Is -2 yards rushing a record for us?

[Southern Fried Chicken]

The problem is we keep hiring OC's worth $200k and paying them $1 million.

My friend, paying a $200K OC $1MM is NOT our problem!!!

Our problem is hiring a HBC who has never before been a HBC nor an Offensive Coordinator nor, a Defensive Coordinator nor, a Defensive Line Coach nor, an Offensive Line Coach AND YET WE"RE PAYING FRANK'S BOY $6+MM every year. EACH AND EVERY YEAR. How much you make? Me neither.

And our return on investment is -2 TOTAL yards rushing? Our QB gets SACKED 9 TIMES on National TV??A 14 point loss to our name-sharing, Border Rival on National Primetime TV???

No, my friend. Paying a $200K OC $1MM is not the problem. It's the Personnel Department.

 

[uscwatson21]

My friend, paying a $200K OC $1MM is NOT our problem!!!

Our problem is hiring a HBC who has never before been a HBC nor an Offensive Coordinator nor, a Defensive Coordinator nor, a Defensive Line Coach nor, an Offensive Line Coach AND YET WE"RE PAYING FRANK'S BOY $6+MM every year. EACH AND EVERY YEAR. How much you make? Me neither.

And our return on investment is -2 TOTAL yards rushing? Our QB gets SACKED 9 TIMES on National TV?? A 3 touchdown loss to our name-sharing, Border Rival on National Primetime TV???

No, my friend. Paying a $200K OC $1MM is not the problem. It's the Personnel Department.

This post is perfect. It just amazed me how many people in the offseason were celebrating his $6 million raise.

 

[Ward Jr]

You're just making things up. We're paying a HC 6 million dollars, we could easily pay a talented OC $1.5 to $2 million.

The problem is we keep hiring OC's worth $200k and paying them $1 million.

The issue is that talented OC's don't block. Our currently O-line looks small, slow and confused. Top OLs know how to block. They don't need to be taught much. Pay them $50-100K each, find a ball control back and you might find they make Loggins look brilliant.

Based on the current NIL and portal rules, we could go shopping today. It will also probably save money trying to find a needle-in-the-haystack OC who has enough talent to make up for our lack of talent on the field.

Let's not forget that Rattler outplayed Maye with almost a non-existent OL or running game. Play calling wasn't great on Saturday Night, but it's not the reason we lost that game. We need to be able to block and run.

 

[uscwatson21]

The issue is that talented OC's don't block. Our currently O-line looks small, slow and confused. Top OLs know how to block. They don't need to be taught much. Pay them $50-100K each, find a ball control back and you might find they make Loggins look brilliant.

Based on the current NIL and portal rules, we could go shopping today. It will also probably save money trying to find a needle-in-the-haystack OC who has enough talent to make up for our lack of talent on the field.

Let's not forget that Rattler outplayed Maye with almost a non-existent OL or running game. Play calling wasn't great on Saturday Night, but it's not the reason we lost that game. We need to be able to block and run.

The issue isn't just Saturday night. Loggains should never have been hired as the OC.

 

[Ward Jr]

The issue isn't just Saturday night. Loggains should never have been hired as the OC.

Most OCs are only as good as the talent on the field. Computer analysis now provides the general framework for play calling from game to game. IMO, no reason to overpay for that position unless you've already got the gameday horses to implement.

As witnessed Saturday, we need better horses at key positions. The announcers were regularly pointing out how bad we were on the OL. This has been going on well before Loggins arrived.

 

[Lurker123]

Most OCs are only as good as the talent on the field. Computer analysis now provides the general framework for play calling from game to game. IMO, no reason to overpay for that position unless you've already got the gameday horses to implement.

As witnessed Saturday, we need better horses at key positions. The announcers were regularly pointing out how bad we were on the OL. This has been going on well before Loggins arrived.

Thaen who is at fault? It's the third year of this staff. With the transfer portal on pla e, we've been "building" this line for three years.

If it's not Loggins, is it Satterfield? Or is it their boss?

