Will the Heritage Act stop clemsux from renaming Tillman Hall...

[superflyby]

seems it's very possible...

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/sto.../debate-rages-clemsons-tillman-hall/21888173/


If the Faculty Senate recommends a name change, the faculty representative would present the request to the Clemson Board of Trustees, which would make a final decision.

But that, more than likely, would not be the end of the process.

Section 10-1-165, better known as The Heritage Act, made it possible to remove the Confederate Flag from the Statehouse in 2000.

Ironically, that law may make it more difficult to rename Tillman Hall or other buildings, statues, roads, memorials and schools that honor men whose views of the world do not mesh with modern society.

The law states that no structure on public property of the state that's "dedicated in memory of or named for any historic figure or historic event may be renamed or rededicated."

It applies to streets, bridges, parks, preserves, reserves or other public areas.

It would take a two-thirds vote by the General Assembly to make any provisions to the law, the act says.

 

[Cola G'Cock]

seems it's very possible...

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/sto.../debate-rages-clemsons-tillman-hall/21888173/


If the Faculty Senate recommends a name change, the faculty representative would present the request to the Clemson Board of Trustees, which would make a final decision.

But that, more than likely, would not be the end of the process.

Section 10-1-165, better known as The Heritage Act, made it possible to remove the Confederate Flag from the Statehouse in 2000.

Ironically, that law may make it more difficult to rename Tillman Hall or other buildings, statues, roads, memorials and schools that honor men whose views of the world do not mesh with modern society.

The law states that no structure on public property of the state that's "dedicated in memory of or named for any historic figure or historic event may be renamed or rededicated."

It applies to streets, bridges, parks, preserves, reserves or other public areas.

It would take a two-thirds vote by the General Assembly to make any provisions to the law, the act says.

Yes.

 

[jeff2001]

There seems to be at every school a group of students. Who wants to put their social justice stamp on something. They knew who he was before they became students at Clemson. If they are truly outraged about it quit school.

 

[67gamecock]

Wanna see how quickly the state legislature bends over and screams, 'We surrender!' after Upstate legislators have sworn to the Amighty, with a live snake in each hand, 'NEVAH!' on the matter of changing/removing 'historical' monuments in the future, i.e. Confederate stuff? Just wait until Dablow whines to his Mommy 'bout them mean ole sinners down in Columbia who are messin' with his recruitin' for Quempson. LOL! This is going to be hilarious!

 

[JKC4USC]

Look. I find the history of Pitchfork Ben as repugnant as anybody, but the confederate flag is moved to the relic room (which is fine by me), it's time for our representatives to work on things that matter such as: jobs, crime, SCHOOLS, etc. Let's work on things that really matter.

 

[67gamecock]

Look. I find the history of Pitchfork Ben as repugnant as anybody, but the confederate flag is moved to the relic room (which is fine by me), it's time for our representatives to work on things that matter such as: jobs, crime, SCHOOLS, etc. Let's work on things that really matter.

Well, actually we need to work on our crumbling infrastructure first or else it will become even MORE dangerous to transport children to schools in SC over collapsing bridges/overpasses and super-sized potholes!

Nevertheless, I agree, we DO need to work on education (including more higher ed funding), jobs, crime, etc.

 

[superflyby]

Look. I find the history of Pitchfork Ben as repugnant as anybody, but the confederate flag is moved to the relic room (which is fine by me), it's time for our representatives to work on things that matter such as: jobs, crime, SCHOOLS, etc. Let's work on things that really matter.

I don't give a rats behind about the Tillman Hall issue. I was just pointing out that it is not as simple as them just renaming it. I don't think a discussion on FGF in a thread is going to hamper or persuade the Legislators one way or the other.....it is just a topic of conversation and nothing more.

 

[Superior7]

Yes.

But if they ever took the statue down or re-named Tillman Hall, it wouldn't change anything demographically on their campus. Scan their student section at football games. Diversity doesn't exist....

 

[JKC4USC]

I don't give a rats behind about the Tillman Hall issue. I was just pointing out that it is not as simple as them just renaming it. I don't think a discussion on FGF in a thread is going to hamper or persuade the Legislators one way or the other.....it is just a topic of conversation and nothing more.

Oh, I see what you're saying. I ain't hating. I just think this whole trying to erase/rewrite history movement is getting silly, and I was just saying I don't want our reps wasting more time on it. Too many other important issues. I probably got off of your subject a little.

 

[ReadR00ster]

There seems to be at every school a group of students. Who wants to put their social justice stamp on something. They knew who he was before they became students at Clemson. If they are truly outraged about it quit school.

That's no fun. It's more fun to change stuff you don't like.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Oh, I see what you're saying. I ain't hating. I just think this whole trying to erase/rewrite history movement is getting silly, and I was just saying I don't want our reps wasting more time on it. Too many other important issues. I probably got off of your subject a little.

They'd just waste their time doing nothing like they would usually do then.

 

[jonesz21]

I don't care if they rename it. if they don't, will it effect recruiting negatively? I hope so

 

[67gamecock]

I don't care if they rename it. if they don't, will it effect recruiting negatively? I hope so

Yes. IF we keep beating the drum on this matter . . .incessantly. They sure as hell hit us hard and regularly on the flag issue.

