Will you give $$ to fuel the "educational benefits" arms race?

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If you thought you were being hit up for "need" based giving before, what is going to happen when we try to keep up with the richer schools in providing "educational benefits." The fundraising machines are going to go into overdrive soon. And they will want us to donate to provide more "education benefits" to athletes, some of whom will be making serious money (more than their instructors) with NIL $$ flowing in. These programs will be hugely expensive as Title IX will dictate that the benefits be provided evenly. And of course, this is all to provide even more to students that already receive more than your kids or my kids receive in exchange for us paying the rising tuition and associated costs of college.

Anyone going to tap out and sit out the next arms race? (I know I will).
 

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College Football as we have understood it for the last 60 years is dead.
The question is........ How will it die? Will it collapse of its own weight? Devour the weak until only the strongest survive? Regroup and rise like a phoenix from its own ashes?
One prediction in this article that elite college players could earn $10MM per year with NIL. I think they can buy their own iPhones. Maybe they'll start giving to us.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/nca...ket-value-following-supreme-court-ruling.html
 

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Which brings the other side of the equation into question. Since they will be making money off of football, at what point do we let them pay for their scholarship? Pay that room and board? And pay for the tutors that keep them from flunking out? All the money now seems to be a one way street. Things don't work that way. And this will be a coaches nightmare. Just wait until the loud mouth skill player who gets endorsements goes to bragging in the locker room about the cash he is reeling in. All the while the offensive lineman aren't getting anything. This could make for some very tense locker rooms
 
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Which brings the other side of the equation into question. Since they will be making money off of football, at what point do we let them pay for their scholarship? Pay that room and board? And pay for the tutors that keep them from flanking out? All the money now seems to be a one way street. Things don't work that way. And this will be a coaches nightmare. Just wait until the loud mouth skill player who gets endorsements goes to bragging in the locker room about the cash he is reeling in. All the while the offensive lineman aren't getting anything. This could make for some very tense locker rooms
You pointed out the biggest problem. At least in the NFL everyone is getting paid, now you're going to have a few players making serious coin while others get nothing extra. This part will be interesting indeed.
 

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Which brings the other side of the equation into question. Since they will be making money off of football, at what point do we let them pay for their scholarship? Pay that room and board? And pay for the tutors that keep them from flanking out? All the money now seems to be a one way street. Things don't work that way. And this will be a coaches nightmare. Just wait until the loud mouth skill player who gets endorsements goes to bragging in the locker room about the cash he is reeling in. All the while the offensive lineman aren't getting anything. This could make for some very tense locker rooms
if a person, that gets a scholarship for academics, gets a job while in school making money, you going to ask them to do the same thing?
 
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if a person that gets a scholarship for academics, gets a job while in school making money you going to ask them to do the same thing?
If a student on a music scholarship were to sign a multi million dollar record deal while using the school's music department as a platform, I dont think that would be an unreasonable request.

The whole thing just seems unworkable on a number of levels. It should be interesting to watch, but to answer the OP's question, I don't think I'll be contributing to the cause. Not that the UofSC will shed any tears about my non participation. It will also be interesting to see how this effects the NFL. Some players are going to make a lot of money in college - maybe more than they make under a rookie contract. Maybe enough money to set themselves up for life without accruing the wear and tear of an NFL career.
 

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If a student on a music scholarship were to sign a multi million dollar record deal while using the school's music department as a platform, I dont think that would be an unreasonable request.

The whole thing just seems unworkable on a number of levels. It should be interesting to watch, but to answer the OP's question, I don't think I'll be contributing to the cause. Not that the UofSC will shed any tears about my non participation. It will also be interesting to see how this effects the NFL. Some players are going to make a lot of money in college - maybe more than they make under a rookie contract. Maybe enough money to set themselves up for life without accruing the wear and tear of an NFL career.
But would they be asked to do that now. The answer is no they would keep their scholarship. Just like the athlete should keep his. He doesn’t have to go to school x of school z is still willing to pay his or her scholarship. Their talent earned them the scholarship just like it earned them their nil. Damn there are some really bitter people in here. It’s change that is long over due and college football will be just fine. The winners will adapt and the losers won’t. That’s the way it has always been. Even when it comes to schemes. Saban has adapted his coaching style and philosophy a lot just over the last 5 years.
 