 

[Ward Jr]

Thaen who is at fault? It's the third year of this staff. With the transfer portal on pla e, we've been "building" this line for three years.

If it's not Loggins, is it Satterfield? Or is it their boss?

It's the age old question. Spurrier had pretty decent OLs following the years he was breaking into the Top 10 in recruiting. Otherwise, it's typically been a slog at USC for the most part. The difference between a Top 20 recruiting class and a Top 10 recruiting class is so vast. Our coaches recruit skill players hard to keep fan interest within the 4-year churn (plus portal now). Layers of line development would typically be the long game and coaches at USC are just trying to survive.

At times, our starting five can look pretty decent. The challenge is keeping them healthy and on the field. Linemen get injured all the time and we've never had that depth in those positions like the BAMAs and UGAs. That's top 5/10 recruiting for years on end.

The NIL and portal could potentially provide a short cut though. It's just a matter of how much financial support the "Garnet Trusts" can produce. Colorado and Deion Sanders could be a good model for USC if Beamer doesn't work out. Find a flashy character like we did we Spurrier who can pull in big contributions to pull in big recruits.

 

[uscwatson21]

Most OCs are only as good as the talent on the field. Computer analysis now provides the general framework for play calling from game to game. IMO, no reason to overpay for that position unless you've already got the gameday horses to implement.

As witnessed Saturday, we need better horses at key positions. The announcers were regularly pointing out how bad we were on the OL. This has been going on well before Loggins arrived.

Then why are we spending 6-8 million on a staff if chatgpt can do the job for them and instead just spend the money on players?

 

[Lurker123]

It's the age old question. Spurrier had pretty decent OLs following the years he was breaking into the Top 10 in recruiting. Otherwise, it's typically been a slog at USC for the most part. The difference between a Top 20 recruiting class and a Top 10 recruiting class is so vast. Our coaches recruit skill players hard to keep fan interest within the 4-year churn (plus portal now). Layers of line development would typically be the long game and coaches at USC are just trying to survive.

At times, our starting five can look pretty decent. The challenge is keeping them healthy and on the field. Linemen get injured all the time and we've never had that depth in those positions like the BAMAs and UGAs. That's top 5/10 recruiting for years on end.

The NIL and portal could potentially provide a short cut though. It's just a matter of how much financial support the "Garnet Trusts" can produce. Colorado and Deion Sanders could be a good model for USC if Beamer doesn't work out. Find a flashy character like we did we Spurrier who can pull in big contributions to pull in big recruits.

I understand, and agree for the most part.

I am also not asking for the OL of Bama or Georgia. But if we had o e like Kentucky, Arkansas, or even Missouri, it would be a step up.

I think, given the time this staff has been here, we should be able to field a mediocre OL at least.

 

[uscwatson21]

I understand, and agree for the most part.

I am also not asking for the OL of Bama or Georgia. But if we had o e like Kentucky, Arkansas, or even Missouri, it would be a step up.

I think, given the time this staff has been here, we should be able to field a mediocre OL at least.

Yeah the issue is we have the most talented QB we've ever had and he will be gone after this year. We absolutely just needed a serviceable OL this year.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

3 Legendary NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP winning coaches.

If you're going to post ridiculously childish comments, at least KNOW what you are talking about and get the facts straight.

Facts? We don't need no stinking FACTS.

Oh yeah, I forgot about how all those young top notch OCs are sitting around considering South Carolina a great job because we were able to hire a NC winning coach almost 60 years ago. LOL

 

[uscwatson21]

Oh yeah, I forgot about how all those young top notch OCs are sitting around considering South Carolina a great job because we were able to hire a NC winning coach almost 60 years ago. LOL

Why even be a fan if you think so poorly of us?

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

You're just making things up. We're paying a HC 6 million dollars, we could easily pay a talented OC $1.5 to $2 million.

The problem is we keep hiring OC's worth $200k and paying them $1 million.

Never said we couldn't. We could probably pay even more.

But you act like that is by choice? Beamer, with $6 million on the line every year, decided to go cheaper and not get the best he could get on purpose.

