the afore-mentioned failures !
As good a motivator/offensive specialist/winner as Spurrier usually is,
when Spurrier's mouth shoots off it is like his weakness.
I'm saying Coach Spurrier humiliated a basically excellent young talent (Ahmad Christian made a inexperienced mistake).
And when these young 18 year old's get chewed out in front of teammates AND hear their mistakes LOUDLY IN THE MEDIA,
they might leave "to be closer to their family"--when,of course, that turns out to be the furtherest thing from the truth.
...................................
ALSO, I don't think Spurrier should have gotten madder than I've ever seen him--just because we didn't beat Vanderbilt by more than 2 scores/is that good pychology to angrily tell 18 and 19 year olds and the media "You all are not worth your top-20 ranking !!" That's a big reason they STARTED TO LIVE UP TO THAT NEGATIVE EXPECTATION, losing games in the last 7, 6 and 5 minutes. They had already been told by a HOF coach that they are not worth much.
But when Spurrier gave chooses his words words better "We are not punishing them this week, we are encouraging them,
that's the very week the defense (and special teams) gave that helluva a performance IN THE SWAMP. Florida had just BLOWN OUT UGA in a neutral site.
But Spurrier's fire appears to now be more appropriately chanelled into honestly hard-working his players, Spring 2015.
Spurrier needs to quit mouthing off before Texas A&M games ". He went, August media day, 2014 A&M has been playing all these LITTLE teams". Then an angry Kevin Sumlin "PUT IT ON" US in Willy B stadium 5(2)-28.
But when he controls his mouth and uses his years of experience, Spurrier can work these players hard,
without setting up the the afore-mentioned failures !
Now, I know that the Ahmad Christian departure is on Spurrier.
As good a motivator/offensive specialist/winner as Spurrier usually is,
when Spurrier's mouth shoots off it is like his weakness.
I'm saying Coach Spurrier humiliated a basically excellent young talent (Ahmad Christian made an inexperienced mistake).
And when these young 18-year olds get chewed out in front of teammates AND hear their mistakes LOUDLY IN THE MEDIA,
they might leave "to be closer to their family"--when,of course, that turns out to be the furtherest thing from the truth.
...................................
ALSO, I don't think Spurrier should have gotten madder than I've ever seen him--just because we didn't beat Vanderbilt by more than 2 scores/is that good pychology to angrily tell 18 and 19 year olds and the media "You all are not worth your top-20 ranking !!" That's a big reason they STARTED TO LIVE UP TO THAT NEGATIVE EXPECTATION, losing games in the last 7, 6 and 5 minutes. They had already been told by a HOF coach that they are not worth much.
But when Spurrier chooses his words better as in "We are not punishing them this week, we are encouraging them",
that's the very week the defense (and special teams) gave that helluva a performance IN THE SWAMP. Florida had just BLOWN OUT UGA in a neutral site.
But Spurrier's fire appears to now be more appropriately chanelled into honestly hard-working his players, Spring 2015.
Spurrier needs to quit mouthing off before Texas A&M games ". He went, August media day, 2014 "A&M has been playing all these LITTLE teams". Then an angry Kevin Sumlin "PUT IT ON US" in Willy B stadium 5(2)-28.
But when he controls his mouth and uses his years of experience, Spurrier can work these players hard,
without setting up the the afore-mentioned failures !
As good a motivator/offensive specialist/winner as Spurrier usually is,
when Spurrier's mouth shoots off it is like his weakness.
I'm saying Coach Spurrier humiliated a basically excellent young talent (Ahmad Christian made an inexperienced mistake).
And when these young 18-year olds get chewed out in front of teammates AND hear their mistakes LOUDLY IN THE MEDIA,
they might leave "to be closer to their family"--when,of course, that turns out to be the furtherest thing from the truth.
...................................