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But would they be asked to do that now. The answer is no they would keep their scholarship. Just like the athlete should keep his. He doesn’t have to go to school x of school z is still willing to pay his or her scholarship. Their talent earned them the scholarship just like it earned them their nil. Damn there are some really bitter people in here. It’s change that is long over due and college football will be just fine. The winners will adapt and the losers won’t. That’s the way it has always been. Even when it comes to schemes. Saban has adapted his coaching style and philosophy a lot just over the last 5 years.
It will be interesting to see. I'm not sure about your "bitter" comment. While I think the plan is unworkable and will have profound effects on college football, I'm certainly not bitter about it. The whole debate doesn't even rank high enough on my list of priorities to make me bitter, one way or another. It is what it is. If it makes college football better, wonderful! If it makes it less interesting to me, then I will, as you say, adapt. Since we're talking about a recreational pursuit, there are endless options for adapting.
 
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But would they be asked to do that now. The answer is no they would keep their scholarship. Just like the athlete should keep his. He doesn’t have to go to school x of school z is still willing to pay his or her scholarship. Their talent earned them the scholarship just like it earned them their nil. Damn there are some really bitter people in here. It’s change that is long over due and college football will be just fine. The winners will adapt and the losers won’t. That’s the way it has always been. Even when it comes to schemes. Saban has adapted his coaching style and philosophy a lot just over the last 5 years.
You're right thT the winners will adapt, as always. To date though, they've adapted by developing new schemes, coaching new strategies, etc. As you mentioned with Saban.

The fear is that now the winners will simply be determined by who pays the most.
 

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Everyone (understandably) is thinking of how this will impact football. I believe it will, but the biggest initial impact will be basketball. You only need 2 superstars on a basketball team to make a big difference. Football requires a whole lot more role players. One superstar isn’t enough.
 

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You're right thT the winners will adapt, as always. To date though, they've adapted by developing new schemes, coaching new strategies, etc. As you mentioned with Saban.

The fear is that now the winners will simply be determined by who pays the most.
It has been and always will be who pays the most. It will just go from 50 million dollar practice facilities to players. College football has been an arms race for 30 years. Who pays coaches the most, who builds multi million dollar facilities and stadiums. Those are the ones who have been winning over the last thirty years. Texas, Alabama, Florida, Clemson, Miami, I could go on and on.
 

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It has been and always will be who pays the most. It will just go from 50 million dollar practice facilities to players. College football has been an arms race for 30 years. Who pays coaches the most, who builds multi million dollar facilities and stadiums. Those are the ones who have been winning over the last thirty years. Texas, Alabama, Florida, Clemson, Miami, I could go on and on.

I disagree. I see the arms race that is college football facilities, but imho, it was no where near the determining factor that stacks of cash handed to players will be.
 

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I disagree. I see the arms race that is college football facilities, but imho, it was no where near the determining factor that stacks of cash handed to players will be.
Look up who had the nicest facilities overall and then get back to me on who has won the last 15 national championships. Not a determining factor lol.
 

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if a person, that gets a scholarship for academics, gets a job while in school making money, you going to ask them to do the same thing?

