OT: Mark Emmert signals cataclysmic shift coming to college athletics

[GarnetBeamer]

Concedes that college athletics is moving towards deregulation and decentralization.

Emmert: 'Right time' to decentralize NCAA sports

NCAA President Mark Emmert said Thursday now is the "right time" to consider a decentralized and deregulated version of college sports.

www.espn.com

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

This quote was taken from the article mentioned.
"We need to be ready to say, 'Yeah, you know, for field hockey, field hockey is different than football. Wrestling is different than lacrosse,' and not get so hung up on having everything be the same," said Emmert,

Which begs the question from Mr. Emmert. If that is the case, and you were aware of this discrepancy, then why not proactively initiate changes to correct this issue.

 

[rogue cock]

This quote was taken from the article mentioned.
"We need to be ready to say, 'Yeah, you know, for field hockey, field hockey is different than football. Wrestling is different than lacrosse,' and not get so hung up on having everything be the same," said Emmert,

Which begs the question from Mr. Emmert. If that is the case, and you were aware of this discrepancy, then why not proactively initiate changes to correct this issue.

Probably because the NCAA was attempting to protect "amateur" athletics. Within 5-10 years you will be seeing the same criticism and challenges the USOC is beginning to see....if not sooner.

 

[Gaimcock]

Concedes that college athletics is moving towards deregulation and decentralization.

Emmert: 'Right time' to decentralize NCAA sports

NCAA President Mark Emmert said Thursday now is the "right time" to consider a decentralized and deregulated version of college sports.

www.espn.com

Based on the very basic concept of what Emmert suggested, the next 5, 10, 15 years will be series' of changes and adaptations to where different players of different sports become semi-pro, as do the very teams with witch they are members. The better players will wish to play for the specific teams that best brand and market their jerseys. Then again, some team fans will be able to group together to offer contractual dollar amount jersey sale guarantees!!

Gonna be interesting, and sure as Heck Hope our Athletic Department, President and Board realize just how to BEST proceed in regards to best blending our athletic teams on into the future and HEAVILY into the black as-well-as our W/L successes w/ each team!

Just saying, but like I said, its gonna be interesting to sit back and observe. I just hope we can succeed in doing so, and lead at such as-well.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Based on the very basic concept of what Emmert suggested, the next 5, 10, 15 years will be series' of changes and adaptations to where different players of different sports become semi-pro, as do the very teams with witch they are members. The better players will wish to play for the specific teams that best brand and market their jerseys. Then again, some team fans will be able to group together to offer contractual dollar amount jersey sale guarantees!!

Gonna be interesting, and sure as Heck Hope our Athletic Department, President and Board realize just how to BEST proceed in regards to best blending our athletic teams on into the future and HEAVILY into the black as-well-as our W/L successes w/ each team!

Just saying, but like I said, its gonna be interesting to sit back and observe. I just hope we can succeed in doing so, and lead at such as-well.

It was mentioned on CT years ago...and on GoGamecocks even before that...about the possibility of college athletics eventually moving away from the student/athlete paradigm to simply teams that are in some way linked to the school without the players necessarily being students. At the time, I dismissed the notion as totally absurd, but it now seems that will more likely than not eventually be the case. Basically semi-pro teams sponsored by the school or something like that, at least for football and men's basketball.

For me, if they aren't actually student athletes then it begs the question: who would even care at that point? I would not be able to carry on just pretending that this team was part of USC.

 

[PabloSC]

We are screwed.
NO WAY our leadership team can handle these types of decisions with any level of competency. We couldn't succeed when things were static (read not moving), and now that things are dynamic (read fluctuating), we will NEVER be able to make cutting edge adjusments to stay ahead of the pack. Very Sad, for us and for college athletics.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Which begs the question from Mr. Emmert. If that is the case, and you were aware of this discrepancy, then why not proactively initiate changes to correct this issue.