ALSO, I don't think Spurrier should have gotten madder than I've ever seen him--just because we didn't beat Vanderbilt by more than 2 scores/is that good pychology to angrily tell 18 and 19 year olds and the media "You all are not worth your top-20 ranking !!" That's a big reason they STARTED TO LIVE UP TO THAT NEGATIVE EXPECTATION, losing games in the last 7, 6 and 5 minutes. They had already been told by a HOF coach that they are not worth much.
But when Spurrier chooses his words better as in "We are not punishing them this week, we are encouraging them",
that's the very week the defense (and special teams) gave that helluva a performance IN THE SWAMP. Florida had just BLOWN OUT UGA in a neutral site.
But Spurrier's fire appears to now be more appropriately chanelled into honestly hard-working his players, Spring 2015.
Spurrier needs to quit mouthing off before Texas A&M games ". He went, August media day, 2014 "A&M has been playing all these LITTLE teams". Then an angry Kevin Sumlin "PUT IT ON US" in Willy B stadium 5(2)-28.
But when he controls his mouth and uses his years of experience, Spurrier can work these players hard,
without setting up the the afore-mentioned failures !
lol, the "Projection Detector" just went critical....Originally posted by searooster:
Cocky4, they are attention seekers who no one pays attention to on the street, so they come on a free forum under an anonymous user name and toss out grenades of negativity blindly in hopes of getting a reaction and some attention. The ignore feature is the best approach to these Nellies.Originally posted by CaliCock:
DRA-MA LLA-MA, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap! DRA-MA LLA-MA, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!
If that's all it takes then so will most all of our rivals. They too brought in great defensive talent as well. You guys make it sound like its a switch that just forgot to be turned on last year. I expect improvement but not a transformation in year one. Dukes and Lamin and Griffin and others were just as highly rated and they didn't walk in and show out. But all these guys are different? Some of them will be but some won't.
There is only one player from last year's defense that needs to be retained. I'm okay if all of the others transfer.
That is taking it a little far.
I felt Lammons and Harris both played better as the year went on. We have some promising young DL who could develop into good players and we had two VERY good LBs step up by the end of the year... That is a a solid 5-6 guys right there I am happy we are returning! I think it was obvious some needed to go as well... But I doubt we lose a whole lot more at this point.
Actually it's ONE guy in particular and he is nothing more than a clueless twit who somehow gets a kick out of being a negative asshat. He does the same thing on another popular Gamecock forum and folks over there have grown tired of him as well.
I love it when folks post comments that allow you to quickly determine their lack of football intelligence. Makes it easier to weed out the ones to ignore.
When Clemson runs a player off, Dabo holds a press conference and tells the world how much he loves the kid. He always says that it's a mutual decision and that he'll do anything to help said kid in the future. They do a better job of running kids off than we do.
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I think you're right. Hoke hasn't been on the job long enough to evaluate players before spring practice.
It's a bunch of defensive players leaving... I starting to think maybe someone is telling players to transfer out before Hoke can look at them in the spring.
Blake McClain was a big get at the last minute of signing day by Jr. And I was hoping he would step in last fall.
Apparently, the staff has told players that practices this year are not going to be a walk in the park, and to expect some real changes in weight room requirements, and in what is expected of them in the SC program. This is exactly what is needed. If players don't want to hear this, then we are better off without them. Make room for people who want to give 100%...
the truth is that there are a variety of reasons. Some don't see playing time in their future, some just want a change, some the coaches would prefer to move on or change attitude. Not inside info, that's just always the case. The number is a bit surprising though.
70% of these players left before Hoke was even hired.
The two areas where we improved as the season went on was the secondary, and when Botkin had an epiphany that Walton and Moore needed to be on the field at the same time. That was about the 10th game of the season....
Why Brown was removed from active coaching seems to be due to Ward's and Hoke's background as secondary coaches? Brown needs to be back on the field when, and if, possible.
The two areas where we improved as the season went on was the secondary, and when Botkin had an epiphany that Walton and Moore needed to be on the field at the same time. That was about the 10th game of the season....
Why Brown was removed from active coaching seems to be due to Ward's and Hoke's background as secondary coaches? Brown needs to be back on the field when, and if, possible.
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