Now that Caslen has resigned, the search goes on and Tanner is safe for a couple of years until they hire a new real President. At least we a few years away from a good Spring house cleaning....
What in the hell is going on at University of South Carolina!
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I think some of y'all are pretty damn weak to say you're taking your kids out of USC or pushing the up coming students away from USC. The experience of college at USC as a student has nothing to do with who the president is or how the athletic programs are functioning.
You can take 15,000 young people and put them in a desert for four years and they'll make it a good experience. However, if the paper that they get at the end doesn't mean much because the college has lost clout, or if they get curb stomped or shot to death walking to a bar, what has their time and money meant?
It will take a lot of work and one reason is because Clemson fans are voters too.
Speaking of Clemson, I would just copy their BOT. Reduce the number and let the members choose the other members.
You also don't rise to General without being politically savvy and intelligent.
Of course it is. Its hard to understand why people want to say its not.
The fact you were blind to these issues until there was a president in office you do not like so you could blame it on him instead of the real causes behind them says more about what is wrong with America today than the issues you mentioned.
You want life members? No thank you. Alumni elections should make up a good share. Make the Board accountable to people who have a vested interest. Why not also let a council of deans have some picks to make sure we have people who understand education. Then maybe allow that group to pick some so we can attract some Darla Moore types or a former president (like Pastides) who might not want to run but might have a lot to offer.
okay... "The proof is in the pudding".. The last 100 days is an indication of things to come. If you want to blame Trump go ahead, but he did an amazing job in the areas i consider the most important, Jobs, National Security and Economy. I couldnt care less Whether or not a grown man is allowed to use a little girls room and play on women's sports teams, or whether leader of Iran likes us and pushing green energy, are not that important to me, if those are more important to you, Then you are happy, i am not. So i am happy for you, and the millions sucking of the govt. but this is not the direction i would like for the country to go.. But heyu, that's just me..
A friend checked the one in West Ashley last week. The clerk looked at him like he had 2 heads. He even showed her on the app, and she still was clueless. 😆
The one here in Irmo is showing sold out.
John McCain achieved the rank of a Captain in the Navy despite being 5th from last in his class at Annapolis and was allowed to continue to pilot a navy jet despite crashing two planes outside of combat and before his fateful combat (third) crash. The Navy typically takes a pilots wings away if they crash a plane once outside of combat. John McCain's father and grandfather were both four star admirals. So I think it is safe to say there are many ways other than good communication skills and competence to rise in the ranks of the U.S. military. Its very similar to rising in the ranks of a large corporation....it isn't always due to performance and aptitude. John McCain wouldn't even have been accepted to the Naval Academy if he was not a major legacy.
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Well, that's where political savvy comes in. But being made Captain us a FAR cry from Admiral (even if Admiral is the next step). Admiral and General are special cases in the military, as they are beyond virtually everyone to achieve. You have to be good and you have to have connections to get a star. It's not something someone "accidents" their way into, and no one will support your bid if you're incompetent, because it would reflect poorly on them. Those ranks are the biggest example of an old boy's club there is.
If My memory serves me correctly, Nikki Haley (the tater lover) is the reason Darla is no longer on the Board!
There it is. An old boy's club. While I agree that getting to Admiral vs. Captain is very much different, had John McCain graduated in the top half (above average) and not crashed three planes, I have not doubt he would have made admiral because of his lineage. Patton was the best general in the Army but his lack of political savvy and tendency for controversy resulted in other less qualified generals to get higher distinctions and leadership positions in WWII. Montgomery wasn't even close to the level of tactician as Patton but he was given every advantage in leading his battalions to reach France and Germany first, while being the ranking officer of the Allied ground forces. Winston Churchill insisted upon it for PR reasons.
She is the reason. Haley replaced her with a political ally.
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USCBatgirl21
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I respectfully disagree. I'm sure those that were students during Holderman would say his shenanigans affected their experience, even in a small way. I know I love the fact that I was there under Dr. Palms. He was really good President.
And c'mon now...How many of us wish we'd been in school from 2009-2013 and what was going on with Football and Baseball? That certainly would have affected student experience. To say otherwise is simply wrong.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time on the field as a Batgirl back in the day, and I cherish my close friends from the teams back then. Some I still talk to daily even now. But oh how much more awesome it would have been if we'd gone to Omaha then.
I personally do not understand why it's critical that a University president should have an academic research background. To me, that's analogous to requiring an athletic director to have head coaching experience. Teaching and leading a University, IMO, require different skill sets.
Please do not turn this into a Ray Tanner bashing fest.
I would guess it is because a President of a R1 research institution needs to know how the research grant process works, whether government, private, or cooperative. It would also help to have connections in those circles and having experience in hiring those professors that attract those grants. In addition, the President also has to be a fundraiser.
I look at it more akin to a large corporation hiring a Director of Sales without any sales experience.
As an aside, I don't bash Tanner at all.
