Best case for USC on the road........
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I don't think 3-2 is "best case," but I think that's a reasonable prediction. Anything better than 4-1 is probably wishful thinking.
There are various preseason lines out and SC is a double digit underdog at Ga, Missouri, and A&M. No line up on the other games that I know of, but Tenn is almost certain to be a favorite with SC a certain favorite over UNC. It would appear that Vegas expects a 1-4 record in those games. The above lines come from Golden Nugget, which also has SC an 8 point home dog to LSU and a 3 point underdog to CU. The above predictions appear to be very optimistic.
I will probably be banned for saying this but how can you say SC is a certain favorite over UNC? UNC has 10 starters back on offense with two QB's who saw a lot of action last year. The game is not in Columbia but Charlotte so SC will not have home field advantage. If I was a SC fan, I would be nervous about this game. Also, The jury is still out on SC's D.
The defense can't be any worse than last year and we found ways(with some luck) to beat Georgia, ECU, Florida and Miami. UNC should be a win. Preseason unranked, just like us.
Well none of these projections are mine, they come from Golgen Nugget. I don't know who will win the UNC/SC game but I'm sure that SC will be favored. I personally think that SC will struggle against that UNC offense with a new DC and many new players. They will struggle to score enough points to keep up, so I think they could definitely lose to the heels. The Ga line is already posted and I simply repeated it, so I'm not crazy. Maybe Golden Nugget is, but I suspect that they feel that the dog's talent advantage will trump the SOS factor.
I think we have as good a chance to go 5 and 0 in those games as we do 1 and 4. I know im a big homer but I still think this team is gonna surprise a lot of people. We had a very young team last year that started #8 in the country and blew 3 fourth quarter leads. Johnson will more than make up for the loss of Bryson Williams. If you keep up with our CB's on tweeter these guys are smart and are really working hard to get bigger stronger and faster. Mitch has the tools to be better than Shaw and Thompson. I think we will be better at running back with Davis gone. (sorry Mike) And Samuels, Googer and Davidson are a big step up at Receiver and are going to be exciting to watch.
The chances of a 5-0 record are virtually 0%. 0-5 is not likely, but is much more realistic. SC is probably looking at 1-2 wins during that stretch with 0 wins being much more probable than 3.
OK, you're just letting the tiger in you come out now.
Any reasonable fan would believe 3-2 is more probable than 5-0 or 4-1 just by looking at returning starters, etc. But to think that there is vitually 0% chance we could go 5-0 is just being a rival fan. It could very well happen, but not a single sole knows right now if or how it will play out.
Yeah you keep listening to your tater buddies on taternet. You have more of a chance of going 0 and 5 during that same stretch against your weakass sch with no defense and no oline than we do. You're over here giving your opinion on a team you know nothing about. Our defense may have had some growing pains last year but they're all highly recruited players and have worked hard to get better while your team is out smoking pot and doing cocaine and stealing from people. You should be more worried about your team falling apart
If I were to try and predict the 20%, 50%, and 80% cases,
I would say:
20% - 4 - 1
50% - 3 - 2
80% - 2 - 3
I would say:
20% - 4 - 1
50% - 3 - 2
80% - 2 - 3
This has nothing to do with anything other than looking at what Vegas thinks about the chances of SC winning the games in the discussion. SC is a double digit underdog in most of these games. I'm making a reasonable projection based solely on the early lines. This has nothing to do with my personal belief about the strengths and weaknesses of the 2015 SC football team. The fact remains that you and your buddies are predicting wins over teams that are currently listed as 10+ point favorites over you. A disinterested party would probably suggest that I am making the more rational arguement.
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Like I said conTATERshon our guys have been working hard while yours have been smoking pot and doing cocaine. But if I do want to smoke pot I don't have to go to Colorado I just have to go to pickens county
"The chances of a 5-0 record are virtually 0%. 0-5 is not likely, but is much more realistic. SC is probably looking at 1-2 wins during that stretch with 0 wins being much more probable than 3."
LMAO, those are YOUR words, not one of the odds makers in Vegas. Maybe you're basing your opinion on the Vegas oddsmakers, but if you do you're a fool. As good as they are they can't even get the 1st 3 weeks right. But then again they're only in to break even and make money off the bets and gladly take the extras as well.
