Can't stop simple picks for layups.
Poor time management.
All on coaching.
Tremendous effort though
Poor time management.
All on coaching.
Tremendous effort though
MBB Right there for the taking..... TWICE!!!!
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Stop it. Coaching kept us in this game. Paris’ ATOs were excellent. He did call a timeout at the end. We had a freshman panic and hurled the ball at the basket. We got away with it and the Refs gave us the TO. Why that was not a violation on Davis I don’t know. Further, you can’t blitz a screen when you have a savvy player that rejects the pick, plays off two feet, and knows how to score. We just got beat by a player that was better than what our personnel had to offer.
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You know I haven’t been a big fan of the hire but I have been impressed with the improvement over the last couple of weeks. We’ve shown some heart and effort over the last few weeks and that’s not easy to do when the season isn’t going well.
This game was a lot of fun. We’re not as good as Alabama but we showed some fight and grit tonight. While the crowd wasn’t a sellout, the ones that were there were pretty rowdy and into it from start to finish.
It’s a shame we could not win it. There were fights in the crowd. It got chippy on the court—of course part of that was with two SC kids choosing to go to Alabama. Part was the Miller situation. The crowd was on him. The kid is a player but I’m not sure how much time he has left.
Honestly outside of beating Clemson in game one it was probably the most fun I’ve had at a game since 2017.
I am happy.
Just one observation: Coaching error---not having Grey in game for last play : BVG Let Miller score uncontested Good game --- good one for coaches and players
and us fans too!
Just one observation: Coaching error---not having Grey in game for last play : BVG Let Miller score uncontested Good game --- good one for coaches and players
and us fans too!
Bama has a chance to win it all this year and they can't do that without Miller. They will cover this kid and fight through the storm until the media chases the next big story.
Grey had either bad leg cramps or got kneed in the thigh. He could barely make to the bench and the medical staff was on him immediately but couldn't get him ready to go back in
I am still feeling SORROW, GRIEF AND SADNESS about the game last night. Hoping that South Carolina can have a competitive game against Tennessee Saturday.
It was cramps. Normally I would not state such things but I stayed long enough after the game to hear it from him when one of his family or friends asked. Good news is he will be fine. Bad news is we could have used him in that stretch.
Certainly was a travel. However, you are not going to get that call against a star player like Miller. You may get it in some local high school gym when a star player is playing a road game. However, I wouldn't even expect that in a high level college or professional game that late in the game. Refs are going to usually let the players decide it.
Make a stop. I don’t like winning on cheap calls like a guy stepped one inch out of the coaching box or a shuffle of the feet that most didn’t notice in real time until a butt-hurt Tennessee fan circulated a video because he is mad that Tennessee native Miller didn’t choose UT.
I am going to test your consistency. So, the refs should call every touch foul in late game situations, right? Oh I forgot, you lament the refs not letting defenders play defense on the higher levels. Bosmans-Verdonk made contact with Miller twice on that last play. Want the refs to call that? Probably not. Sometimes as fans we want it both ways. We want to let the kids play when it benefits us or have the refs call ticky-tack stuff when it benefits us. You guys know if GG had the ball and the refs called a travel on the same move, you would be losing your minds. Probably saying, “you can’t make a ticky-tack call like that in the last 5 seconds.”
I tend to agree, but he didn't just pick up a pivot foot - he was dancing back there before even considering putting the ball on the floor. This one is a "small" infraction (as in, more procedural), but it was very blatant and no one could make even the smallest argument that he didn't travel. I put this type of call up there with the "T" on Weber for calling a timeout. It stinks to end the game that way, but something so clear has to be called.
That walk was pretty extreme. It wasn't even close.
I mean I get you are going to miss a few - but goodness.
