In all honesty, nothing else really needs saying re: the Holbroke problem
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....and the reason every other major baseball program in this country can have off years but we can't is why???
I think some folks on this board would rather be "right" than have the team turn it around next year just so they could say "I told you so."
Look, everyone wants all the team to win. But the ongoing anti-Chad posts aren't going to change anything. Tanner has already said that Holbrook will be back next year, so why not support the team or just move on? Everyone has their opinion as to why things went wrong this year .... is it bad coaching, did players not perform up to ability, did certain kids just not live up to their billing, did Chad's position as HC hurt recruiting since the assistant's do more of the recruiting (as he used to do when he was an assistant)? All possibilities, but I think he has to be given the chance to evaluate all of the above and see how it gets corrected.
I know fans also disagree on when the "slide" began. I still say that year 1 and year 2 were good. While I want Omaha, I don't think of it as a slide when the team lost on the road in Supers to a higher ranked team (Year 1), and I thought he should have been coach of the year last year for getting SC to 40 wins and hosting a regional with all of the injuries (that most folks seem to forget about). SC has been to Omaha 11 times in its history... so it doesn't happen every year.
I heard an interesting stat on the radio today... Prior to this season SC had a .500 or winning record in SEC play for 17 straight years. The next current longest streak is 6 years (by Vanderbilt). So there are some outstanding programs (Florida/LSU etc) that are going to slide every once in a while.
I do agree, that if they don't make the postseason next year, there will be more of a hot-seat, but I'd like to see him fix it and hoping that he does (rather than some folks who just want to dump and fire a coach at the first sign of trouble.... like they did in Spurrier's first few years here.)
Go Gamecocks!
Look, everyone wants all the team to win. But the ongoing anti-Chad posts aren't going to change anything. Tanner has already said that Holbrook will be back next year, so why not support the team or just move on? Everyone has their opinion as to why things went wrong this year .... is it bad coaching, did players not perform up to ability, did certain kids just not live up to their billing, did Chad's position as HC hurt recruiting since the assistant's do more of the recruiting (as he used to do when he was an assistant)? All possibilities, but I think he has to be given the chance to evaluate all of the above and see how it gets corrected.
I know fans also disagree on when the "slide" began. I still say that year 1 and year 2 were good. While I want Omaha, I don't think of it as a slide when the team lost on the road in Supers to a higher ranked team (Year 1), and I thought he should have been coach of the year last year for getting SC to 40 wins and hosting a regional with all of the injuries (that most folks seem to forget about). SC has been to Omaha 11 times in its history... so it doesn't happen every year.
I heard an interesting stat on the radio today... Prior to this season SC had a .500 or winning record in SEC play for 17 straight years. The next current longest streak is 6 years (by Vanderbilt). So there are some outstanding programs (Florida/LSU etc) that are going to slide every once in a while.
I do agree, that if they don't make the postseason next year, there will be more of a hot-seat, but I'd like to see him fix it and hoping that he does (rather than some folks who just want to dump and fire a coach at the first sign of trouble.... like they did in Spurrier's first few years here.)
Go Gamecocks!
Since you say nothing else really needs to be said about it, it would be so nice if you stopped saying things about it.
Frank Martin is 15-41 in SEC games, yet some people are upset over Chad?
Chad gets 3 more years.
Chad gets 3 more years.
I guess some people still don't get it. We aren't having a bad year "just because it happens." We are having a bad year because we are a team loaded with bad baseball players and they are not getting any better under our coaches. We had good players on this team. They are leaving every year and being replaced with bad players. And there is no good reason for that to be happening. That is what we are experiencing.
Because people are not going to support not firing the coach when they think the best thing for the team is to fire the coach that is doing miserably at his job. They will support the team THEIR way which will be continuing to insist Holbrook be replaced no matter what the AD decides.
Did Frank Martin start out with a team that was in the final four the year before?