No. But they aren't getting the benefit of endorsements because they are making money off of their academic talents under that college banner. Athletes will be making money because the university provides them a stage. Suddenly the inmates run the asylum, and this will end college sports as we know it. In truth the major sports have been little more than minor leagues for decades anyway. 95% of athletes in your two money makers couldn't sniff entry to their chosen university on their own academic merit. And most couldn't stay in school without a legion of advisors and tutors holding their hands to keep them eligible. The term, student-athlete is basically a joke, but it fits the narrative the institutions want to push. The world is upside down in a variety of ways. This is just a small slice. I'd almost like to see the universities only recruit those that could actually gain admittance with the same requirements as the general student body. That would be fun
 

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No. But they aren't getting the benefit of endorsements because they are making money off of their academic talents under that college banner. Athletes will be making money because the university provides them a stage. Suddenly the inmates run the asylum, and this will end college sports as we know it. In truth the major sports have been little more than minor leagues for decades anyway. 95% of athletes in your two money makers couldn't sniff entry to their chosen university on their own academic merit. And most couldn't stay in school without a legion of advisors and tutors holding their hands to keep them eligible. The term, student-athlete is basically a joke, but it fits the narrative the institutions want to push. The world is upside down in a variety of ways. This is just a small slice. I'd almost like to see the universities only recruit those that could actually gain admittance with the same requirements as the general student body. That would be fun
Been tried before. Remember Proposition 42? It was rescinded as being racist. Other proposals to do things like withhold scholarships for low grad rates also have failed.

I truly think that it won't be long until you see a Manziel or Jameis Winston type rolling up to class in a Lamborghini and living in luxury condos or huge party houses. Boy their professors are going to love to see that, huh? And just think, the stars at Colorado and CSU can get major sponsorship deals from Cannabis companies to advertise weed.

But Mark Emmert thinks he is going to write interim regulations to control all of this. What a joke.
 
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We have nice facilities. When will we be up there?
Our problem Is the organization in and of itself. Have you really taken a step back and looked at how we are seen in an objective way. Look at the press we have had over the last 5-8 years. I hate to sound like that crack head in the upstate but at the end of the day parents are sending their kids to basically live her unsupervised. We look a mess. Then you have the press of the city as well. Shootings in 5 points for example
 
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If they were to come up with some kind of pool where they distributed the money evenly between all athletes in all sports, I would consider it. Short of that, no.
 

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If they were to come up with some kind of pool where they distributed the money evenly between all athletes in all sports, I would consider it. Short of that, no.
What kind of socialist thinking is that. Why should the volleyball player get what the face of a multi million dollar profit football team gets. That doesn’t seem fair at all.
What I see coming of this is the smaller collegiate sports dying out. Which I’m ok with.
 
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What kind of socialist thinking is that. Why should the volleyball player get what the face of a multi million dollar profit football team gets. That doesn’t seem fair at all.
What I see coming of this is the smaller collegiate sports dying out. Which I’m ok with.
I'm not looking at it as worth. I guess you could, but I'm not. These are not pros. They will earn their living after school like everyone else. I'm looking at it as what they have in what they do. The work they do to be what they are... student athletes. First and foremost, students. As kids, they pick a sport to play because they love the sport. From what I have seen, the best athletes usually separate themselves from the rest because they love the sport more. Personally, I'd like to see that continue until they become pro, if they do. Call it socialism if you like I guess. I dont see it that way.
 
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What kind of socialist thinking is that. Why should the volleyball player get what the face of a multi million dollar profit football team gets. That doesn’t seem fair at all.
What I see coming of this is the smaller collegiate sports dying out. Which I’m ok with.
I would think that the smaller collegiate sports would live on, in their true amateur status. I hope so, anyway. And at the same time, I would hope that the sport of collegiate football would collapse under its own weight.
 

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It wouldn’t surprise me at all that some players will be making more than the coaches in the not to distant future.
 

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But would they be asked to do that now. The answer is no they would keep their scholarship. Just like the athlete should keep his. He doesn’t have to go to school x of school z is still willing to pay his or her scholarship. Their talent earned them the scholarship just like it earned them their nil. Damn there are some really bitter people in here. It’s change that is long over due and college football will be just fine. The winners will adapt and the losers won’t. That’s the way it has always been. Even when it comes to schemes. Saban has adapted his coaching style and philosophy a lot just over the last 5 years.
I agree with you.