Sometimes people just lose it. The drive, the energy, attention to detail. They start relaxing a little more. Start drinking a little more. You can get these great job opportunities in your late 50s and into your 60s, after you’ve already spent a lifetime working yourself to death in high pressure jobs.
Bob Caslen might have never been a fit for this job, but that it came at the end of a 45 year career might indicate the guy was just mentally done.
I’m hoping my kids choose CofC, hard to imagine a better spot to get an education and build a career. Love that area.
That being said, online education will become even more dominant in the future, brick and mortar location is becoming irrelevant in society.
USCBatgirl21
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Better teach them how to defend themselves downtown. Crime has gotten really bad of late.
Police data shows murders doubled and violent crime rose in Charleston in 2020
In new data released by Charleston Police, all violent crimes increased in the Holy City. These are defined as homicide, aggravated assault, sexual offense and robbery. Murder doubled from 2019, going from eight homicides to 16 homicides in 2020, while the others increased by at least 9. 5%.
abcnews4.com
that is pretty much all across the nation. The attacks on Police by the left, has police leaving in droves, and cautious to even enforce the law..Better teach them how to defend themselves downtown. Crime has gotten really bad of late.
Police data shows murders doubled and violent crime rose in Charleston in 2020
In new data released by Charleston Police, all violent crimes increased in the Holy City. These are defined as homicide, aggravated assault, sexual offense and robbery. Murder doubled from 2019, going from eight homicides to 16 homicides in 2020, while the others increased by at least 9. 5%.
They can go to school where ever they want. It is completely in their hands. However, like I have told them, tuition out of daddy’s pocket is only paid to USC.
Not so sure about that last part. I work for a university and we have students clamoring to come back to campus this fall and new students numbers for fall show large increases.
Whats sad is the USC is not even
I am in the same boat. USC would be the only school I would pay out of state tuition for, but my daughter already has scratched it off her list. I used to take her to a lot of football games when she was younger but now she has no interest in any Gamecock athletics. What's sad is she actually has been to more Clemson football games that USC.
Promotion to Flag Officer requires Congressional approval in addition to service selection. McCain was a third generation USNA alumnus. Academy graduates take care of their own.
McCain's personal and professional behavior once he returned from captivity ensured the Navy would never promote him to admiral. He cheated on his first wife, who had loyally waited on him to come home (and had suffered serious physical injuries from a car accident). McCain was physically and mentally impacted by his captivity and the Navy assigned him to political and PR staff duties. McCain openly caroused while on TDY and divorced his first wife in order to marry the daughter of a politically connected and rich businessman in Arizona.
Correct. Divorce will severely limit your advancement in the military...at least it used to....even if the officer wasn't the one at fault.
I have a degree from both schools. Undergrad at Clemson, Med School at USC. When asked where I went to school, my answer is Clemson. I laugh when I read all of the post on here mocking Clemson. I can assure you that I’ve never been embarrassed to claim that school as my own. I’m frequently embarrassed by my grad schools antics in sports and academically. Athletics and academics at Clemson stand head and shoulders above the states “flagship” school, so making fun of it only serves to diminish the value UofSC. I wish that weren’t so, because I want to be proud of both, however it seems that USC is truly run by clowns.
I like those ideas too. I believe one-half of Clemson's board are lifetime office holders. It has worked for Clemson.
I do find it interesting that the school which provided you the means to earn your living as a physician ( I assume) is one you deem to be vastly inferior in terms of its educational quality. Athletics definitely , just thought there might be a bit more respect for grad school experience. My business school grad experience was a good one
Most Clemson graduates will not discuss grad schools....just undergraduate.
There is nothing new under the sun. We have been here before.....every bit as bad if not worse....arrogant football coach who was having an affair with a cheer leader....while the woman’s basketball coach was having an affair with one of her players...and the President during this time wouled soon be arrested by the Feds for Racketeering. I love my alma mater. However, I must admit that sometimes it is MIC.....KEY....MOUSC !
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If I were to go crazy and have kids, I wouldn’t make Carolina their passion like I think my parents did to me. I have fond memories growing up and going to all the games even though they rarely won. I wouldn’t try to sway their decision on that....... But they sure as heck WOULD NOT go to Clemson. As a Gamecock- Letting your child go to Clemson is being a bad parent and you should be reported to DSS.
One of my nieces is going to be a Capstone Scholar, and I couldn't be prouder or happier for her.
I hated having to "like" this post. My "like" is actually acknowledging the truth of your post. 🤕
I think the last thing you want to do is make a top donor the President of the school. That's like making a top DC lobbyist a Senator.
This is the worst I've seen the University of South Carolina ever!
A President who doesn't know who he is President of..
BOT that has been MIA..
An AD who is managing the decline of the athletic program...
Turning away out biggest donor in Darla Moore...
It's time for a new President and I want Darla Moore as our next President of the University of South Carolina or the head of BOT... We need to make changes and need to make changes NOW!!!
If Lt. Gen. Robert Caslen isn't our next President at USC...
