What reasons would Frank have to be upset at USC?
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He has complained about fan support at games. That's the only thing I can come up with.
He thinks he should have a statue and the arena named after him.
Not sure exactly what he us upset about but if its attendance, he is seriously reaching.
In 2019/2020, UofSC ranked 29th nationally in basketball attendance with an average crowd of 12,180. Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky were the only league schools that averaged more and the SEC average crowd was 11,188...3rd out of all conferences. This was in a season with an 18-13 record and no post-season and was never ranked during the year.
Also, compare us in-state with Clempson. Embarrassingly during that time they had more success than us, going to the NCAA in 17/18 and being ranked in 3 of the 4 seasons (none for us). in 19/20 they averaged 6,832. Over that season, Carolina had over 90,000 more fans for basketball than Clempson.
We all know our women's attendance is off the charts and #1 every year. If you combine mens and women's attendance, CLA Gamecock basketball attendance for 19/20 was over 390,000....one of the best #s in the nation. There is strong basketball fan support at Carolina. This is also one of the main reasons why the mens team performance under FM has been so disappointing.
Now, I do agree the school needs to invest in basketball facilities both with amenity upgrades to the CLA and a first class practice, lounge, operations-type facility for basketball.
excuses excuses excuses. If you can't recruit players to play for you, a fancy building isn't going to bring them in. Kids want to play exciting basket ball not be screamed at. Who gives a rats butt if they have a barber shop or a slide.
Why would a kid who is a really good basketball player, and just coming out of high school, want to play for Frank Martin?
The kids now wouldn’t... because they wouldn’t be able to run the show and they’ll have to play defense.
its still a direct comparison to other schools and leagues as everyone counts the same way.
Winning would take care of that. I don't want to take the time to go when they are getting blown out by half time.
Well, dammit, win a few more games, wake up from those early season comas every year, and LOOK like, as a team, that you'd rather be somewhere else other than the basketball court - the 'attitude' can be catching and fans are vulnerable.
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He needs to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have sunk below UGA in basketball!!!!!!!!!!!
We have sunk below UGA in basketball!!!!!!!!!!!
The 2016-17 season that went to the Final Four, USC set the program record for attendance with an average of 13,396 per home game. I think we've clearly shown that when you provide a competitive product, the fanbase will support you to unprecedented levels. In 2020 Frank Martin was the 19th highest paid MBB coach in the nation at $3.1 million, and 5th highest in the SEC after Crean (UGA), Pearl (Auburn), Barnes (Tenn.), and Calipari (UK).
He's demanded from the fanbase and the university, and we've responded. He needs to start responding to us a little.....
Kinda but not really. A fan base could buy half the tickets every home game but have twice as many actual fans in the seat
I mean obviously the season has gone to shit but that is definitely not indicative to fan support
Did you go to any of those games during final four run? I went to just about everyone of them. Beside Georgia game (which was parents week) I don’t think any game was even close to 13k.
Florida was early in the year before people started bandwagoning
I remember every vividly hordes of fans being turned around during the Georgia game because the had not been all year and did not know the bag policy
What a novel concept, if you win or have an exciting product people will fill the stands. That isn't unique to us, that's true in so many facets of life. FM is whining and he needs to go, he is responsible for that product!
This is true from my experience attending games. I tried to move to a better angle so I asked about a certain section in the lower bowl. Was told all those seats were taken yet no one attends. WTF?
As @coolcock2001 asked above, was Coach Martin complaining? I missed it if so. I hear radio cuts where he is defensive but nothing blaming Carolina or the fans.
Yes it is insane, during the final four season I was ten rows up most games because there were not a ton of people there most of the season
I think it just highlights how much Usc fans don’t care about basketball if they say there were 11-14000 fans at every home game there is zero chance they attended a game in a very long time
People don’t support basketball as much as football by far- yet RAYTANNER has dropped the ball on football his entire career- basketball is even more screwed
Because the program is in a ditch? He has a worse record than Dave Odom?
The excuses to put up with Frank are unreal. You'd think we're the only program in the country that had to deal with COVID and also the only program that counts ticket sold as attendance. Every program in the country does that for every sport, yet someone always wants to throw in an asterisk when it's proven we have tons of fan support. Heck, saying we don't support basketball is asinine when you look at the women's team. Do people not think the fans would rather go to a men's game if the product was worth a crap? We'd have 18k at every game if we had a decent product.
I’m not saying anything besides it’s not an accurate estimate of attendance and I already showed how it can be terribly skewed.
Our fan support in basketball (and marketing) is really poor, that’s not disputable. People only show up for Florida/Tenn when they are good. Kentucky (more Kentucky fans usually) and Georgia.
Even our Clemson game is underwhelming since it’s near winter break and people can’t be bothered to show up.
I was one of 3000 people present when the final four banner was raised, were you there? Do you know when it was raised? What team we were playing?
Ypu make it worse for the rest of us. Putting with this precipitous slide. So you were there when we hoisted the FF banner - so what?
So it was our first home game since the final four and only 3k could be bothered to show up
USC tallied our attendance for 2016-17 as they do for every season - the exact same way every other MBB program tallies their attendance figures.
What method do YOU use?
You're being disingenuous with the data - we say these average attendance figures based on the total number of tickets sold per every home game, NOT based on the number of fannies in the seats. NO ONE has ever said different. But THAT is the exact same method that ALL OTHER Division I MBB and WBB programs use to tally average attendance.
So no one is hedging the bets here, except YOU. OF COURSE there are most likely a good number of people who buy tickets for games - most likely season tickets - that ultimately choose to NOT come to the actual games. Does THAT mean we "don't care" about basketball? Or does that mean we don't care for bad, losing basketball?
So who do YOU compare us to here? Other programs that have loud, wild, raving fanbases at their games? They may actually be fewer than 12K or 13K fans, because their arenas don't even hold that much capacity, but they are louder and more passionate? I bet those programs are winning more often and more consistently than our program is. Does THAT mean their fans care more than our fans do? Is THAT a fair balanced comparison between two programs - a winning one and a losing one?
I certainly do not agree with you. The years we won 25 and 26 games and went to the Final Four - regardless of how many fannies were in the seats - the fans were louder and more passionate those years than they were in the other years. And simply stating reported facts from the official USC athletic department does not make us uncaring fans, either. It just makes us better educated than you are on the subject.....
To a point from a previous poster about facilities. They do matter. They matter a lot in recruiting. That is why you see football, and basketball, powers constantly upgrading their facilities. I don't know where USC ranks in regards to the facilities game. But recruiting is played on a lot of levels. That is one of them. And if you are at least not trying to keep up with the best that is out there you are sending a huge message that basketball at USC doesn't mean nearly as much as it may in other places
I think you make a very good point.
However, Dook has an interesting recruiting advantage of Cameron Indoor Stadium being "hallowed ground." But this is an exception. When it was constructed in 1940, it had the largest seating capacity (~9k) of any arena in the south.
Vanderbilt's Memorial Gymnasium dates back to around 1950. But those are private schools, and this likely affects how they participate the the recruiting arms race.
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