But keep in line with your tater buddies and keep your hopes up. It's what rival fans do. I just hoping that we start our next long streak of wins over you taters. It sure was nice not having to read your fans delusions and marching orders on this board for over 5 years.
The season is rapidly approaching, so we will soon see who is delusional.
We can already see who is delusional. Your team is divided and falling apart and you spend your days over here telling us how bad we're going to be.
Since Taters excel at delusion like nobody else, I will go with you being wrong. 3-2 or 2-3 is most likely.
how ridiculous is this? only clemson puts their spring game on their schedule and counts it as W. (taternet)
04/11 Spring Game 35-24 W
I see six potential losses on the Clemson schedule - Louisville, GaTech, ND, Miami, FSU & USC - I'm guessing you only see one though.
Actually CU is listed as a less than 5 point favorite in each of those games, so I would suggest that those are all potential losses. Using the same standard for SC, there are 10 potential losses. I'm sure you don't see that many potential losses on your schedule.
And you're still basing your arguments off of preseason predictions with over 2 months before the 1st kick-off and before any team has taken a single snap.
Just for kicks, I think I'll keep bumping this thread until after week one so you can see what those prediction mean after everyone that follows college football gets a look at what these teams actually have. And then do the same after week2, and then after week 3, etc. because it usually takes 4-5 weeks before anyone can begin to make predictions that will be anywhere close to the way the season eventually will play out.
But keep spewing your worthless predictions to slight your rival, if it helps you sleep better at night.
BTW, congrats on that spring game victory...lmao
I certainly agree with you that predictions prior to the season are fraught with many problems. I am not placing a lot of faith in them. However, the thread was started asking for predictions regarding the SC away game schedule and I simply responded based on Vegas odds. There have been many responses suggesting that my predictions are nothing but "tater logic". Once again, my predictions are simply derived from Vegas odds. With SC being a double digit underdog to at least 3 and possibly 4 teams and favored over NC only, it doesn't take a leap of faith to suggest that 1-4 would be the most likely record in those games. There are those that say that it is stupid to put in faith in these Vegas predictions, but it strikes me as foolish to put much faith in the predictions of partisan fans who are almost always overly optimistic. So once again, I am not " spewing my worthless predictions" , rather I am making logical predictions based on the projections of unbiased observers. So by all means, keep the thread open.
I don't know.
I think a reasonable person, regardless whether they are a fan or not, would realize that Vegas has done a ton more research into this than they have, and guess that Vegas is pretty close.
If the D jumps from #94 to #64, this year, that would be a significant and reasonable improvement. Problem is, it's still only average.
And on offense, I see zero reason to believe, based on anything of substance I've seen or read, that the offense doesn't take a significant step back, given the losses. The result would be similar to last year.
Vegas agrees with this assessment, from what I've seen of their preseason lines.
I don't see that many betting lines out for usc on golden nugget, so it looks like you are just making things up. but year in year out I would expect south carolina have more opportunities to lose because we play in a real conference that doesnt put 4 patsies on our schedule every year.
lol at your 'predictions'....youre reading f'n vegas lines and restating them, that's not what anyone would call a prediction. congrats on being able to read. come back when you have an original thought.
There is nothing logical about your predictions. You assume our D will have same personnel just like you are forgetting all your losses on D. Nothing logical about that
The offense takes a significant step back this year? Not sure I agree with that. The only legitimate step back might be at qb, but that's still up in the air. rb/wt/te are all as strong or stronger than last year and the ol, assuming matulis and shell are healthy should hold their own.
Our defense has nowhere to go but up and with the influx of some juco and transfer talent at positions of need along with a d coord who can actually coach, a significant improvement should be expected. Almost our entire defense was either true freshman or first year starters last year and I expect our lbs and secondary to be real strengths this year.