It’s because the NCAA is just the sports arm of the universities, and universities are so slow to change anything (and prefer to ride even a broken system into the ground than to be proactive about anything). And that’s not just the sports side of things, it’s every department on campus, and the thinking of every administrator as well.

 

[Gaimcock]

It was mentioned on CT years ago...and on GoGamecocks even before that...about the possibility of college athletics eventually moving away from the student/athlete paradigm to simply teams that are in some way linked to the school without the players necessarily being students. At the time, I dismissed the notion as totally absurd, but it now seems that will more likely than not eventually be the case. Basically semi-pro teams sponsored by the school or something like that, at least for football and men's basketball.

For me, if they aren't actually student athletes then it begs the question: who would even care at that point? I would not be able to carry on just pretending that this team was part of USC.

Exactly!! If the ________TEAM members aren't first and foremost part of the student team of the very college they're playing for, then what's the point of cheering them on??? Just asking! Anyone else's opinion appreciated!!

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Exactly!! If the ________TEAM members aren't first and foremost part of the student team of the very college they're playing for, then what's the point of cheering them on??? Just asking! Anyone else's opinion appreciated!!

Once the team is divorced from any meaningful association with the school, that will be it for me. I would see no use in pretending I'm still cheering for USC. I'm sure there are many out there who would be happy to carry on pretending it's still meaningful in some way.

The really sad thing is how short-sighted all this is. For all of its faults, college sports have afforded hundreds and hundreds of thousands (millions?) of students the opportunity at a college education who would not have otherwise had that opportunity. Many of those at the greatest disadvantage are your football and basketball players. So it's sad to see the push to move away from the system that provides them this education. I'm sure the opportunity will still be there in some way if they want it, but 18 year olds are dumb and if some kid knows he can play football without having to go to school, he may choose to do just that.

 

[statelinecock]

I've got a feeling SMU, Miami, of the 80s is going to look like a kindergarten teaparty compared to what's getting ready to happen. Hey it'll at least make for some insane documentaries 15 years from now.

 

[Boom4life]

Exactly!! If the ________TEAM members aren't first and foremost part of the student team of the very college they're playing for, then what's the point of cheering them on??? Just asking! Anyone else's opinion appreciated!!

Ok I’ll play. I don’t care if they go to school or not. To me it doesn’t matter, as long as USC fields a football team and they wear a usc jersey. Other than that idc

 

[Boom4life]

Once the team is divorced from any meaningful association with the school, that will be it for me. I would see no use in pretending I'm still cheering for USC. I'm sure there are many out there who would be happy to carry on pretending it's still meaningful in some way.

The really sad thing is how short-sighted all this is. For all of its faults, college sports have afforded hundreds and hundreds of thousands (millions?) of students the opportunity at a college education who would not have otherwise had that opportunity. Many of those at the greatest disadvantage are your football and basketball players. So it's sad to see the push to move away from the system that provides them this education. I'm sure the opportunity will still be there in some way if they want it, but 18 year olds are dumb and if some kid knows he can play football without having to go to school, he may choose to do just that.

I would argue he should do that. The problem is they don’t have a viable way to the next level without doing so. School is not for everyone. I went to college and have a degree of I could roll the clock back I wouldn’t. Nor do I push my kids to. Lots of money in trade jobs and it’s only going to get better. College is not a must. Just my opinion.

The more people we try to get a bs or a ba the more polluted the field is. Degrading the value of that degree.

 

[Gaimcock]

Ok I’ll play. I don’t care if they go to school or not. To me it doesn’t matter, as long as USC fields a football team and they wear a usc jersey. Other than that idc

IOW's, you want/prefer that our university simple place pro teams on the field, the mound, or on the court.

Gotcha. Uh, the panthers and hornets are right here in Charlotte, and rumor has that if ever a pro baseball team moves or they decide to add new teams, then Charlotte is on the very top of that list as well!! =;-p

 

[Gaimcock]

I went to college and have a degree of I could roll the clock back I wouldn’t.

