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A mock-up of the expanded College Football Playoffs

Byes are bad ideas.
Automatic bids are equally as bad. Either UPC or UNC are about to provide a sterling example as to why. One of them is probably going to win the ACC championship; neither deserves to be in the playoff. If someone other than them wins the ACC championship this year, that team doesn't deserve it, either.
 
Automatic bids are equally as bad. Either UPC or UNC are about to provide a sterling example as to why. One of them is probably going to win the ACC championship; neither deserves to be in the playoff. If someone other than them wins the ACC championship this year, that team doesn't deserve it, either.
Not sure an invitational as we have now addresses strength of schedule as it should as it is now. The Pac12 may very well be better than the ACC this year, maybe with CU losing, they will draw more eyes but they probably had no chance to overcome had CU won yesterday.
There have been many years where the AAC has appeared stronger than the ACC... finishing out the year with more ranked teams than the ACC. Yet the ACC always gets the benifit of the doubt.
If LSU wins out (good posibility) and somehow wins the SECCG, a case can be made for UGA, LSU and Tenn getting in the playoffs. They may be the best teams in the country. I gotta think there is no way the committee allows that tho. Personally, I'm hoping LSU does just that to throw a wrench in the whole system. It would be a shame to leave Tenn out with their only probable loss to UGA.
Glad to hear you dont like byes and that we agree on that. I'm more anti-decision by committee than I am anti-at-large picks. I was hoping for less decisions behind a desk, not more. Adding byes adds decisions. If we can eliminate that, either by adding teams or subtracting them, I'd be good... as long as we're talking more than 4 teams. I know you dont agree with that last part. We want to see what we want to see. 🙂
 
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Not sure an invitational as we have now addresses strength of schedule as it should as it is now. The Pac12 may very well be better than the ACC this year, maybe with CU losing, they will draw more eyes but they probably had no chance to overcome had CU won yesterday.
There have been many years where the AAC has appeared stronger than the ACC... finishing out the year with more ranked teams than the ACC. Yet the ACC always gets the benifit of the doubt.
Glad to hear you dont like byes and that we agree on that. I'm more anti-decision by committee than I am anti-at-large picks. I was hoping for less decisions behind a desk, not more. Adding byes adds decisions. If we can eliminate that, either by adding teams or subtracting them, I'd be good... as long as we're talking more than 4 teams. I know you dont agree with that last part. We want to see what we want to see. 🙂
Upload all pertinent data into the computer and let the computer pick and seed the participants. Leave conference championships out of it since it's obvious they are not conclusive. The onfield performance stats laid aside record and strength of schedule should settle all doubts.
 
Who says it ought to be up to them?
I'd far prefer their opinion versus what Pfizer or General Mills believes is best for their advertising models. Most schools support it as well.

King, I know we differ on this topic but I respect your opinion. I just haven't seen a logical argument as to why the current setup is fair. And I've seen plenty of articles and supporting historical data on why it's not.
 
Upload all pertinent data into the computer and let the computer pick and seed the participants. Leave conference championships out of it since it's obvious they are not conclusive. The onfield performance stats laid aside record and strength of schedule should settle all doubts.
Caught me while I was editing my last post. I referred to LSU, UGA and Tenn as they are this year. If LSU wins the SECCG no way they get left out so then what? If you get a chance, look at it, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
I do feel much better about using established criteria as much as possible. Strength of schedule should play heavily in seeding. In fact that alone (by computer) to seed would be great. Whatever additional formulas they can come up with to pick and choose would be fine but it would be nice for teams to know what the criteria is and what benchmarks need to be met.
 
Caught me while I was editing my last post. I referred to LSU, UGA and Tenn as they are this year. If LSU wins the SECCG no way they get left out so then what? If you get a chance, look at it, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
I do feel much better about using established criteria as much as possible. Strength of schedule should play heavily in seeding. In fact that alone (by computer) to seed would be great. Whatever additional formulas they can come up with to pick and choose would be fine but it would be nice for teams to know what the criteria is and what benchmarks need to be met.
Yes, the criteria would be very transparent. I do believe that an LSU team that wins out from here gets in. I still remember Ohio State losing its opener at home to Virginia Tech and going on a rampage from there.
 
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I'd far prefer their opinion versus what Pfizer or General Mills believes is best for their advertising models. Most schools support it as well.

