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Not that I care about either of those teams, but it seemed to me

GulfCoastCock

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Duke had 3 extra players on the court....They let Duke do whatever they wanted, but Wisconsin couldn't touch on defense...
 
The first half was fine. The second half was all Duke from the refs point of view. Okefore should have fouled out. Terrible on defense.
 
Grow critical calls or lack of them went Dukes way in final minutes. First was when Winslow stepped out of bounds before feeding Okafor and the second was on the out of bounds call which was not reversed when clearly the Duke pla yer touched it with his fingernail. Coach K is great but boy does he get the calls, much like Dean Smith used to.
 
Duke committed fouls which is why they were in foul trouble,. Wisc was on the wrong end of several 2nd half calls. Though I did think that the Wisc big man shuffled his feet before driving to the basket once and it wasn't called.
 
There were enough bad calls both ways that it evened out. Not seeing anyone mentioning the missed foul call on the Jones breakaway at the end of the game. Plenty of calls went Wisconsin way in the first half. The refs didn't make any shots for either team.
 
2 extra possession in a one point game with 2 minutes to go is very difficult to overcome. No leveling that out.

And Winslow is a fouling machine. They missed a blatant charge on him and another obvious foul on him when Frank went to the basket on a layup.
 
Originally posted by 1987cgamecock:
Yeah, I guess that is why duke and okafor were in foul trouble all night.
Okafor was in foul trouble because he's a lesser player when going up against Kaminsky. The fouls usually follow that.
 
Originally posted by cockydev:
Originally posted by 1987cgamecock:
Yeah, I guess that is why duke and okafor were in foul trouble all night.
Okafor was in foul trouble because he's a lesser player when going up against Kaminsky. The fouls usually follow that.
There isn't one NBA GM that would take Kaminsky over Okafor.
 
Go over to the Kentucky board and you'll see they're still complaining about the officiating in their game against Wisconsin, including the missed shot-clock violation near the end of the game. It all evens out in the end. Duke was the best team in the tournament.
 
This is said every time they win. Lather rinse repeat. I dunno maybe, just maybe they're actually good and that's why they win.
 
When Okafor picked up his 4th foul there was no way the refs would call another foul on Winslow and put both Duke big men on the bench. Winslow was allowed to run over Wisconsin players with no call. Had the refs called a charge on him like they should have both Duke bigs would have been on the bench with 9 minutes left in the game.
 
Originally posted by lazenge44:

Originally posted by cockydev:
Originally posted by 1987cgamecock:
Yeah, I guess that is why duke and okafor were in foul trouble all night.
Okafor was in foul trouble because he's a lesser player when going up against Kaminsky. The fouls usually follow that.
There isn't one NBA GM that would take Kaminsky over Okafor.
I'm sorry - I thought I was watching the NCAA championship last night not an NBA game.

Kaminsky was the impact player. Okafor was the hype.
 
Originally posted by cockydev:
Originally posted by lazenge44:

Originally posted by cockydev:
Originally posted by 1987cgamecock:
Yeah, I guess that is why duke and okafor were in foul trouble all night.
Okafor was in foul trouble because he's a lesser player when going up against Kaminsky. The fouls usually follow that.
There isn't one NBA GM that would take Kaminsky over Okafor.
I'm sorry - I thought I was watching the NCAA championship last night not an NBA game.

Kaminsky was the impact player. Okafor was the hype.
C'mon, man. Kaminsky is a senior and Okafor is a freshman. Kaminsky averaged 4 point per game as a sophomore.
 
Originally posted by DarkCock:

Originally posted by cockydev:
Originally posted by lazenge44:

Originally posted by cockydev:
Originally posted by 1987cgamecock:
Yeah, I guess that is why duke and okafor were in foul trouble all night.
Okafor was in foul trouble because he's a lesser player when going up against Kaminsky. The fouls usually follow that.
There isn't one NBA GM that would take Kaminsky over Okafor.
I'm sorry - I thought I was watching the NCAA championship last night not an NBA game.

Kaminsky was the impact player. Okafor was the hype.
C'mon, man. Kaminsky is a senior and Okafor is a freshman. Kaminsky averaged 4 point per game as a sophomore.
and it's nice to see a player develop over 4 years of college basketball. It's much more appealing than these guys who come to college for one season and leave.
 
Originally posted by alston:
There were enough bad calls both ways that it evened out. Not seeing anyone mentioning the missed foul call on the Jones breakaway at the end of the game. Plenty of calls went Wisconsin way in the first half. The refs didn't make any shots for either team.
This ^^^^^^
 
Originally posted by Quisp:
This is said every time they win. Lather rinse repeat. I dunno maybe, just maybe they're actually good and that's why they win.
It's said all the time because it's true. Also, being good and getting a lot of help aren't mutually exclusive. Duke was very good, but every 50/50 call goes their way. It's been that way since the 80s, and folks pretty much take it for what it is now.
Look at the way their long home win streak ended: They got torched. That's the only possible way to win in Cameron. You have to blow them out. If you lead by 4-8 points late, the refs are going to take over and reel it back in for Duke to at least have a shot down the stretch, and to their credit, they usually capitalize.
 