I don't consider that losing the game. It was just one of those plays the good players get away with because officials let the better players get away with a lot more- and that was an extreme one. (one of the reasons I quit watching basketball for the most part)
Nobody was talking about that walk until the UT fan brought it up. So, a lot of us missed it. Just like the ref. Also, in a late game situation, you just are not going to get that call. My thing with officiating is consistency. If you call it loose at the end and I know that, I don't have a problem. If you call it tight and you are going to be calling a lot of travels, 3 seconds and such, okay, just as long as you are consistent with it. You can go back and probably highlight 10 different plays in the game when guys on both teams travelled, palmed the ball, etc. However, highlighting one play after we lost is bogus IMO. How about the 3 late layups we blew at the end of regulation. One by GG on a defender that was about 6'2". Make those bunnies and we are not even in a late game situation. Watching a clip in slow motion (where the producer of the clip already told you what happened) is not officiating a game in real time.
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As a former basketball coach I have to say that walk is easier to see from a view a couple hundred feet above the floor. It’s a lot harder to see at court level at the officials view, not to mention it being at the end of the game where everything is magnified.
If we’re being perfectly honest most fans didn’t even see it. If they had you would have heard twelve thousand people chanting walk which you did not. The coaching staff didn’t see it. I didn’t see them argue to the officials and usually in that situation you would.
It was a missed call, but it’s exaggerated by the slowing down of it. Did it happen? Yes. Was it missed? Yes. But practically everyone in the arena missed it. Everyone.
If we’re being perfectly honest most fans didn’t even see it. If they had you would have heard twelve thousand people chanting walk which you did not. The coaching staff didn’t see it. I didn’t see them argue to the officials and usually in that situation you would.
It was a missed call, but it’s exaggerated by the slowing down of it. Did it happen? Yes. Was it missed? Yes. But practically everyone in the arena missed it. Everyone.
I can buy that. In fact, sold. I think the part of no one in the arena raising a fuss is huge. And I can appreciate a missed call over a ref swallowing his whistle on something so egregious simply because it was the end of the game. Ticky-tack stuff like slightly moving a pivot foot, I could see letting them play. This guy was doing a TikTok dance out there.
But, the kid has some real "slight-of-foot" skills. Even watching the replay you question if you're actually seeing what you're seeing. I would imagine in real-time no one would be ready to call it.
You’re right about the crowd reaction. Refs won’t admit it but they’re human and I’ve heard plenty of late whistles based on fan reaction. Not all the time but sometimes when 10,000 people see something simultaneously the human part of officiating knows they screwed up.
If they don’t get it then, you can almost bank on a make up call in the next trip or two down the court.
Call it like it is written in the rule book. Call it every time. Players will make the adjustments.
Adjust to how it is called today. Damn the rule book. People who adjust will always win their share. People worrying about the rule book will be left back crying about how it is supposed to be. Let me be clear. I am not saying just tear up the rule book. I am saying adjust to what the refs are calling whatever that may be and you will never be crying about what the game should be. Football doesn’t look the same as it did in 1970. Why should basketball look the same as it did in 1970.
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To throw something into this argument, yesterday West Virginia was called for a travel in the final second of the game against Kansas.
So we going to let the refs determine the rules? This set calls it this way, another set calls it another way. The game goes to pieces. No matter what the style of play may be through the years, follow the rules of you have no game. You get what you see today - travel, carry.
That’s reality. You know why that is? .. because people who know the game can see it totally different. I don’t want to bring politics in it, but it’s like how two different sets of people can look at the constitution’s words and see totally opposite things. What I am saying at the end of the day is don’t get caught up in a ref calling the game in a way that’s different than how you see it. Refs are human beings not robots. Part of being a good coach is knowing the refs and knowing what their pet calls are.
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Kind of like having to learn how the umpire is calling a game of baseball. Hmmm. We just had this conversation.
Well, I don’t like the “reality,” as you call it. 3-4 steps is not a walk, I can pick the ball up and change directions and be unguardable, and then what’s around the corner? Not calling goal tending? The shot clock - if it’s close don’t call it?
The eroding of the rules, just like in society. Allow a little theft and it gets bigger later. Allow a little dope and the next thing is the country is overrun. Etc.
The eroding of the rules, just like in society. Allow a little theft and it gets bigger later. Allow a little dope and the next thing is the country is overrun. Etc.