Just curious, but where'd you graduate from?? No disrespect intended I assure you. Merely asking.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

I would argue he should do that. The problem is they don’t have a viable way to the next level without doing so. School is not for everyone. I went to college and have a degree of I could roll the clock back I wouldn’t. Nor do I push my kids to. Lots of money in trade jobs and it’s only going to get better. College is not a must. Just my opinion.

The more people we try to get a bs or a ba the more polluted the field is. Degrading the value of that degree.

I'm not against trade jobs. There is a dire need for many of them. And, the university system is currently flawed with students racking up major debt to obtain silly degrees. However, all the data consistently show that college graduates earn substantially more than those with just a high school diploma. Now, if you take the debt factor out of it and a kid gets to go to school 100% free, he's way ahead of the game. Yes, you have a lot of kids playing football and basketball who couldn't give a rip less about school. So what? You're still taking that kid, giving them a degree and the accompanying opportunity. There are, no doubt, tens of thousands of people in the work force who only got a college degree b/c they "had to" in order to play sports and their lives are far better off for it.

 

[Gaimcock]

I'm not against trade jobs. There is a dire need for many of them. And, the university system is currently flawed with students racking up major debt to obtain silly degrees. However, all the data consistently show that college graduates earn substantially more than those with just a high school diploma. Now, if you take the debt factor of it and a kid gets to go to school 100% free, he's way ahead of the game. Yes, you have a lot of kids playing football and basketball who couldn't give a rip less about school. So what? You're still taking that kid, giving them a degree and the accompanying opportunity. There are, no doubt, tens of thousands of people in the work force who only got a college degree b/c they "had to" in order to play sports and their lives are far better off for it.

Why Thank You GB for pointing out the obvious that some just do not comprehend the fitting importance of!!

 

[GarnetBeamer]

It'll also get interesting from the eligibility perspective. If everything is deregulated, then that means there's a real chance the 4 year eligibility limit would go away. You could have guys playing college football for a decade. Schools like Bama will be able to further concentrate their talent. Their top guys will get drafted. Guys who are really good, but not quite pro material will stick around and they'll add top recruits to that.

 

[Boom4life]

Just curious, but where'd you graduate from?? No disrespect intended I assure you. Merely asking.

Florida with a degree in foresty. I refused to go to Clemson even though they had a program. Florida’s forestry program was better anyway.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Florida with a degree in foresty. I refused to go to Clemson even though they had a program. Florida’s forestry program was better anyway.

This is only tangentially related. When my wife and I were living in Asia a few years back, we visited Thailand. I can't remember exactly what site we were visiting, but there was a "security guard" in an official looking uniform walking around (he had a billy club thing and pepper spray...can't remember if he was carrying). He was wearing a polo shirt that had what looked to be an official badge/patch on it. As he approached I glanced to see what the patch said...no joke...it was this:

This was on the heels of us trying to visit the official Palace. We were at the back gate and a guy on a tuk-tuk drove up to offer us a tour for a certain price. We told him we were going to see the palace. Whatever day of the week it was he said the palace was closed that day but he could take us to other places for a good price. There was a security guard standing right there listening to this whole conversation. We were bummed that the palace was close but declined and walked around the outside wall to the front to find the gates wide open with people streaming in and out.

 

[coolcock2001]

Cataclysmic!

 

[SC 95]

It was mentioned on CT years ago...and on GoGamecocks even before that...about the possibility of college athletics eventually moving away from the student/athlete paradigm to simply teams that are in some way linked to the school without the players necessarily being students. At the time, I dismissed the notion as totally absurd, but it now seems that will more likely than not eventually be the case. Basically semi-pro teams sponsored by the school or something like that, at least for football and men's basketball.

For me, if they aren't actually student athletes then it begs the question: who would even care at that point? I would not be able to carry on just pretending that this team was part of USC.

