When we got Jerry Meyers back, I thought our pitching would be solid.
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Cocky kebo57
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Let's hope he hires a proven batting coach too, I realize that a batting coach can't necessarily turn a .250 hitter in to a .340 hitter, but he damn sure can only help us improve our .254 team batting avg.
Did you know we lead the SEC in ERA last season? Doubtful Meyers gets fired.
Our AD and HC are not reactionary children like all you fanboys. They will not clean house because of ONE bad season. Talk all you want of "patterns"- there is none. Until it happens again this season was a blip on the radar coming off back to back 40+ win seasons over Holbrook's first two seasons as a HC. Injuries, unexplainable drop offs in production from hitters like Bright and Destino, errors from guys who are normally solid fielders... This year seems to have had all sorts of unexplainable issues, and it is tough to blame most of them on coaching... Again, until happens often enough to constitute a pattern and indicate a lack of fundamentals. We have the talent, recruiting is not an issue, and Holbrook knows how to teach the fundamentals... So we have to expect a turnaround next year. Doubt anybody loses their job, certainly not the HC, and the pitching coach whose squad carried us last year is not likely gone either. Hard to pin the troubles on him when his best starting pitcher was lost to injury half way through the SEC slate!
Get a grip people... Everybody has a bad season every now and then!
Meyers is the best. we have a talent drop off period in pitching and as a team. as far as hitting we are not swinging at good pitches. we are letting good pitches go by and then swinging at crap as a team. no plate discipline. nothing wrong with our head coach and pitching coach. we might change hitting coaches which means brian busher will be replaced but he played in the pros with Minnesota and won the sec batting crown his last year at usc so im not sure he will go either. we have young talent but we are just not having a good year that's all. they will be fine with more recruiting in which Holbrook is one the best at.
USCBatgirl21
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I'm sorry, but a change needs to be made. Jerry has a habit (and this is a carry over from his first tenure) of continually using the same few arms over and over again, instead of giving other guys a shot when those few aren't getting the job done. I know we have other guys in the bullpen besides Mincy, Fiori, and Murray.
Pitching was supposed to be our strength this year, and outside of Jack, Will, and at times Taylor, I am not overly impressed with this staff. Something has to be done.
Pitching was supposed to be our strength this year, and outside of Jack, Will, and at times Taylor, I am not overly impressed with this staff. Something has to be done.
I'm surprised Meyers hasn't left on his own. He came here to coach for Tanner. Being Holbrook's assistant is like a demotion.
I think he may leave on his own this year. He is a highly respected pitching coach. I would not be surprised if things aren't too rosy between him and Holbrook.
Remember he was Tanner's pitching coach when we made our CWS run from 2002-2004 and then left to take the ODU head job. Didn't work out so he returned when Calvi went to South Alabama. I don't see him leaving a second time unless he's forced out. Ray could probably pull some strings for him to land another pitching coach gig though. Wish he would.
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Not sure how this doesn't go right back to Holbrook. We can't hit, we can't pitch, but the one unforgivable thing is we can't field anymore. You speak of hitting slumps, pitching injuries, etc. but there is absolutely NO excuse for the defensive comedy we see from this team. If one of the three, or MAYBE two of them were the issue that's one thing. But we are bad in every phase of the game. And THAT is a head coaching problem.
Totally agree but the fact of the matter is Chad is coming back next year whether we like it or not. Needs to be a change on the staff somewhere. I personally think you will not see any changes because Holbrook's staff are all former Tanner staff/players. Hope I'm wrong.
Andy... in your eyes we have NEVER went UP. How can YOU say "we've been going down since Holbrook took over." We were the dredges of the ocean when Tanner was coaching the championship team year. You have NEVER acknowledged the Gamecocks as a championship team. We were always "just lucky to win that particular game" and would lose the next ones. Pitiful, Pitiful, Pitiful.
Sorry, but this is not just a bad season, this is a horrible season. Plus, it comes after two previous seasons that were not great.