The reality is that the there are more and more rules and this is resulting in reducing the effectiveness of human refereeing,
Next time you watch a game---keep a record of how many times the game is stopped to go to replay monitors. Then to how on one end of the floor a ref will call a touch foul. Then on the other end only hard fouls are called. The best thing that can be done is to eliminate going to the replay montor only for time clock settings.
The game calling is slowly vecomeing robotic
Next time you watch a game---keep a record of how many times the game is stopped to go to replay monitors. Then to how on one end of the floor a ref will call a touch foul. Then on the other end only hard fouls are called. The best thing that can be done is to eliminate going to the replay montor only for time clock settings.
The game calling is slowly vecomeing robotic
Okay, take your ball and go home just because you don't like outcomes. Just like Ben said, a walk was called in the Kansas game. So, there are refs out there that call the game the way you like it. However, everyone does not see it like you. That wasn't true in the 70's and it is not true now.
I am going to put a test out there for everyone. When you say rulebook, what rulebook are you talking about? High School? College? NBA? FIBA? The truth is the rule books are a little different for all of them. For example, if you shoot an air ball in High School. You can rebound the ball and put it back in (Legitimate Shot Rule) and there is no travel. In the NBA, if you shoot an air ball, you can't be the first to touch the ball. If that happens it is a travel. Further, the NBA rules gives you an extra gather step that you are not supposed to get in college. Same for International Play, FIBA. FIBA, also, has different Goaltending rules than we are used to. You can swat the ball off or put the ball back in once it touches the rim no matter if the ball is in the cylinder or not. What happens is that some people get caught up on how they were taught the game and really don't take the time to read the rules on all levels. They think the universal rule is the rule they were taught growing up.
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I'm convinced this was just a missed call, as opposed to a ref swallowing his whistle. As others have pointed out, no one who was there in person was complaining about it - not the fans, not the coaches. If thousands miss the same thing, then it's hard to put that one on the refs. Sure, it's their job. But the dude was isolated in the middle of the court, and still, no one in person said anything. Dude just has magic feet.
Maybe we as fans got caught up in what referees get caught up in sometimes. You give the star player so much respect that you are not looking for the error in that situation. It was an obvious walk. Yet, most fans didn't notice it in real time. You put a role player in that same situation out in the middle of the floor and you see it because your expectation of that sort of play is heightened.
Whatever the rule book says for each league, call it that way. Or “the FBI” will be on you, especially if you take 5-6 steps and have a habit of carrying the ball (Morant and Harden). Great job by that guy of exposing the mess of the calls in the NBA.
The problem with that is you can expose mess on every level. The call from last week's game makes that obvious. Further, I have coached a youth team for several years. We get high school refs for our games. Every ref calls it different. You've got travel refs. You've got foul refs. You've got refs where every block/charge situation is a charge, etc. From your posts, you would be a travel/carrying guy and you would allow defenders to play football.
I like walking/carrying to be called, you are correct. I taught my players how to play by those rules. I like a game where some contact is allowed as long as no advantage is gained. To those that don’t like contact, go play tennis.
Sorry, Basketball is not football. If you are allowed to steer a player with arms or hands, the defensive player is gaining an advantage by impeding a player from the basket. I think we have had this discussion before. If you want to play defense, play defense with your feet and get in legal guarding position. Most good coaches teach that. I am not sure what you were teaching, but hand checking has been out of the game for years. Kids draw charges all the time by getting in legal guarding position. You get in the right spot and "Show your hands", not "Use your hands". Only played tennis 2-3 times so I don't want to do that. However, I know good defense and what you are trying to put out there is 80s and 90s style defense that were fouls back then. They just weren't being called. If you are waiting for hip-checks and elbows on a cutter, Clotheslining players going in for a lay-up and those type of things, the game has just passed you by and why even talk about it. Those things are not coming back. Sounds like you were player that lacked lateral quickness when you played and needed those types of things when you competed.
I wasn’t talking about clotheslining, forearm checks and such things. Yes, all that should be called. I’m talking about Ricky tack fouls being called where no one gains an advantage. And about players jumping out of the way so they won’t get dunked on. Giving open paths to the basket, etc. contact is allowed unless someone gains an advantage.