LMAO. Are you serious? Link!?! That is just amazing. They will do anything to try & make themselves look good.how ridiculous is this? only clemson puts their spring game on their schedule and counts it as W. (taternet)
04/11 Spring Game 35-24 W
The DCord was not the problem last year. Everyone was bragging on him the previous two seasons, remember? It was a predictable drop in talent. I did predict it, because I watch every play and knew there was a big dropoff compared to the guys that were here previously.
I also knew there was a big dropoff from Shaw to Thompson. 2014 was no surprise to me at all.
There is no evidence, none, that there won't be another drop at QB this year, and in today's game, it is by FAR the most critical position on the field. Look at the 4 teams in last year's playoff. 4 great qbs. You just cannot minimize qb play.
There is one WR back with any experience. One. The position will be better...how?
The OL that were the best guys up there. Another drop. At RB, there are 2 good guys this fall where there were 3. In a position that is prone to injuries, that's an issue.
On D. It's mostly the same guys that weren't very good last year. They should be somewhat better just due to maturity, but it's not not a bunch of All Americans are moving in there. I just don't see the talent that was there a couple of years ago. There are a couple of descent guys, but no one that looks scary.
I have s history of predicting Clemson and Carolina win/loss totals preseason pretty accurately. I've guessed them bith within 1 game for s number of years. I just don't see any reason to expect improvement in Carolina this year.
Clemson's case is totally based on the health of #4.
"Once again, my predictions are simply derived from Vegas odds."
And once again, Vegas odds are as useless as anyone else...including fans on this born whether they're Gamecock fans or trollers.
"There are those that say that it is stupid to put in faith in these Vegas predictions, but it strikes me as foolish to put much faith in the predictions of partisan fans who are almost always overly optimistic."
I never said it was stupid, but I did say you are a fool for basing your argument off of Vegas odds and coming to the conclusion that "The chances of a 5-0 record are virtually 0%. SC is probably looking at 1-2 wins during that stretch with 0 wins being much more probable than 3." And BTW, I never put any stock in any fans predictions this time of year, and no one else should either.There are just too many variables involved in football for anyone will have a clue until around week 4 or 5.
"So once again, I am not " spewing my worthless predictions" , rather I am making logical predictions based on the projections of unbiased observers."
Yes, yes you are. And your rationale is illogical because it is predicated on opinions formed by stats such as returning players, individual star players at key positions, home field advantage, etc and other stats that while are important they really have little to do with the outcome of actual competition. Star players are sometimes lost in the first few weeks which can change a teams entire season (which could happen to CU as you well no since your star QB has been injured more than healthy since arriving, and with your team having no quality backup or even a reserve QB with any experience whatsoever), and some players step up to become star players whi9ch can also alter a teams season for the better. And these variables that can't be measured can not be realized as I've repeated enough that it should be sinking in by now...by for some reason I feel like it isn't, and probably never will as trolls avois rational logic...until week 4 or 5 when the cupcake games have been played and teams have had time to work together in live competition.
"So by all means, keep the thread open."
I already told you I would, and you can rest assured I will. I'll even post some of the Vegas odds before kickoff of week one for the top 10 and other schools of local interest and then re-visit their projections before conference play for most divisions start and compare the changes and prove mu point.
You're entitled to your opinion as much as everyone else. But if you're going to go to a rivals board with predictions like these you really should have something more solid than preseason predictions from any sources because they are just that...predictions. And if that's all you have to go by then you should expect to be called out on it...and you have been.
"The DCord was not the problem last year."
I stopped reading after that.
But you're right. He wasn't the problem just last year, he's been a problem for the past 3 years.
I could look it up, but so can you. In 2013, if memory serves, the defense was ranked about #30. Pretty darn good, given the personnel losses from the previous year. In fact, better than I expected.
In 2012, I think the D was ranked something like #12, one of the best in the nation. I think the record books do not agree with your sentiment, but it's easy to settle. Look up the NCAA records on line and prove me wrong.
The problem is not coaches. It's a lack of talent.
I'm not going to bother arguing about what positions get better or worse and why because we'll never agree. but just curious, if coaching wasn't the problem, why do you think we just paid a lot of money for a new reputable one and demoted ward to a co title.
we've been getting worse with game planning, in game adjustments, and developing talent for a while, which in my opinion is pretty plain to see. even you noted the regression.
