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Hyman was a very good AD, but unfortunately he was disliked . . .

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strongly by the Gamecock Club 'Old Guard' for pricing them out of their 'look-at-me' world and into to the world of competing in big time college athletics. They never quite got over losing their cheap (and good) seats or their very obvious preferred parking spots around the stadium.
 
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I will say this, like him or not he was professional and a businessman. I have always blamed many of the problems at SC's athletic department being a result of having a good ole boy AD. McGee and Hyman did wonders for the athletic department and made tough decisions.
Hope Ray can do the same, but I don't recall many ex-coaches being well served in AD positions. Skip Bertman comes to mind at LSU. These are no longer jobs for OJT.
 
Hyman extended Odom's contract and then hired Horn. He did hire Staley. It was all about him.
 
Garnet chicken said:
Hyman extended Odom's contract and then hired Horn. He did hire Staley. It was all about him.
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Yes. He allowed Witchita State of all schools to outbid USC for the BB coach almost everyone wanted.
Martin may be even better.
 
67gamecock said:
strongly by the Gamecock Club 'Old Guard' for pricing them out of their 'look-at-me' world and into to the world of competing in big time college athletics. They never quite got over losing their cheap (and good) seats or their very obvious preferred parking spots around the stadium.
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whew! glad I don't fall n2 the 'Old Guard' club. Given the non-increases we lived w/ for so long I can live w/ it now.....& somehow have managed to hold on to the seats & parkin' all these yrs. Paul D helped build what we had in 60's & Eric knew it was time for a facelift/new additions to survive today.

only thing he did that I thought was outa line was not sendin' the pep band to nit that 1st yr.
 
I never liked him and it wasn't because I was priced out. I was in the South End Zone when he got here and I'll be in the South End Zone when I quit going to the games.
 
67gamecock said:
strongly by the Gamecock Club 'Old Guard' for pricing them out of their 'look-at-me' world and into to the world of competing in big time college athletics. They never quite got over losing their cheap (and good) seats or their very obvious preferred parking spots around the stadium.
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I didn't have good seats and I didn't have preferred parking but I didn't miss a home game for 30+ years even though there were a lot of reasons to. The YES program was the last straw for me and I thank him often for letting me off the hook.
 
jerryusc said:
Yes. He allowed Witchita State of all schools to outbid USC for the BB coach almost everyone wanted.
Martin may be even better.
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Witchita State didn't out bid us for Marshall since we never put in a bid, we looked at other coaches. I guess someone felt it was a wrong fit or major oversight. Might have been we were looking for a bargain coach since we were pouring so much money into facilities at that time. I agree that it was a mistake but it is understandable why it was made.
 
coxman said:
I didn't have good seats and I didn't have preferred parking but I didn't miss a home game for 30+ years even though there were a lot of reasons to. The YES program was the last straw for me and I thank him often for letting me off the hook.
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You were a first hand witness for a lot of bad football. It costs a lot of money to be good, so I thank him too.
 
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jerryusc said:
Yes. He allowed Witchita State of all schools to outbid USC for the BB coach almost everyone wanted.
Martin may be even better.
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Ummm. No. Hyman could have hired Marshall the first time when he hadn't made a final four and was desperately trying to get USC job. Then didn't interview or place a high bid to get him the 2nd time.
Frank Martin might work out, he's not Greg Marshall. Sorry.

Oh yeah, some have forgotten Hyman was ready to push Ray out in his first year in 2005 because he wanted to bring his own guy in. Some boosters had to step forward in the 11th hour to keep Ray from leaving for Texas A&M. He then undermined Ray from '06-'09 when the program struggled (No Omaha).

But when he wasn't bringing our band to the NIT and having an apology session with Clemson after the brawl and having his wife teach Stephen Garcia manners, he was pumping money into women's basketball. Yayyyy.

P.S. I have the same seats I had before and was more than happy to pay extra to do so. Every A.D. in the country has done this (especially in the SEC). This was not a novel concept by Hyman.
Hyman did very little to enhance the program that wouldn't have been done with a monkey running it. Spending newfound SEC television money on buildings is something every other A.D. did in the league.
 
goldengamecock said:
Ummm. No. Hyman could have hired Marshall the first time when he hadn't made a final four and was desperately trying to get USC job. Then didn't interview or place a high bid to get him the 2nd time.
Frank Martin might work out, he's not Greg Marshall. Sorry.

