Who is advising PJ, he needs to gain weight and improve his offence.

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  1. Cocky89

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    it worked for Sin, PJ shot air balls at the free throw. The guy is good but needs another year to get better, the NBA is an offensive league they don't play defence. Hope him the best but why would you take the chance on improving your stock or not.
     
  2. bosoxcock

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    He's good, I just think they're 64 players in the draft better than him
     
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    His free throw form is atrocious. But some coach will straighten him out on that
     
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    They draft based on potential and he's got a lot of it.
     
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    Offence?
     
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    Why not go thru his dad or uncle to help him ? I am sure they had a little experience dealings in the NBA .
     
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    The Doziers are smart people. I believe they know what they're doing. Thank you, PJ, for staying home.
     
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    I wish him luck!
     
  9. bosoxcock

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    With only 2 rounds and 64 players, I can assure you the professional league doesn't "draft based on potential"
     
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    Yeah it's time to wish him the best...he has an impressive skill set for his height and length...Let's hope he goes in the first round..it would be awful to see such an outstanding young person get stuck on the D-league bus...Or maybe even worse with a tour in Europe
     
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    the guy who is going to make money off him
     
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    If he goes in first round I will be totally shocked---no offense but he has no offensive game but layups---
     
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    They absolutely do draft on potential. They look at someone like Thonrwell and see he has maximized 98% of his 100% potential. Dozier has maximized about 75% of his 100% potential and is younger. The longer you stay in college the more potential you maximize and they can expose more of your flaws. If you have a sniff of the first round you need to leave and get your professional career under way.
     
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    NBA teams that want to win don't draft on potential, they draft on ability to help the team now...they only have 2 rounds of the draft, if they drafted on potential they would have more than 2 rounds ... there's only 15 players on the team...this isn't football or baseball

    If they draft Dozier they believe he helps now.....not to become or develop into something in the future, which is the definition of potential
     
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    Every one is drafted on potential. Am I wrong?????????

    How else do you know what happens when you hand a 20 y/o a million $$$$$????
    Ask Renaldo Balkman
    Kwame Brown
    Tom Brady

    It's all a guess and it's all on potential. THE ONLY WAY IT WOULDNT BE is if they could draft players already in the league.
    Both our guys will be drafted.
     
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    Definitiion of Potential:
    having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future...
    latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.

    No a professional basketball team doesn't draft on potential

    That doesn't mean teams don't miss on players..it happens, but they believe they can help the team now when they draft them...and you cant compare football or baseball when drafting
     
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    Defence?
     
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    His uncle had experience dealing with the NBA!
     
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    No offense ? Granted his free throws need work but his quick first step thru the lane gets him to the basket for that lay up. He also shoots a nice mid range jumper and can bury the 3.
     
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    Wut? Of course teams draft on potential. It's not uncommon for NBA teams to draft Euro players whom they know won't even play in the US for a couple of years or maybe never. It took Mirotic and Bogdanovic 3 years to make the move.
     
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    Why do so many posters swear they're NBA draft experts and know what's best for Dozier? You guys amaze me everytime I log on here.
     
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    Wut? or What.... That is a poor example.. they draft pro Euro players that are under contract with there current teams anticipating when the contract is over or negotiate an early release they will play in the NBA....plus there is no investment. NBA teams don't pay until they play in the NBA
     
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    They absolutely draft on potential. That's why the lottery features so many one-and-dones and foreign players. There were only 4 college upperclassmen taken in the lottery last year.
    Npoy Buddy Hield was only the 6th player taken. Teams used to love taking guys straight from high school when they were able. It's very much potential based.
     
  27. bosoxcock

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    Teams used to love taking guys straight from high school when they were able. It's very much potential based

    And the reason they don't draft high school kids anymore and the reason they reduced the draft to 2 rounds, is the reason they don't draft on potential....

    When they drafted H.S. players and had 7 and 10 rounds of the draft they would/could afford to draft on potential
     
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    Pretty sure his family and Frank Martin have been advising him.
     
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    You aren't making any sense. The Celtics picked Ante Zizic and Guerschon Yabusele in the 1st round last year with the intention of them not being on the roster this year. So Boston drafted them on their potential and not on their ability to help right now. (Money is irrelevant to this discussion since a rookie contract is a bargain. The Celts wanted them to remain overseas because they didn't anticipate either player helping right now.)
     
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    You did say they drafted for who will help the team now (your exact words). That's the exact opposite of what the teams do with the European draftees. It's the exact and perfect counter example to your point, not a "poor example".
     
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    26 of the 60 players drafted last year (almost half) played less than 20 games with an NBA team last year. 15 of them (a quarter of all draftees) played 0 games in the NBA.
     
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    just like any 15 man roster ...7-10 contribute meaningful minutes ...and remember there's no graduation in the NBA
     
  33. Cocky89

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    Just saying PJ is a good player. Sindarius thought about going pro last and returned to triple his draft status And winning numerous awards, but I'm an arm chair ball boy and it doesn't matter what I think just an opinion. PJ didn't even make any all conference teams....doesn't make sense....Good luck PJ and thank you for being a gamecock.
     
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    Sorry to the guy that says PJ has a good mid range jumper or can shoot the 3, very many times could not make a shot unless driving to the basket. His shot and ball handling need big improvement and I hope he can do that.
     
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    His ball handling is his strength. Even though his shots didn't always go in his ball handling, movement and shooting form are of NBA interest.
    I'll believe the mock drafts and official scouting reports rather than the self appointed experts here on FGF that are just selfish
     
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    Many thought Dozier would be one and done. We got him two years and went to the final four. I hate to see him go but wish him well.
     
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    Let's keep this simple then. Answer this question: if potential isn't the primary factor, why were last year's top 4 picks 3 freshmen and a foreign player with 0 college experience, when there was a slew of far more polished, accomplished college players?

    Why in 2015 were the top 5 picks, 3 freshmen and two foreign players? 5 guys with a combined 3 college seasons.
     
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    "they draft pro Euro players that are under contract with there current teams anticipating when the contract is over or negotiate an early release they will play in the NBA"

    That's not drafting on potential when you draft a PRO player

    obviously they also draft college players who aren't under a contract and can help now

    I'm over discussing this subject
     
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    Malcolm Brogdon will be the NBA Rookie of the Year (or no worse than second in the voting). He's 24. He was a 5th year senior at UVA last season. He was the ACC Player of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year in 2016.

    He was drafted in the 2nd round. The 36th overall pick. And here's the thing: if teams could redraft, he'd still get passed over for players who seldom played this year or didn't play at all in the case of the international players. Yes, he would go higher but not near the top because the majority of teams draft on potential. They are looking for a franchise player. To address immediate needs, they use free agency or trades. Usually not the draft.
     
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    Not sure you meant to...But you just explained why the same teams are in the lottery each year...76ers have been drafting potential for 12 years...The Lakers since Kobe got old...
     

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