When I was at South Carolina, one of my classmates suggested the idea in a class discussion.

I could easily see a top-tier, semi-pro system made of athlete-students (order intentional) at the top football schools. Imagine a developmental league that included an educational component and about 40 teams playing an NFL-type schedule.

I like watching college-football, but I don't like the business of college football.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

When I was at South Carolina, one of my classmates suggested the idea in a class discussion.

I could easily see a top-tier, semi-pro system made of athlete-students (order intentional) at the top football schools. Imagine a developmental league that included an educational component and about 40 teams playing an NFL-type schedule.

I like watching college-football, but I don't like the business of college football.

Well, it got to be too top-heavy and was bound to come crashing down. It started with all the TV money that programs were raking in and then the out-of-control coaching salaries. I'm not in favor of players making money, but there is a problem when schools are taking in tens of millions of dollars and coaches are making $10 million a year. The money is just absurd. And then you have the facilities arms races which drives the need for more money.

What's crazy to me is how they keep marching ahead on a path that will inevitably be detrimental to the sport.

It wasn't until well into the 90s that top coaches started earning salaries that, adjusted for inflation, would come to over a million dollars today. And then it just exploded.

"Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction."

 

[Gaimcock]

Florida with a degree in foresty. I refused to go to Clemson even though they had a program. Florida’s forestry program was better anyway.

You're a Gator Grad Gamecock Fan??!!??

I mean you stated...

Ok I’ll play. I don’t care if they go to school or not. To me it doesn’t matter, as long as USC fields a football team and they wear a usc jersey. Other than that idc

It's all good of course! Just sayin'! But do tell, which one of us are you wanting win when pUFf vs Carolina takes place athletically??? Again, just asking! Its all good either way AFAIC!!!

 

[uscwatson21]

It was mentioned on CT years ago...and on GoGamecocks even before that...about the possibility of college athletics eventually moving away from the student/athlete paradigm to simply teams that are in some way linked to the school without the players necessarily being students. At the time, I dismissed the notion as totally absurd, but it now seems that will more likely than not eventually be the case. Basically semi-pro teams sponsored by the school or something like that, at least for football and men's basketball.

For me, if they aren't actually student athletes then it begs the question: who would even care at that point? I would not be able to carry on just pretending that this team was part of USC.

Football players haven’t been real student athletes in a long time.

There won’t be any real change other than people have to admit the reality they’ve been ignoring.

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

Mark Emmert is a bigger threat to college athletics than anything.

 

[Gaimcock]

Football players haven’t been real student athletes in a long time.

There won’t be any real change other than people have to admit the reality they’ve been ignoring.

Disagree - WADROC!! With such now being "officially" admitted publicly, there will be substantial changes over the next 5, 10 to 15 years. Just watch, you'll/we'll see!

 

[Boom4life]

You're a Gator Grad Gamecock Fan??!!??

I mean you stated...


It's all good of course! Just sayin'! But do tell, which one of us are you wanting win when pUFf vs Carolina takes place athletically??? Again, just asking! Its all good either way AFAIC!!!

Florida vs USC, I want usc winning. Your college degree has nothing to do with who you pull for and only give my money to USC not Florida. I grew up going to USC games. I only went to college for my career, they have a good forestry program that is well respected.

 

[uscedge21]

When I was at South Carolina, one of my classmates suggested the idea in a class discussion.

I could easily see a top-tier, semi-pro system made of athlete-students (order intentional) at the top football schools. Imagine a developmental league that included an educational component and about 40 teams playing an NFL-type schedule.

I like watching college-football, but I don't like the business of college football.

Yep! Why the charade of having any sort of collegiate affiliation. It will be a pay for play league. Nothing more, nothing less....

I am with you my friend!

 

[Gaimcock]

Your college degree has nothing to do with who you pull for and only give my money to USC not Florida. I grew up going to USC games.