Oh yeah, some have forgotten Hyman was ready to push Ray out in his first year in 2005 because he wanted to bring his own guy in. Some boosters had to step forward in the 11th hour to keep Ray from leaving for Texas A&M. He then undermined Ray from '06-'09 when the program struggled (No Omaha).

But when he wasn't bringing our band to the NIT and having an apology session with Clemson after the brawl and having his wife teach Stephen Garcia manners, he was pumping money into women's basketball. Yayyyy.

P.S. I have the same seats I had before and was more than happy to pay extra to do so. Every A.D. in the country has done this (especially in the SEC). This was not a novel concept by Hyman.
Hyman did very little to enhance the program that wouldn't have been done with a monkey running it. Spending newfound SEC television money on buildings is something every other A.D. did in the league.
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He "desperately" wanted USC to pay him way more than they were willing to pay him you mean. LOL Nice try to spin it though.
 
goldengamecock said:
Ummm. No. Hyman could have hired Marshall the first time when he hadn't made a final four and was desperately trying to get USC job. Then didn't interview or place a high bid to get him the 2nd time.
Frank Martin might work out, he's not Greg Marshall. Sorry.

Oh yeah, some have forgotten Hyman was ready to push Ray out in his first year in 2005 because he wanted to bring his own guy in. Some boosters had to step forward in the 11th hour to keep Ray from leaving for Texas A&M. He then undermined Ray from '06-'09 when the program struggled (No Omaha).

But when he wasn't bringing our band to the NIT and having an apology session with Clemson after the brawl and having his wife teach Stephen Garcia manners, he was pumping money into women's basketball. Yayyyy.

P.S. I have the same seats I had before and was more than happy to pay extra to do so. Every A.D. in the country has done this (especially in the SEC). This was not a novel concept by Hyman.
Hyman did very little to enhance the program that wouldn't have been done with a monkey running it. Spending newfound SEC television money on buildings is something every other A.D. did in the league.
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WHAT?!! We haven't even gotten any of the SEC Network money yet! Or we just recently got the first check. So basically the one you are calling a monkey is Tanner! I know Hyman hired Horn an Horn wound up to be garbage coach, but he didn't do that on purpose. He didn't know Horn was going to set the team back so badly. Neither did anyone else at the time. He fired Horn after 4 years when everyone said standard was 5 years.
 
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So much fantasy in what golden gamecock wrote it is hard to know where to start. Hyman did have a shot at hiring Marshall the first time when was Horn was hired but not the second time. Marshall's agent was clear they wouldn't interview if the opening offer was a certain number. That number was higher than we had authority to pay, much less start. But haters going to hate.
 
HuntsvilleCock said:
I will say this, like him or not he was professional and a businessman. I have always blamed many of the problems at SC's athletic department being a result of having a good ole boy AD. McGee and Hyman did wonders for the athletic department and made tough decisions.
Hope Ray can do the same, but I don't recall many ex-coaches being well served in AD positions. Skip Bertman comes to mind at LSU. These are no longer jobs for OJT.
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Vince Dooley did very well at Georgia.
 
67gamecock said:
strongly by the Gamecock Club 'Old Guard' for pricing them out of their 'look-at-me' world and into to the world of competing in big time college athletics. They never quite got over losing their cheap (and good) seats or their very obvious preferred parking spots around the stadium.
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He was a terrible AD. Gamecock club membership dropped from 14,500 to 10,000. Football season tickets dropped from 62,000 to 38,000 under his leadership. Every USC sport went dowhill under his leadership except Football, Baseball and WBasketball. And Spurrier and Tanner who werre responsible for the success were McGee Hires. He admitted the YES plan was "at best" revenue neautral. Every coach he hired had a losing record when he left except staley. and let's not underestimate his destruction of the basketball program. Nearly all of the increased revenue was due to SEC money which Slive did and Under Armor (which Spurrier did).