 

[Cola G'Cock]

But if they ever took the statue down or re-named Tillman Hall, it wouldn't change anything demographically on their campus. Scan their student section at football games. Diversity doesn't exist....

As long as they are not discriminating against anyone based on race, it doesn't matter.

 

[Superior7]

As long as they are not discriminating against anyone based on race, it doesn't matter.

How could that ever be proven??

It would seem a public university would have a student population that resembled the demographics of the state it resides in.

 

[Cola G'Cock]

How could that ever be proven??

It would seem a public university would have a student population that resembled the demographics of the state it resides in.

It could easily be proven if someone in their admissions office admitted they practiced racial discrimination and had evidence. Disgruntled employees will often tell all.

Also, an audit of their admissions policies could identify any written policies that were racially discriminatory.

Why should a public university have a student population that closely resembled the demographics of the state? A lot of people don't go to college and fewer to a university with higher admissions standards.

 

[Superior7]

It could easily be proven if someone in their admissions office admitted they practiced racial discrimination and had evidence. Disgruntled employees will often tell all.

Also, an audit of their admissions policies could identify any written policies that were racially discriminatory.

Why should a public university have a student population that closely resembled the demographics of the state? A lot of people don't go to college and fewer to a university with higher admissions standards.

Because the government that educates the citizens from their state should provide the education it's citizens needs to pursue higher education and a better future.

 

[Superior7]

Lyndon B. Johnson said of Tillman, "He might have been president. I'd like to sit down with him and ask how it was to throw it away for the sake of hating."[159

Back to the topic of the thread....

 

[The tigerdoc]

Yes. IF we keep beating the drum on this matter . . .incessantly. They sure as hell hit us hard and regularly on the flag issue.

Not sure what you mean by this, but the " flag" issue was state wide and affected CU and SC equally. It certainly was not an issue that CU could use against SC.

 

[superflyby]

Not sure what you mean by this, but the " flag" issue was state wide and affected CU and SC equally. It certainly was not an issue that CU could use against SC.

I agree but I think they were on the "you have to pass that flag on your way to school or see it almost every day" type of thing. I think the clemsux staff would be too smart to play that game....but then again we are talking about the clemsux staff....

 

[The tigerdoc]

Then they said they would look at taking any action at a later date. AKA, we'll wait until this blows over and do nothing.

I agree but I think they were on the "you have to pass that flag on your way to school or see it almost every day" type of thing. I think the clemsux staff would be too smart to play that game....but then again we are talking about the clemsux staff....

I've followed recruiting since Joe Terranova was the only source, so I'm dating myself. I knew a lot of the guys on the previous staffs, and I have to admit that I've never heard any of them even suggest using that as a recruiting angle. I'm not saying it never happened, but it sounds like a pretty weak recruiting pitch to me.

 

[jrjtiger]

I was discussing the possibility of renaming Tillman with CU grad today. He said Tilman was named something else prior to the mid 40s. Apparently Tillman's grandson was on the BOT at one time and convinced them to rename it. So it may not be a stretch to go back to whatever the original me was.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Lyndon B. Johnson said of Tillman, "He might have been president. I'd like to sit down with him and ask how it was to throw it away for the sake of hating."[159

Back to the topic of the thread....

Ah, I see he had nice little dinner with Booker T. Washington a Teddy Roosevelt.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tillman#cite_note-FOOTNOTEJBHE48-163

 

[4forcu]

Wanna see how quickly the state legislature bends over and screams, 'We surrender!' after Upstate legislators have sworn to the Amighty, with a live snake in each hand, 'NEVAH!' on the matter of changing/removing 'historical' monuments in the future, i.e. Confederate stuff? Just wait until Dablow whines to his Mommy 'bout them mean ole sinners down in Columbia who are messin' with his recruitin' for Quempson. LOL! This is going to be hilarious!

How did you come up with that? It's the Clemson board that voted to change it

 

[TigerNick76]

seems it's very possible...

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/sto.../debate-rages-clemsons-tillman-hall/21888173/


If the Faculty Senate recommends a name change, the faculty representative would present the request to the Clemson Board of Trustees, which would make a final decision.

But that, more than likely, would not be the end of the process.

Section 10-1-165, better known as The Heritage Act, made it possible to remove the Confederate Flag from the Statehouse in 2000.

Ironically, that law may make it more difficult to rename Tillman Hall or other buildings, statues, roads, memorials and schools that honor men whose views of the world do not mesh with modern society.

The law states that no structure on public property of the state that's "dedicated in memory of or named for any historic figure or historic event may be renamed or rededicated."

It applies to streets, bridges, parks, preserves, reserves or other public areas.

It would take a two-thirds vote by the General Assembly to make any provisions to the law, the act says.

Honestly, I think this whole name change thing is a joke. Don't just look at the name of a building, but the students that go inside. A black student can get the same education as that of a white student inside Tillman Hall. What's the huge deal?! Does racism still exist, of course, but changing the name on something as simple as a building will not change the racism issue. I'm pretty sure almost all the colleges located in the south have at least one building named after a confederate soldier, general, etc.

I agree with someone earlier. There are bigger issues to deal with than the name change of a building.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Tillman wasn't an ordinary racist from a bygone era. The dude was sick and evil. There is a big difference in participating in an evil societal institution, and actually just being an evil person to the core. And continuing honor evil people like him I think absolutely DOES stand in the way of racial progress.