King, I know we differ on this topic but I respect your opinion. I just haven't seen a logical argument as to why the current setup is fair. And I've seen plenty of articles and supporting historical data on why it's not.
It's fair to the teams that get picked, and as long as two of them are the two best in the country, the CFP committee is home free as far as I'm concerned. I daresay they have usually done considerably better than that, while eliminating the vast majority of the pretenders.
 
It's fair to the teams that get picked, and as long as two of them are the two best in the country, the CFP committee is home free as far as I'm concerned. I daresay they have usually done considerably better than that, while eliminating the vast majority of the pretenders.
Just for that particular year though. You're not considering the implications of further rewarding teams who already have an embarassment of riches.

https://www.si.com/college/2021/08/31/ncaa-football-parity-alabama-clemson-daily-cover
It’s a cycle that is choking meaningful competition. “If you win a championship in the NFL, you’re picking last,” says Stanford coach David Shaw. “If you win the championship in college football, you’re picking first. There’s nothing that helps the people in the middle get to the top.”

College Football Playoff has proved to be nothing but college corporate welfare system for royals
https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020...rolina-byu-college-ncaa-committee-bias-unfair
 
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Paul Finebaum, the de facto Alabama mouthpiece, was hired by ESPN the year the CFP were announced. That wasn't a coincidence. Now ESPN talks about BAMA virtually everyday of the year and incessantly during the season. It looks like BAMA might have a hiccup year, but it's the averages over time that matter and those averages show a heavily skewed system rewarding those at the top.
 
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Paul Finebaum, the de facto Alabama mouthpiece, was hired by ESPN the year the CFP were announced. That wasn't a coincidence. Now ESPN talks about BAMA virtually everyday of the year and incessantly during the season. It looks like BAMA might have a hiccup year, but it's the averages over time that matter and those averages show a heavily skewed system rewarding those at the top.

If Saban were still at MSU or another one of his former schools, he would be the loudest voice calling for change.
Instead, his default standing is that it should be expanded because "the bowl games are now irrelevant."

You're never going to hear him tarnish his legacy and accomplishments by stating the obvious - that the 4-team playoff system has been his best friend.
 
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Just for that particular year though. You're not considering the implications of further rewarding teams who already have an embarassment of riches.

https://www.si.com/college/2021/08/31/ncaa-football-parity-alabama-clemson-daily-cover
It’s a cycle that is choking meaningful competition. “If you win a championship in the NFL, you’re picking last,” says Stanford coach David Shaw. “If you win the championship in college football, you’re picking first. There’s nothing that helps the people in the middle get to the top.”

College Football Playoff has proved to be nothing but college corporate welfare system for royals
https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020...rolina-byu-college-ncaa-committee-bias-unfair
To me. that is a socialist construct. Penalizing people for doing something well does not foster excellence. Hobbling excellence is not a good thing.
 
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Automatic bids are equally as bad. Either UPC or UNC are about to provide a sterling example as to why. One of them is probably going to win the ACC championship; neither deserves to be in the playoff. If someone other than them wins the ACC championship this year, that team doesn't deserve it, either.
That is just saying the ACC is a crappy football conference with only two or three teams that have every been very good, and a couple of those are still down. In other words the ACC is not deserving of an automatic bid, we should agree on that, but that doesn't mean the SEC or Big Ten doesn't deserve it.
 
To me. that is a socialist construct. Penalizing people for doing something well does not foster excellence. Hobbling excellence is not a good thing.
When it comes to academia and the individual, I would completely agree. Not at the commercial/anti-trust level.
 
Personally I think four teams are enough. Greed will probably mean they expand the playoffs though. We don't need more than six teams and no automatic bids or byes.

This year no LSU is not going to beat UGA in what amounts to a home game for the dawgs in the SECCG. UT will be in if they win out and the the OSU UM winner along with TCU. The committee likes undefeated teams.

What I hate about this scenario is UT getting a second chance after getting boat raced by UGA but oh well.
 
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When it comes to academia and the individual, I would completely agree. Not at the commercial/anti-trust level.
I understand the need for antitrust measures in a business context - where people's lives are affected, but not with respect to athletics. I hate contrived parity in athletics; Hate it. If laissez-faire doesn't work there, then I don't care if sports continue or not.
 
That is just saying the ACC is a crappy football conference with only two or three teams that have every been very good, and a couple of those are still down. In other words the ACC is not deserving of an automatic bid, we should agree on that, but that doesn't mean the SEC or Big Ten doesn't deserve it.
You can't go that way with the Power Five and stay out of court.
 
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