The increased cost was not what pissed people off as Tanner has increased dues and ticket prices and season ticket sales increased from 40,000 to over 50,000 and gamecock club membership increased from 11,000 until over 17,000.

Hyman was disliked by everyone (including Spurrier) bc he was an @sshole.
 
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He was a terrible AD. Gamecock club membership dropped from 14,500 to 10,000. Football season tickets dropped from 62,000 to 38,000 under his leadership. Every USC sport went dowhill under his leadership except Football, Baseball and WBasketball. And Spurrier and Tanner who werre responsible for the success were McGee Hires. He admitted the YES plan was "at best" revenue neautral. Every coach he hired had a losing record when he left except staley. and let's not underestimate his destruction of the basketball program. Nearly all of the increased revenue was due to SEC money which Slive did and Under Armor (which Spurrier did).

The increased cost was not what pissed people off as Tanner has increased dues and ticket prices and season ticket sales increased from 40,000 to over 50,000 and gamecock club membership increased from 11,000 until over 17,000.

Hyman was disliked by everyone (including Spurrier) bc he was an @sshole.
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uscfan1981 said:
He was a terrible AD. Gamecock club membership dropped from 14,500 to 10,000. Football season tickets dropped from 62,000 to 38,000 under his leadership. Every USC sport went dowhill under his leadership except Football, Baseball and WBasketball. And Spurrier and Tanner who werre responsible for the success were McGee Hires. He admitted the YES plan was "at best" revenue neautral. Every coach he hired had a losing record when he left except staley. and let's not underestimate his destruction of the basketball program. Nearly all of the increased revenue was due to SEC money which Slive did and Under Armor (which Spurrier did).

The increased cost was not what pissed people off as Tanner has increased dues and ticket prices and season ticket sales increased from 40,000 to over 50,000 and gamecock club membership increased from 11,000 until over 17,000.

Hyman was disliked by everyone (including Spurrier) bc he was an @sshole.
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You and I will never agree on this but here I go...I hope that Tanner can make the right calls in the next few years regarding coaches. He will have to replace Spurrier at one point and it's starting to look more and more like he's going to have to make a baseball hire. I think Martin is going to get us there but who knows? He might have to make a basketball hire too. These decisions will affect USC athletics for years to come. If he makes the wrong decisions we will regret the day that we let Hyman walk. Hyman may have been an asshole but he made the tough decisions that no one else wanted to make.

Send the band to the NIT? We don't have the money. Fire Dave Odom? We don't have the money? Hire Gregg Marshall? We don't have the money. McGee kept everything so cheap that we didn't have the money to do much of anything the first few years of Hyman's tenure. We had cheap football tickets and that's what kept Gamecock Club donations and ticket sales at record numbers. That's all McGee did besides make a few great hires. I'm not saying he was a terrible AD but he did make a few great hires.

Hyman came in and made the tough decisions. He had a vision and came up with a plan to bring our facilities out of the 1980's. The YES program was implemented for the 2009 season. Average attendance dropped from 80,500 in 2008 to 75,300 in 2009. The team also sucked during this period and we were in the middle of a recession. Was it a bad time to implement it? Probably. But average attendance was back to 79,100 by 2011 and 80,000 by 2012. Once we got the old time Century Club donors out of the west lower it only took a few years to fill all of the seats back up.

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/genrel/112508aaa.html
 
ReadR00ster said:
WHAT?!! We haven't even gotten any of the SEC Network money yet! Or we just recently got the first check. So basically the one you are calling a monkey is Tanner! I know Hyman hired Horn an Horn wound up to be garbage coach, but he didn't do that on purpose. He didn't know Horn was going to set the team back so badly. Neither did anyone else at the time. He fired Horn after 4 years when everyone said standard was 5 years.
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Easy bossman. The SEC contract with ESPN happened before the SEC Network channel. Under Hyman we, and every SEC school, were getting approx. $20 million dollars in TV money before a single ticket or donation was made. Understand now?? That's what most people, like yourself, give credit Hyman for (it certainly wasn't setting the basketball program back10 years w/ one embarrassing move after another).
You give credit for spending unprecedented TV dollars on stuff. This is not a skill. Nor is it to endure success on two coaches you never hired (Spurrier/Tanner)

When Hyman wasn't playing footsies with every major AD opening in the country, he was busy throwing one line of B.S. after another. Again, as a longtime booster, I didn't mind the price hike. But Eric's acumen as a true representative of USC athletics was lackluster. Tanner is a great fit, and is what this school has needed for a long time.
 