Oh No Doubt There Now!!! Heck, I graduated w/ 2 Carolina Graduates (1 was my roommate for a couple of semesters) who are/were big time tigger fans, as-well-as know 2 architects that I grew up with that both graduated from clemons that are Big Time Gamecocks!! In fact, I myself was headed there with them (we all 3 had taken Mechanical Drawing classes for the previous 4 years from the 9th grade thru the 12th!!) as-well to major in Architecture, but the very summer right before I actually went to clemson as a freshman and as I was in process of signing in to do so, I met this gal transferring from out of state to USC, hence I changed my mind at the last minute!! She and I graduated in 88 and 89 respectfully, were together for 25 years and have 2 sons. Haven't even seen her in over 9 years and DO NOT EVEN MISS HER FWIW!!!!

G

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

It was mentioned on CT years ago...and on GoGamecocks even before that...about the possibility of college athletics eventually moving away from the student/athlete paradigm to simply teams that are in some way linked to the school without the players necessarily being students. At the time, I dismissed the notion as totally absurd, but it now seems that will more likely than not eventually be the case. Basically semi-pro teams sponsored by the school or something like that, at least for football and men's basketball.

For me, if they aren't actually student athletes then it begs the question: who would even care at that point? I would not be able to carry on just pretending that this team was part of USC.

Yeah because football teams not associated with colleges are not popular at all! I mean it’s not like the NFL is the most popular professional sports league in America or anything…

 

[Gaimcock]

Yeah because football teams not associated with colleges are not popular at all! I mean it’s not like the NFL is the most popular professional sports league in America or anything…

Dry irony no doubt (and it sucks FWIW), but at only 37%, it ain't like the nfl is important to the VAST majority by far!!

WADR OF COURSE!! It's All Good Now!! =;-p

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

Dry irony no doubt (and it sucks FWIW), but at only 37%, it ain't like the nfl is important to the VAST majority by far!!

WADR OF COURSE!! It's All Good Now!! =;-p

Can anybody translate?
I assume your 37% remark was referring to the “popularity percentage”

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the next closest sport-NBA- came in at 11%. I am not sure what you felt was ironic about calling the NFL the most popular pro sport in America when it clearly is and by a wide margin.

 

[Gaimcock]

Can anybody translate?
I assume your 37% remark was referring to the “popularity percentage”

20+ Most popular Sports in America (List by Statistics)

Check out the 20 Most popular Sports in America. NFL is currently the most popular and NBA is the highest paid sports in the US.

sportscriber.com

the next closest sport-NBA- came in at 11%. I am not sure what you felt was ironic about calling the NFL the most popular pro sport in America when it clearly is and by a wide margin.

Lighten up there young lady!! My reply was no more than a very dry and lighthearted "oh yeah, well..." toss of humor!! Jesús, and you had to get paragraphical in your reply to me!!! Lighten up now, Later!!

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[Gamecock Lifer]

Lighten up there young lady!! My reply was no more than a very dry and lighthearted "oh yeah, well..." toss of humor!! Jesús, and you had to get paragraphical in your reply to me!!! Lighten up now, Later!!

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I wasn’t picking a fight- you just lost me man! 😂

 

[king ward]

Once the team is divorced from any meaningful association with the school, that will be it for me. I would see no use in pretending I'm still cheering for USC. I'm sure there are many out there who would be happy to carry on pretending it's still meaningful in some way.

The really sad thing is how short-sighted all this is. For all of its faults, college sports have afforded hundreds and hundreds of thousands (millions?) of students the opportunity at a college education who would not have otherwise had that opportunity. Many of those at the greatest disadvantage are your football and basketball players. So it's sad to see the push to move away from the system that provides them this education. I'm sure the opportunity will still be there in some way if they want it, but 18 year olds are dumb and if some kid knows he can play football without having to go to school, he may choose to do just that.

I could not possibly agree more or express it better.

