Grading Recruiting Situations...South Carolina
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I agreed with a lot of what they said, but once again they left out key bits of info to slant in a negative light. Could easily have been made into a more positive article.
Wow Saturday down south kissing UGA mutt butt ...shocking.
Dumb article, the basis is stupid, it implies the recruiting rankings are accurate and makes judgments, actually the ESPN re rankings have more factual basis
Home State Success
-----South Carolina has held its own in its home state(dominated in state recruiting during this time,) hauling in top recruits like Marcus Lattimore, Alshon Jeffery, Stephon Gilmore and Jadeveon Clowney -----
<IMO, arguably the best culmination of D1 talent in that short of time frame that the state of South Carolina has EVER produced>
<it certainly hasn’t dominated like most SEC schools do in when they’re the only SEC school in town(5 years ago this isn't the truth but it is now)>
-----The Gamecocks have signed, on average, about three of the top-10 prospects in the state in each of the last five years, nabbing the state’s top player twice in that span-----
<Again, the talent acquisition of the elite instate guys was dominated by South Carolina for two or three years. Now, it's leveled out between UGA, South Carolina, Clemson, and possibly UNCheat. This also covers the statement made about snatching recruits from Georgia>
Recent Success
-----Even as South Carolina rose to become one of the best programs in the East from 2010-13, the recruiting classes didn’t quite match up-----
<If you look at teams with the overall highest level of sustained success, you will most often find one of the common denominators to reaching/maintaining that level of success starts with recruiting the 4&5 star Jimmies and Joes. Yes, there will always be outliers to any statistic now matter how you dice it up but more often than not, those Jimmies and Joes can quickly erase on the field woes.>
<Scar's success on the field was a biproduct of talent acquisition, great player development(S&C program, position coaches, etc,) hitting the jackpot on a few under the radar diamonds-in-the-rough(Shaw spearheads this list,) and capitalizing on a few of the year-in-year-out SECe contenders hitting a lull. All of those variables were strengthened by having a HoF coach on the sideline>
<It can be taken as a backhanded compliment that you guys piled up all of those wins by going against the norm, but it is still a compliment nonetheless>
<I can't agree with the author on UGA being in the same tier of quality opponent as Bama&LSU especially since Richt, like Dabo, has had fits in their matchups against Scar the last few years>
Fan Satisfaction
-----Coming off of three straight 11-win seasons, the thinner recruiting class of 2013 and 2014 — the latter of which had a slew of players not qualify academically along with nine decommitments from the 2015 class— caught up to South Carolina-----
<I don't see how this isn't a fair observation. Year in and year out it's crucial to recruit for a teams needs. If you are unsuccessful at filing those needs with equal or greater talent how could you not expect some level of dropoff?>
<At Scar, the rate of attrition of early departures to the NFL, failure to get crucial high caliber players enrolled to fill in for the attrition(instead you had to go the JUCO route to fill those needs,) not successfully recruiting equal/greater talent at positions of need, striking out on a couple diamonds-in-the rough, replacement of position coaches with subpar/lazy hires(Brad Lawing is a top5 D-line coach and his leaving couldn't have been avoided I know,) Spurrier making the 2/3 year comment at the worst possible time, and not capitalizing on the momentum built up from the three 11 win seasons to avoid the massive drop-off of on the field performance witnessed last season are all areas that can be fixed. I just don't see how in one year, those issues can be resolved>
Coaching Stability
-----There's no need to rub salt into the wound here.-----
<Spurrier is a HoF coach and quite possibly the best active game day coach in the nation.... there's no denying it. >
<Lorenzo Ward is a downgrade from Ellis Johnson>
<Deke Adams is a downgrade from Brad Lawing>
<The biggest piece, IMO, is Craig Fitzgerald. His loss was a major blow to ya'll's S&C program>
Sum it Up
<The SEC gives Scar massive amounts of cash. That's great. There isn't one sane person that would argue that they would turn down that massive amount of cash. Not one. That being said, a large portion of the Scar fanbase is under the guise that by netting more money than Clemson(or any other Major D1 school) will instantly add more W's in the win column. Yeah, not true. Point in case: Texas Longhorns(They bring in more cash than ANY school in the country and still manage to suck.) What that money does do for Scar(and any other institution) is help to keep the playing field equal when it comes to facilities game. In modern CFB, it is a necessity for any university that wishes to compete in the recruiting race that they have updated facilities and continuously update those facilities(even if it's not really necessary) and build more when needed. This would prove to be a MASSIVE advantage for Scar if Clemson was in the Mountain West conference or some other less than D1 conference that gets chump change from conference payouts>
<The disparity in cash brought in by the SEC in comparison to its counterparts is, without a doubt, a massive amount more than any other conference and it should, in fact, stir envy from rival conferences. I can't lie about that. My stance, unless proven otherwise, will still be that more money does not directly add w's in the win column; however, it sure helps provide a hell of a monetary foundation to help any university weather most storms.>