It is not just one horrible season; it is a downward trend over three seasons. The common factor is the coach.
totally agree....how in the world does the coach not take all the blame....hes the one in charge....if he doesnt take all of the blame, then i guess we dont need a coach since he has nothing to do with whats going on
LOL. So you are going to use ANDY's ramblings from previous years to try to defend Holbrook now to make it look like we haven't fallen far as a program? THAT's your your argument? Obviously we were an excellent team a few years ago no matter who said we weren't and have the trophy case to prove it. It doesn't change the fact that things are a lot different now and look to be getting worse by losing all our best players again after this year. Leave Andy alone. He never has any thing positive to say, he only posts when we lose or there is something valid to complain about.It doesn't matter how good of year we are having when we lose he will post and complain, when we win he will be absent. It doesn't bother me. The fact that he is posting more than usual is just another sign that we are slipping.
The fact YOU are posting more than usual is a sign of the exact same thing unfortunately. Sure hope we get our stuff together soon so all these Trolls will disappear!
We gave up 1 run Friday night and 3 today, if we catch ball in lf today we only give up two. This is with a staff that lost our ace. Don't think pitching is the problem.
Cocky kebo57
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We gave up 10 or 11 hits today, their staff gave up just 3 hits. You still think our bull pen is not a problem?? Hint: we are bad in ALL aspects of the game.
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Reality Check--we were going to go down hill after those 3 trips to Omaha. Just as we did after the first 3 trips to Omaha (see 2005-2009).
Some of you think we were going to go to Omaha every year if Ray stayed. You need to get a grip. Wasn't gonna happen.
Reality Check--we were going to go down hill after those 3 trips to Omaha. Just as we did after the first 3 trips to Omaha (see 2005-2009).
Some of you think we were going to go to Omaha every year if Ray stayed. You need to get a grip. Wasn't gonna happen.
Readrooster... Ist off, I wasn't posting for your comments, I was replying to Andy. 2nd... NO WHERE in my post did I say ANYTHING defending Holbrook. Try reading a post and comprehending what it says before you make a comment. And last but not least, your post from basketball and now baseball ranks you right there along with Andy. Try to get over yourself.
yep u r right.....however, pitching is the best of all that, yet still not that good.....too many people on here where garnet glasses and refuse to accept the truth
Cocky kebo57
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Agreed. Of all the problems we have, the pitching is the better, but the BP is still a problem area. Plus, we never really developed a solid third game (Sunday) starter, that has been done by committee.
Ummm the 05 and 09 teams barely made it and got bounced quickly in the regional. If memory serves, '07 team was loaded with 3 first rounders in the starting lineup and still didn't make it to Omaha.
This team has nothing even resembling a 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder.
Recruiting will get better. We will be back in postseason next year.
I don't expect to get to Omaha every year but I didn't expect to fall off the abyss into oblivion either. You can be very good and miss getting there but this team is inept. And the more they play, the worse they've gotten. How can fans not be worried?
They still made a regional though and neither were bounced quickly whatever that means. You have no way of knowing we will be back in the postseason next year.
I will say again, we gave up 1 run on Friday and 3 on Sunday which if we catch fly ball would have only been 2 runs. You blame pitching for losing a game where they only give up 3 runs, and it only should have been two.
We gave up 10 runs over the weekend, that is 3 runs per game, not sure that is bad ptiching? Hell, our pitchers know if they give up more than 1-2 runs we probably lose.
Meyers is NOT the problem! At least where Meyers is concerned I can see the role that bad luck has cost when it comes to pitching with injuries etc but the lack of Offense is very troubling and has been for some time.
Ray was good at playing small ball to cover up for a lack of offense but Chad isn't Ray and doesn't have that trick to fall back on when there isn't production.
This team needs Offense in a bad way and I don't see it sitting over on the bench. So you have to get someone that can get Offense out of what we have or you have to find players capable of producing that Offense.
The solution to this is actually pretty easy you just gotta set aside the fact that you like or don't like a coach/player and do whats in the best interest of the TEAM.
Ray was good at playing small ball to cover up for a lack of offense but Chad isn't Ray and doesn't have that trick to fall back on when there isn't production.
This team needs Offense in a bad way and I don't see it sitting over on the bench. So you have to get someone that can get Offense out of what we have or you have to find players capable of producing that Offense.
The solution to this is actually pretty easy you just gotta set aside the fact that you like or don't like a coach/player and do whats in the best interest of the TEAM.
Our coaches arent at fault. Its evauation.Our freshmen were studs by the time they were sophomores. We even lost guys to the draft. It all sits in Holbrooks lap. Sad but true. Meyers and Pearce didnt lose their ability overnight. Give Chad one more year,just to be sure. Our next coach will know we are fair, if it comes to that.