Originally posted by caigmaster:


Originally posted by alston:
There were enough bad calls both ways that it evened out. Not seeing anyone mentioning the missed foul call on the Jones breakaway at the end of the game. Plenty of calls went Wisconsin way in the first half. The refs didn't make any shots for either team.
This ^^^^^^
Please,

The whiners see what they want to see. EXACTLY, Lets not mention the Jones foul, the whiners didn't see that one
 
Wisconsin acted like they should never be called for a foul. Kept hearing announcers say they get called for least amount of fouls. If one is called against them, they are shocked. Adjust to the way the refs are calling the game. They were not complaining with the 2 pts they were given in the KY game when the shot clock expired.
 
"Every 50/50 call goes their way". If you really such a thing then why watch the games? I bring this up every time some fans bring up the same stuff about Bama football. Refs want them to win blah blah blah blah blah.

Go right on believing it but truth is the game is fast paced and the refs aren't the superhuman arbitrators that we think or wish them to be. They will miss calls all the time. It happens. If you focus on the calls that confirm your belief you will find them and those that don't you ignore.
 
Originally posted by Quisp:
"Every 50/50 call goes their way". If you really such a thing then why watch the games? I bring this up every time some fans bring up the same stuff about Bama football. Refs want them to win blah blah blah blah blah.

Go right on believing it but truth is the game is fast paced and the refs aren't the superhuman arbitrators that we think or wish them to be. They will miss calls all the time. It happens. If you focus on the calls that confirm your belief you will find them and those that don't you ignore.
Because many teams are able to overcome it. It doesn't make them unbeatable obviously, and I truly believe were they on a completely level playing field, they'd still be a top 3 program in the country. In watching many, many duke games over the years, however it's there ... maybe even unintentionally on the refs' part. No one works the refs as well as Coach K does.
You really don't hear it about with any other top team, on an every game basis, either. Sure, there are individual games where UNC, Kansas, Kentucky get beneficial treatment, but on the whole, no where is it as consistent as Duke.
I think that lends some credence to it, because if it were just a hate/jealousy thing, it would be said about all the teams who are frequently in title contention.
As far as football I don't think there is an equivalent in the college ranks.
 
Yep, Bama.

I think a couple of years ago they went all year without one single holding call.
 
Originally posted by Quisp:
"Every 50/50 call goes their way". If you really such a thing then why watch the games? I bring this up every time some fans bring up the same stuff about Bama football. Refs want them to win blah blah blah blah blah.

Go right on believing it but truth is the game is fast paced and the refs aren't the superhuman arbitrators that we think or wish them to be. They will miss calls all the time. It happens. If you focus on the calls that confirm your belief you will find them and those that don't you ignore.
No excuse for missing the call on instant replay. I could easily see that on all angles of replay. No excuse for the refs allowing Kentucky to hit a player in the face and knock him down without a flagrant. Neither of those calls have anything to do fast paced or superhuman.

If you don't believe me, name 2 bad calls that the Gamecocks benefited from all season that are equivalent to the missed step out of bound and missing tip that Duke got in just 2 minutes at the end of that game. The ref had a perfect view of the step out of bound and should have been all over it. And the replay was a joke. If these things just randomly happen, please tell me when they have randomly happened for us.
This post was edited on 4/7 2:40 PM by Carolina Bo
 
I really only watch basketball when it is tournament time. (Another way of saying I don't watch much Gamecock basketball.) So I can't name bad calls that would have benefited us.

But, again, I don't get worked up about refs. I think you guys who think they have a little "time to help so and so" meter are just wasting your time watching the games. You will always find something to get upset about.

This post was edited on 4/7 3:13 PM by Quisp
 
Originally posted by Carolina Bo:

The first half was fine. The second half was all Duke from the refs point of view. Okefore should have fouled out. Terrible on defense.
Who is terrible on defense? Duke? They were by far the best defensive team of the tournament. Not even close.
 
Coach K said before half that wisconsin wasn't fouling. So, he had his guys initiate contact with their elbows and the refs bit. Great coaching.

Jay Bilas said that Coach K is a master at getting calls. Jay thinks that the refs should be full time and take the coach's whining out of play.

If anyone objective watched that game, you have to believe that the way the game was called in the second half was exactly what Coach K was saying before halftime. It is no coincidence.

It is not whining for people who have no worrries or cares about this game to point out the obvious.

I don't believe anyone knows what would happen if the game was called differently. Duke may have just started raining in 3s. They have a better freshmen class than UK and it showed. I think it was clear that Duke benefited from the way the second half was called more than wisconsin, however.
 
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