-----I think all in all, the article was a pretty good synopsis of where Scar is currently and where they are headed if some things don't change.-----
-----South Carolina has held its own in its home state(dominated in state recruiting during this time,) hauling in top recruits like Marcus Lattimore, Alshon Jeffery, Stephon Gilmore and Jadeveon Clowney -----
<IMO, arguably the best culmination of D1 talent in that short of time frame that the state of South Carolina has EVER produced>
<it certainly hasn’t dominated like most SEC schools do in when they’re the only SEC school in town(5 years ago this isn't the truth but it is now)>
-----The Gamecocks have signed, on average, about three of the top-10 prospects in the state in each of the last five years, nabbing the state’s top player twice in that span-----
<Again, the talent acquisition of the elite instate guys was dominated by South Carolina for two or three years. Now, it's leveled out between UGA, South Carolina, Clemson, and possibly UNCheat. This also covers the statement made about snatching recruits from Georgia>
Recent Success
-----Even as South Carolina rose to become one of the best programs in the East from 2010-13, the recruiting classes didn’t quite match up-----
<If you look at teams with the overall highest level of sustained success, you will most often find one of the common denominators to reaching/maintaining that level of success starts with recruiting the 4&5 star Jimmies and Joes. Yes, there will always be outliers to any statistic now matter how you dice it up but more often than not, those Jimmies and Joes can quickly erase on the field woes.>
<Scar's success on the field was a biproduct of talent acquisition, great player development(S&C program, position coaches, etc,) hitting the jackpot on a few under the radar diamonds-in-the-rough(Shaw spearheads this list,) and capitalizing on a few of the year-in-year-out SECe contenders hitting a lull. All of those variables were strengthened by having a HoF coach on the sideline>
<It can be taken as a backhanded compliment that you guys piled up all of those wins by going against the norm, but it is still a compliment nonetheless>
<I can't agree with the author on UGA being in the same tier of quality opponent as Bama&LSU especially since Richt, like Dabo, has had fits in their matchups against Scar the last few years>
Fan Satisfaction
-----Coming off of three straight 11-win seasons, the thinner recruiting class of 2013 and 2014 — the latter of which had a slew of players not qualify academically along with nine decommitments from the 2015 class— caught up to South Carolina-----
<I don't see how this isn't a fair observation. Year in and year out it's crucial to recruit for a teams needs. If you are unsuccessful at filing those needs with equal or greater talent how could you not expect some level of dropoff?>
<At Scar, the rate of attrition of early departures to the NFL, failure to get crucial high caliber players enrolled to fill in for the attrition(instead you had to go the JUCO route to fill those needs,) not successfully recruiting equal/greater talent at positions of need, striking out on a couple diamonds-in-the rough, replacement of position coaches with subpar/lazy hires(Brad Lawing is a top5 D-line coach and his leaving couldn't have been avoided I know,) Spurrier making the 2/3 year comment at the worst possible time, and not capitalizing on the momentum built up from the three 11 win seasons to avoid the massive drop-off of on the field performance witnessed last season are all areas that can be fixed. I just don't see how in one year, those issues can be resolved>
Coaching Stability
-----There's no need to rub salt into the wound here.-----
<Spurrier is a HoF coach and quite possibly the best active game day coach in the nation.... there's no denying it. >
<Lorenzo Ward is a downgrade from Ellis Johnson>
<Deke Adams is a downgrade from Brad Lawing>
<The biggest piece, IMO, is Craig Fitzgerald. His loss was a major blow to ya'll's S&C program>
Sum it Up
<The SEC gives Scar massive amounts of cash. That's great. There isn't one sane person that would argue that they would turn down that massive amount of cash. Not one. That being said, a large portion of the Scar fanbase is under the guise that by netting more money than Clemson(or any other Major D1 school) will instantly add more W's in the win column. Yeah, not true. Point in case: Texas Longhorns(They bring in more cash than ANY school in the country and still manage to suck.) What that money does do for Scar(and any other institution) is help to keep the playing field equal when it comes to facilities game. In modern CFB, it is a necessity for any university that wishes to compete in the recruiting race that they have updated facilities and continuously update those facilities(even if it's not really necessary) and build more when needed. This would prove to be a MASSIVE advantage for Scar if Clemson was in the Mountain West conference or some other less than D1 conference that gets chump change from conference payouts>
<The disparity in cash brought in by the SEC in comparison to its counterparts is, without a doubt, a massive amount more than any other conference and it should, in fact, stir envy from rival conferences. I can't lie about that. My stance, unless proven otherwise, will still be that more money does not directly add w's in the win column; however, it sure helps provide a hell of a monetary foundation to help any university weather most storms.>
-----I think all in all, the article was a pretty good synopsis of where Scar is currently and where they are headed if some things don't change.-----
Georgia has a better recruiting situation than we do. It really isn't close in my mind. There is a greater population in metro Atlanta than in the entire state of SC. I see it pretty much a slam dunk not butt kissing.