HuntsvilleCock said:
I will say this, like him or not he was professional and a businessman. I have always blamed many of the problems at SC's athletic department being a result of having a good ole boy AD. McGee and Hyman did wonders for the athletic department and made tough decisions.
Hope Ray can do the same, but I don't recall many ex-coaches being well served in AD positions. Skip Bertman comes to mind at LSU. These are no longer jobs for OJT.
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Many A.D.s were coaches...not necessarily head coaches, but coached college athletics in some capacity. We can talk about businessmen. I remember a very successful businessman (banker) plus retired Marine officer (& had been a star college football player) who's stint as A.D. wasn't very successful
 
Don't know Hynan. He may be a jerk. Many highly successful people are because they prioritize success above personality. I like Hyman a lot. I think he finally pointed us in the right direction. I think he was our best AD.

I've met Tanner and think he's a terrific person. But, I have grave doubts over his business acumen or ability to evaluate coaches. Could he have developed and implemented the master plan as Hynan did? Is his hire of Holbrook any better than the Horn hire?
 
goldengamecock said:
Easy bossman. The SEC contract with ESPN happened before the SEC Network channel. Under Hyman we, and every SEC school, were getting approx. $20 million dollars in TV money before a single ticket or donation was made. Understand now?? That's what most people, like yourself, give credit Hyman for (it certainly wasn't setting the basketball program back10 years w/ one embarrassing move after another).
You give credit for spending unprecedented TV dollars on stuff. This is not a skill. Nor is it to endure success on two coaches you never hired (Spurrier/Tanner)

When Hyman wasn't playing footsies with every major AD opening in the country, he was busy throwing one line of B.S. after another. Again, as a longtime booster, I didn't mind the price hike. But Eric's acumen as a true representative of USC athletics was lackluster. Tanner is a great fit, and is what this school has needed for a long time.
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Someone has to convince the Board of Trustees. It's not like he has free reign to spend whatever money he wants. He didn't hire Spurrier and Tanner, but he worked closely with them and got them whatever they said they needed. He let Tanner design and build his own state of the art college baseball stadium. Not many ADs would have done that. The poster who said Spurrier didn't like Hyman was fos. Now people are just making up nonsense. He hired Horn but he also hired Staley. Overall our teams experienced more success then ever while he was here. The facilities mproved greatly and it doesn't matter that school got a lot of money. He put that money to use the right way. There was a LOT that had to be done and is still being done and he put it all in motion. In everything but on one bad hiring he got results. If he didn't do a good job he wouldn't have left this one to go to better job at Texas friggin A&M. So yeah complaints about him are rooted in nothing but butt-hurt entitled-feeling good-ole-boys who thought they were going to have their same seats as long as they wanted them. It's about NOTHING else. Anything is nothing but a red herring.
 
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...He let Tanner design and build his own state of the art college baseball stadium. Not many ADs would have done that. The poster who said Spurrier didn't like Hyman was fos...
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WRONG and probably wrong. The baseball stadium was designed, sited, and scheduled before that sob arrived. Rock at the site caused delays and required additional funding. That is when the sob got involved. I never got the impression that Spurrier liked the sob, he just tolerated him and didn't dis the sob in public.
 
GamecockTripp said:
You and I will never agree on this but here I go...I hope that Tanner can make the right calls in the next few years regarding coaches. He will have to replace Spurrier at one point and it's starting to look more and more like he's going to have to make a baseball hire. I think Martin is going to get us there but who knows? He might have to make a basketball hire too. These decisions will affect USC athletics for years to come. If he makes the wrong decisions we will regret the day that we let Hyman walk. Hyman may have been an asshole but he made the tough decisions that no one else wanted to make.