And it seems lost on many that almost all scholarships that are awarded to students by colleges are need-blind. Grants are need-based but scholarships are need-blind. Kids with very wealthy parents get merit scholarships all the time. As someone who has worked in this part of higher ed for 20+ years, I can tell you it is extremely rare that any of these families decline the award. In fact, in some ways you could argue the scholarship system is stacked in their favor as these students/families have the resources that many don't (private tutors, coaches, test prep, etc).

I think this change is long overdue and agree some will embrace it, do it the right way and be on the leading edge and some will not and fall behind. Our current athletic leadership is extremely conservative and I have zero faith in them handling this the right way. Some in our conference are already all over it.....UGA, UF, Bama, Miss State and Arkansas to name a few.
 
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No. But they aren't getting the benefit of endorsements because they are making money off of their academic talents under that college banner. Athletes will be making money because the university provides them a stage. Suddenly the inmates run the asylum, and this will end college sports as we know it. In truth the major sports have been little more than minor leagues for decades anyway. 95% of athletes in your two money makers couldn't sniff entry to their chosen university on their own academic merit. And most couldn't stay in school without a legion of advisors and tutors holding their hands to keep them eligible. The term, student-athlete is basically a joke, but it fits the narrative the institutions want to push. The world is upside down in a variety of ways. This is just a small slice. I'd almost like to see the universities only recruit those that could actually gain admittance with the same requirements as the general student body. That would be fun
It actually is the same. The university provides the platform for all its scholarship students to display and grow their skill....whether they are on scholarship for academics, athletics, musical or artistic talent, etc.
 

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Yes. I'm far more inclined to give benefits to student athletes than pay a bum like Muschamp 16k a day to stink it up
 
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I would think that the smaller collegiate sports would live on, in their true amateur status. I hope so, anyway. And at the same time, I would hope that the sport of collegiate football would collapse under its own weight.
I can see you are butt hurt over this. Nice to see that you agree with paying the true earners peanuts while the corporates get rich. College football has been an will be just fine.
 

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Everything can be done now and will be done to get kids to schools. It will be interesting. You should not have to choose between making money from 18-22 and going to school and playing football. The game may change a lot and that sucks.
 

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Earning compensation is one thing. Doing so as an employee or independent contractor is another. Do you have a contract, or are you always "temporary." Do you have a union? Will there be a merit component?

Think about what the NFL has to do to pay athletes. What about ticket prices and stadium design enticements? Advertising deals?

I see the power five setting up as a single loosely managed entity with team management structures outside the schools, but affiliated with schools and their educational benefits. The other conferences will pay what they can, go entirely club or amateur or disband.

We will have players who play their whole career in the league. Our only connection to them? They must use our educational offerings if they choose any anywhere. Perhaps it will be part of an agreement.

We can still pull for " our guys." "Oh yeah, he went to South Carolina." That means he took a class or two.

The original post question is even more critical in these scenarios. If you don't have that club contribution, will you remain as interested? And it proves an important point in the inverse. A lot of us gave to not only build a better team and get seats, but to give kids a chance at an education. Without that inducement, we won't be inclined to throw money at Pros.
 

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The SCOTUS can call it what they want, but all the usual schools will be crushing what is basically going to become the College Draft by providing the best “bennies”….and, Ray Tanner is a fine man, but you can bet the farm that he will most definitely only be providing educational benefits, I don’t care if he has to drive the players to Staples himself.
 
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The SCOTUS can call it what they want, but all the usual schools will be crushing what is basically going to become the College Draft by providing the best “bennies”….and, Ray Tanner is a fine man, but you can bet the farm that he will most definitely only be providing educational benefits, I don’t care if he has to drive the players to Staples himself.
This concerns me as well. Clemson, Alabama, UGA, UF, etc. will be rolling out 6 figure packages for their recruits. While we sit on the Tanner high horse and fall even further behind. I do not think this is going to play out to USC's advantage without a younger more modern business oriented AD in place.
 

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