Why on earth would he do that?

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Why even be a fan if you think so poorly of us?

I'm just telling you the truth. It's not a good job for a proven OC or an OC on the rise. Beamer is limited in what he can do. We are going to have to find a diamond in the rough, support him through thick and thin, and give him the time needed. And then hope, if he is successful, we can pay enough to keep him, and he wants to be here. The offensive version of papa Beamer's Bud Foster. Maintain a high level of success for a generation of players, and things will change.

And it's not just OC. Looks at the last 2 hires for Head Coach. Tom Herman sat at Houston for another year when he could have had our job paying a lot more. Billy Napier sat at Louisiana another year when he could have gotten our job paying a lot more. These guys aren't stupid. They know their worth, they know the advantages and disadvantages of each school, and time and money on their side to allow them to get the best opportunity they can. We are definitely considered a risky choice. Not to say it couldn't happen. Spurrier coming here proved that. But it would have to be a situation that unique at the right time. It could happen. Anything is possible. Probable is an entirely different story.

 

[Southern Fried Chicken]

Oh yeah, I forgot about how all those young top notch OCs are sitting around considering South Carolina a great job because we were able to hire a NC winning coach almost 60 years ago. LOL

Fine! Have it your way. BUT, Frank's Boy had no qualifications, WHATSOEVER, to become a SEC (The Dominant Conference in NCAA FOOTBALL) head football coach. And you want to use 'everybody hate on us' as the reason for Saturday night's clown show??? .... MINUS 2 yards rushing??? 9...NINE! SACKS???

C'mon, could it possibly be No One, out there, is a believer in Frank's Boy? Look, I certainly RESPECT your Gamecock loyalty. Optimism is great for church services and sales meetings. Ass Kicking is reserved for combat and football.

 

[Lurker123]

Oh yeah, I forgot about how all those young top notch OCs are sitting around considering South Carolina a great job because we were able to hire a NC winning coach almost 60 years ago. LOL

Was Spurrier 60 years ago?

 

[Lurker123]

Why even be a fan if you think so poorly of us?

It certainly is a turnaround from her sunshine pumper days.

I guess Satterfield getting the boot just finally broke her. Now she's all doom and gloom.

I guess we have to start calling her a tater now.

 

[Lurker123]

Never said we couldn't. We could probably pay even more.

But you act like that is by choice? Beamer, with $6 million on the line every year, decided to go cheaper and not get the best he could get on purpose.

Why on earth would he do that?

There is the possibility that he makes bad decisions. But someone would have to be reasonable to consider that.

 

[uscwatson21]

Why on earth would he do that?

Because he's thin skinned and wanted to show everyone he knows more than everyone else, when he doesn't.

 

[Ward Jr]

Then why are we spending 6-8 million on a staff if chatgpt can do the job for them and instead just spend the money on players?

You're looking in to the future. If it was feasible, I'd get the best players money can buy and take my chances on talented high school or D2 coaches and pay them $300-500K with no bailouts or long contracts. If they flounder, rotate them out quickly and get a new set in. If they succeed, there would be an escalation clause based on revenue.

There's plenty of talented coaches who never hit the college football coaching marketing jetstream. We could have thrown a rock and hit someone who could have coached better than our $30+mil jewel, Will Muschamp.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Because he's thin skinned and wanted to show everyone he knows more than everyone else, when he doesn't.

Thanks, Oprah. Ridiculous.

Beamer could have had Loggains the day after Satterfield left. There was a reason it took a couple of weeks.

The bottom line is that Loggains wasn't a homerun hire, just like I said we wouldn't have. But there was no homerun hire we could have gotten. He deserves time to get things going. Hope he proves you and the other howling monkeys wrong. But this is what you asked for when you wanted change. Now deal with it, because another change isn't coming for a while.

 

[Lurker123]

But this is what you asked for when you wanted change. Now deal with it, because another change isn't coming for a while.

Change may come sooner than we expect if Loggains doesn't magically improve.

Maybe he'll get "stolen" away like Satterfield was.