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Wil Crowe pitch counts...

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Bigger_Stronger_Faster

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Opponent # of Pitches
CoC 99
Northeastern 62
Clempson 114
Miami 111
UK 119
Mizzu 106
UGA 123
MSU 57 (2.2 IP 8H 7ER)
UF 91 (4.1 IP 7H 7ER)

Ain't no wonder his arm's broke. No reason in hell...especially a team with the arms we have in our bullpen...that a pitcher should throw that many pitches per game that early in the season.
 
Those aren't particularly high pitch counts for a college baseball ace with a week of rest in between starts. Quite few pitchers have thrown 120+ pitches, including many in February and March. Below is a link that shows a partial list of pitchers who did so in 2014.



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Originally posted by Bigger_Stronger_Faster:
Opponent # of Pitches
CoC 99
Northeastern 62
Clempson 114
Miami 111
UK 119
Mizzu 106
UGA 123
MSU 57 (2.2 IP 8H 7ER)
UF 91 (4.1 IP 7H 7ER)

Ain't no wonder his arm's broke. No reason in hell...especially a team with the arms we have in our bullpen...that a pitcher should throw that many pitches per game that early in the season.
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Agree....
 
You know it's bad when the garnet glasses crowd, who have rainbow and lollipop dreams begin to question and show disdain.
 
Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
You know it's bad when the garnet glasses crowd, who have rainbow and lollipop dreams begin to question and show disdain.
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Not bad, hypocritical. Same ones who accused others of being happy the team lost.
 
Originally posted by DarkCock:
Those aren't particularly high pitch counts for a college baseball ace with a week of rest in between starts. Quite few pitchers have thrown 120+ pitches, including many in February and March. Below is a link that shows a partial list of pitchers who did so in 2014.



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That's a lot of pitchers throwing high pitch counts, for sure. But there are a lot of variables that go along with it.

1-How many of them throw 90+ mph?
2-How many of them throw sidearm?
3-How many of them throw more fastballs and sliders and less junk?
4-How many of them were facing inferior opponents and didn't have to work hard?
5-How many of those games were mid-week were the kid gets more than 7 days rest?

And more to my point...how many of them have a deep bullpen to relieve them?

I don't like seeing pitchers go over 90-95 pitches early in the season, for no other reason the fact that pitchers tend to break down and lose velocity if they over-throw throughout the season. And the goal is to have them throwing their level best at the end of the regular season and leading up to post-season play.
 
Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
You know it's bad when the garnet glasses crowd, who have rainbow and lollipop dreams begin to question and show disdain.
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Lol, if this is a reference to me I'll take it as a compliment.

But FYI, I've never been a fan of Meyers.
 
Originally posted by Bigger_Stronger_Faster:
Opponent # of Pitches
CoC 99
Northeastern 62
Clempson 114
Miami 111
UK 119
Mizzu 106
UGA 123
MSU 57 (2.2 IP 8H 7ER)
UF 91 (4.1 IP 7H 7ER)

Ain't no wonder his arm's broke. No reason in hell...especially a team with the arms we have in our bullpen...that a pitcher should throw that many pitches per game that early in the season.
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Ray killed a few pitchers' careers too.
 
Man those numbers are totally fine. It's perfectly normal for a guy to throw 120+ pitches in an outing.
 
Those numbers are actually fine.

I remember when David Price at Vandy use to throw into the high 130s on a regular basis - once even throwing well into extra innings..
 
Originally posted by sclawman77:
Myers has always overthrown his starting pitchers.
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He did the first time here and he seems to be doing it again.
 
There is nothing wrong with those pitch counts at this level. Now if it were the T-ball league you excelled in, maybe a little high.
 
Nobody, and I mean nobody, ever cared about "pitch counts" until the 1990's. That's a great example of some morons over thinking the game, which happens a lot in a sport where you spend half the game sitting on your butt, even if you're pitching. For Pete's sake, Juan Marichal of the SF Giants used to pitch batting practice between starts. Of course he also pitched every fourth day, and also led the majors in complete games for over a decade. I'd say he threw hard enough to wreck his arm, if pitch counts meant anything. What about all of the old-timers who pitched complete games every third day, going back to 1900 and even further. Do you really think Walter Johnson, Bob Feller, Christy Mathewson, or Lefty Grove worried about ruining their arms with too many pitches? Some of those guys even pitched double-headers and were back in their rotation 3 days later. The only pitcher I can say might have benefited from this nonsensical horse manure was Sandy Koufax, who did destroy his elbow by overworking it.
 
Originally posted by bdblack:
Nobody, and I mean nobody, ever cared about "pitch counts" until the 1990's. That's a great example of some morons over thinking the game, which happens a lot in a sport where you spend half the game sitting on your butt, even if you're pitching. For Pete's sake, Juan Marichal of the SF Giants used to pitch batting practice between starts. Of course he also pitched every fourth day, and also led the majors in complete games for over a decade. I'd say he threw hard enough to wreck his arm, if pitch counts meant anything. What about all of the old-timers who pitched complete games every third day, going back to 1900 and even further. Do you really think Walter Johnson, Bob Feller, Christy Mathewson, or Lefty Grove worried about ruining their arms with too many pitches? Some of those guys even pitched double-headers and were back in their rotation 3 days later. The only pitcher I can say might have benefited from this nonsensical horse manure was Sandy Koufax, who did destroy his elbow by overworking it.
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Good points, except those pitchers didn't grow up playing ball year round and didn't have travel ball and HS coaches overthrowing them because they were a 16 year old with a 90mph fastball.
 
Yes ma'am, those pitchers did play ball year round...it was called barnstorming tours, where they had to play local semipro and factory teams to earn supplemental income for the off season. That was a necessary tradition from the 1870's until the late 1970's, when free agency brought big money to MLB.. I agree with you about overthrowing young arms, but I still believe pitch counts for mature arms are pretty silly. BTW, I also believe that 'travel ball' is more of the problem than the solution for most young players. Travel ball, along with AAU/YBOA basketball, has taken the academic focus away from a lot of misguided parents who relive their youth vicariously through the achievements of their kids.
 
just an fyi to those that may not know....the damage is usually done long before college....like uscbatgirl infers.
 
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