Btw, who the hell is Scar?
Btw, who the hell is Scar?
Better recruiting situation or put more into recruiting? We have gotten very lazy in recruiting compared to our competition and it shows.
I would say both. Richt and his assistants recruit very well and they have advantages we don't have. The state of GA produces way more prospects than our state does and their tradition is better. They have the #1 QB coming in next year from the state of Washington. They got Matthew Stafford our of TX. Not sure we can/will go across the country and get the #1 QB to come here.
I agree. We haven't capatalized on getting Clowney by showing if you come here highly recruited, you'll leave a millionaire like Clemsux and everyone else does. There just doesn't seem to be any creative thought from us in recruiting. We seem to be all "if u come here great, if u don't oh well." That's just not reality today unfortunately. The kids want there a$$ kissed and we refuse to do it. Which I agree with. Just don't think it will work anymore though.
Thx Cpn't Obvious.
Who would expect anything less from a rival? geez...
Earth shattering news...a tiger fan hoping for the demise of the Gamecocks football program.
Who would expect anything less from a rival? geez...
Earth shattering news...a tiger fan hoping for the demise of the Gamecocks football program.
We've tried and failed. I think a lot of it has to do with his QB's not doing well in the pros.
South Carolina = Scar.... my uncle's a diehard South Carolina fan and when we discussed anything related to Clemson or South Carolina he always said Scar. Kinda stuck with me.
Earth shattering news.... a tiger fan took an objective approach towards analyzing the information provided only to have a Scar fan retort with zero input to the topic at hand. Can't win with some fans I suppose.
Please cite where I hope for the demise of USCe.
In 2004 Lou Holtz retired and none of the BS we are reading today about recruiting was in print anywhere and it was known he was retiring after that season. He set us up with Steve Spurrier as his successor. It was an incredible few days having say good bye to Lou and welcome another HOF coach to the family. When Steve Spurrier decides to depart, we'll have another proven winner come in to fill his shoes. There are plenty of great coaches that would want to coach at the same place Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier have coached....
Breaking News...Gamecock gives tater fan zero input in response to worthless opinion over speculative, non-informative internet blog...tater fan gets anal.
Gamecock fan further states that tater fan should take his anal-izing back to a CU-e board to be with those more akin to himself and where someone may actually g.a.s...though he feels odds are against the tater. Also suggest to tater fan that free message boards or forums...as internet history has proven time and again...are not the ideal place for rival fans to conduct reasonable, meaningful dialogue in spite of the fact that he realizes the anal tater fan lacks the mental acuity or comprehensive skills to understand due to him posting and offering his useless, unwanted opinion on a free rival message board to begin with, and anyone with more than 2 functional brain cells would learn this fairly quickly. The Gamecock also states that while he recognizes the I.Q. level of the average tater fan in general, he refuses to show mercy because ignorance is not justification for leniency.
For those bashing this year's recruiting, we recruit positions of need because we are not Alabama with their endless depth, thus sometimes we get guys that are not 4 and 5 stars. Additionally, if you look at who remains on the board, there are a lot of higher ranked guys there which often means that early commitments are fewer, which isn't a bad thing. This may be one of those years that we still have openings for 4 - 6 players heading into the final days before the signing date.
I guess you forget we had recruits dropping like dead flies. There is one reason and one reason only that happened.
I guess I jist don't get why taters find it appealing to post on a Gamecock board...in any situation. I have no desire...none, to post on their inbred board and I would think they would feel the same way. Maybe they're Garnet underneath.
Typical Clemson arrrrese on display.
Run along...and run over to the Wake board and talk with them about some "great" ACC football.....nobody cares.
In a better time, the use of the term "USCe" on this forum earned the user a week in the penalty box. Oh, for the return of those days....
Agreed. Most folks I see doing it are CU-e fans.....and I've never heard a Gamecock call us "Scar", ever.
He knows exactly what he's doing. thinks he's a cute tater fan. he's not. just typical idiot klempsun trash.
You rush to judgement too quickly and believe the marketing attempts of the tater's wanting to pass our program too much. 5 in a row demoralized their fans so much, they will do or say anything to keep us down.
All you need to remember is Steve Spurrier said he circled the Clemson game on the calendar next season and wanted all Gamecock fans to do that. Get ready for 6 out of 7 because it is coming.
He said he wanted the Gamecock fans to circle the Clemson game? lol? what? Oh, man, he's going senile.
Yeah, he did. You should know, tiggernet had a big article about it. He's not senile, he's Steve Friggin Spurrier!!! Dumbo's record against him as a head coach is 5-1, so who's senile?!?