Send the band to the NIT? We don't have the money. Fire Dave Odom? We don't have the money? Hire Gregg Marshall? We don't have the money. McGee kept everything so cheap that we didn't have the money to do much of anything the first few years of Hyman's tenure. We had cheap football tickets and that's what kept Gamecock Club donations and ticket sales at record numbers. That's all McGee did besides make a few great hires. I'm not saying he was a terrible AD but he did make a few great hires.

Hyman came in and made the tough decisions. He had a vision and came up with a plan to bring our facilities out of the 1980's. The YES program was implemented for the 2009 season. Average attendance dropped from 80,500 in 2008 to 75,300 in 2009. The team also sucked during this period and we were in the middle of a recession. Was it a bad time to implement it? Probably. But average attendance was back to 79,100 by 2011 and 80,000 by 2012. Once we got the old time Century Club donors out of the west lower it only took a few years to fill all of the seats back up.

http://www.gamecocksonline.com/genrel/112508aaa.html
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Not firing Odom has cost us more money than keeping him. Our program has been in total hiding for 10 years because we kept him and give him a war chest. Oh wait we won the NIT hahahaha
 
silverspur4life said:
Not firing Odom has cost us more money than keeping him. Our program has been in total hiding for 10 years because we kept him and give him a war chest. Oh wait we won the NIT hahahaha
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So our basketball team has sucked for 40 years but keeping Dave Odom one year too long is the straw that broke the camel's back? Really?
 
coxman said:
WRONG and probably wrong. The baseball stadium was designed, sited, and scheduled before that sob arrived. Rock at the site caused delays and required additional funding. That is when the sob got involved. I never got the impression that Spurrier liked the sob, he just tolerated him and didn't dis the sob in public.
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I think you're right about Hyman and Spurrier. If it wasn't for Spurrier wanting to bring a SEC Championship to a program like Carolina, he would have been long gone when Hyman stuck his nose into Stephen Garcia's personal problems...
 
Love the fact that after multiple suspensions and arrests you guys are still mesmerized by Stephen Garcia.
 
coxman said:
WRONG and probably wrong. The baseball stadium was designed, sited, and scheduled before that sob arrived. Rock at the site caused delays and required additional funding. That is when the sob got involved. I never got the impression that Spurrier liked the sob, he just tolerated him and didn't dis the sob in public.
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Both extremely accurate, and sadly Hyman cronies either choose to ignore it or they just don't know any better.
Glad he's gone.

coxman said:
WRONG and probably wrong. The baseball stadium was designed, sited, and scheduled before that sob arrived. Rock at the site caused delays and required additional funding. That is when the sob got involved. I never got the impression that Spurrier liked the sob, he just tolerated him and didn't dis the sob in public.
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coxman said:
WRONG and probably wrong. The baseball stadium was designed, sited, and scheduled before that sob arrived. Rock at the site caused delays and required additional funding. That is when the sob got involved. I never got the impression that Spurrier liked the sob, he just tolerated him and didn't dis the sob in public.
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jerryusc said:
I don't understand why the BOT went along with that ahole and allowed him to fire Carlen who was one of the best FB coaches USC has ever had. It took USC years to get past that before a great coach would come(Joe).
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A total of 2!
 
cockthehammer# said:
Many A.D.s were coaches...not necessarily head coaches, but coached college athletics in some capacity. We can talk about businessmen. I remember a very successful businessman (banker) plus retired Marine officer (& had been a star college football player) who's stint as A.D. wasn't very successful
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Hey! I liked the man, but the AD job was not his thing, and he proved it. Didn't 'good ole' Jim Holderman hire him?
 
jerryusc said:
I don't understand why the BOT went along with that ahole and allowed him to fire Carlen who was one of the best FB coaches USC has ever had. It took USC years to get past that before a great coach would come(Joe).
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That Senior Class in 1984 was part of Carlen's players, but Joe did a great job of coaching them.
 
AtlasShrugged said:
Let's just say you have a job. You get arrested a handful of times. Using your logic, your boss's boss should just step out of the way and let his subordinate handle. Good one.
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I believe Stephen's grandfather passed away and he got caught drinking after the funeral and was dismissed after the drug test.
 
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