When you have a splinter in your foot that is keep you from walking, you don't leave it in. You pull it out ASAP so you can heal.
Exactly, I am not a fan at all at this HCIW stuff. It's obviously not working for us. I want us to have a head coach with a proven track record at this level. We just almost had a threepeat in National Titles we should be able to get a better coach than this and better players than we have.
That is nice, Tanner was the coach though not him. Scrubs on Championship teams get rings, it doesn't mean they are not still scrubs.
So....the way you support the team is berating the face of the team, its head coach. I get it, today must be Opposite Day!
You mean the guy not good enough for that role? That shouldn't have that role? Yes. I'll support coaches that are qualified. That actually get the job done. I am not going to support a guy I think is a loser. I want a coach I believe is a winner. That is not Holbrook. The point is to win. The coach has to win if he wants respect and support. It's not free. It's not automatic. The dude has to earn it, and he hasn't come close.
The Gamecocks say: thank you your continued support. We can feel the love and it is appreciated the positive way in which you support your beloved gamecocks. It's encouragement like yours that makes it worth all the time and effort we put into representing the University even when we are not playing and coaching well.
Are you really serious? Frank Martin came into a crater not a hole and IMHO has done pretty well with what he had to work with which was basically a Coliseum to play in.....
Chad at least had something to work with so I can see why some of the folks are upset with the current status of the program.
A comparison of these two coach's and the status of their respective programs is just absurd to be kind.......
A couple of posters beat me to it. Frank Martin inherited a train wreck. Chad Holbroke inherited THE TOP baseball program in these United States. Huge difference.
If I had to bet, I think franks team is the surest thing next year in the men's majors. Where football and baseball are headed is not clear. They could get significantly better or drop off the cliff again. I feel this way because I'm still not really sure why both imploded this season and whether the problems can be turned around quickly. I feel pretty positive that martins team is trending up.
This kind of be positive rah rah stuff us why we are mired in mediocrity for most of our history. That is the perfect attitude to have for your little league team and the local high school team. But college sports is big business and has been for some time- these high paid coaches deserve to be held accountable. The marketing strategy from the athletic departments is to get you to treat multimillion dollar programs like they are the same as the local high school team- that way they can take your money for their coffers and continue to chide you to be positive and support your team even when said team is on a sharp downward trend.
I guarantee you that one of the reasons the Ohio States and Texases and the Alabamas of the world have much bigger trophy cases than ours is because they hold folks accountable
Don't worry about it. RT and the Board of Trustees have told everyone that Chad is the future of the program and everything is super. Maybe Tanner can give him another raise and extension.
This is starting to look like a return to good ole boy days of King Dixon. Put a lousy product on the field and just expect the fans to keep paying. "Wait till next year!"
If Ray Tanner oversees the return of Clemson dominance over USC in athletics, he should be fired, national championships or not.
This is starting to look like a return to good ole boy days of King Dixon. Put a lousy product on the field and just expect the fans to keep paying. "Wait till next year!"
If Ray Tanner oversees the return of Clemson dominance over USC in athletics, he should be fired, national championships or not.
If he inherited "THE TOP" baseball program in the country, where was Michael Roth, Christian Walker, Matt Price, Adam Matthews, and Evan Marzili???? I don't remember a single game they played in when Holbrook inherited "THE TOP" baseball program in these United States. THAT was one of the top ranked teams. Those guys went pro. But you are too blinded by your own agenda or just maybe not smart enough to see things for what they are. I think even Tanner would have been pleased with going to a Super Regional and playing a higher ranked team and coming that close to Omaha without those players listed above. I didn't say he would have been satisfied.
Holbrook inherited a really good team but he DID NOT "INHERIT THE TOP BASEBALL PROGRAM IN THESE UNITED STATES"
He inherited the best program, though perhaps not the best team. There's a distinction there you're perhaps missing. And players do move on. It doesn't just happen at SC.