 

[Steves Visor]

Exactly!! If the ________TEAM members aren't first and foremost part of the student team of the very college they're playing for, then what's the point of cheering them on??? Just asking! Anyone else's opinion appreciated!!

As far as cheering for a team- I don’t really see it being an issue if the players aren’t students at the school for which they play.

The NFL is way more popular than college and the most of the players outside of a team’s core guys are transient players that are well paid to perform. However I’m happy to pull for those transient players while they represent the Panthers.

It’s interesting to think that folks continue to watch an inferior form of football solely because the players attend the same school from which they graduated. It’s even stranger that people cheers for a school that they never attended. (Clearly there are a lot of Walmart fans out there. Especially for the big schools. ie - bama football, UNC basketball, etc)

 

[Gaimcock]

I wasn’t picking a fight- you just lost me man! 😂

Hail, I lost myself 2 B honest!!! As I often do here on FGF, I was merely BS'n widcha from the get go!! Its All Good Though!! No Worries!!!

 

[Boom4life]

As far as cheering for a team- I don’t really see it being an issue if the players aren’t students at the school for which they play.

The NFL is way more popular than college and the most of the players outside of a team’s core guys are transient players that are well paid to perform. However I’m happy to pull for those transient players while they represent the Panthers.

It’s interesting to think that folks continue to watch an inferior form of football solely because the players attend the same school from which they graduated. It’s even stranger that people cheers for a school that they never attended. (Clearly there are a lot of Walmart fans out there. Especially for the big schools. ie - bama football, UNC basketball, etc)

Is it anymore strange to pull for a pro team not in your state. I personally don’t like the nfl. I do like mlb but I’m a Cubs fan from sc. I don’t think it’s strange at all for who people chose to pull for. It can be for a lot of reasons. I’m a Cubs fan because I grew up watching the Cubs with my grand father. Why did he watch the Cubs because they were on tv all the time.

 

[Gaimcock]

I could not possibly agree more or express it better.

ZACKLY!!!!

And Steves Visor...

As far as cheering for a team- I don’t really see it being an issue if the players aren’t students at the school for which they play.

The NFL is way more popular than college and the most of the players outside of a team’s core guys are transient players that are well paid to perform. However I’m happy to pull for those transient players while they represent the Panthers.

It’s interesting to think that folks continue to watch an inferior form of football solely because the players attend the same school from which they graduated. It’s even stranger that people cheers for a school that they never attended. (Clearly there are a lot of Walmart fans out there. Especially for the big schools. ie - bama football, UNC basketball, etc)

See this very initial post from Kingy that I'm replying to herein that's concurring with Garnet Beamer, as do I, here...

Once the team is divorced from any meaningful association with the school, that will be it for me. I would see no use in pretending I'm still cheering for USC. I'm sure there are many out there who would be happy to carry on pretending it's still meaningful in some way.

The really sad thing is how short-sighted all this is. For all of its faults, college sports have afforded hundreds and hundreds of thousands (millions?) of students the opportunity at a college education who would not have otherwise had that opportunity. Many of those at the greatest disadvantage are your football and basketball players. So it's sad to see the push to move away from the system that provides them this education. I'm sure the opportunity will still be there in some way if they want it, but 18 year olds are dumb and if some kid knows he can play football without having to go to school, he may choose to do just that.

 

[king ward]

As far as cheering for a team- I don’t really see it being an issue if the players aren’t students at the school for which they play.

The NFL is way more popular than college and the most of the players outside of a team’s core guys are transient players that are well paid to perform. However I’m happy to pull for those transient players while they represent the Panthers.

It’s interesting to think that folks continue to watch an inferior form of football solely because the players attend the same school from which they graduated. It’s even stranger that people cheers for a school that they never attended. (Clearly there are a lot of Walmart fans out there. Especially for the big schools. ie - bama football, UNC basketball, etc)

Either it's college football or it isn't. If it isn't, these quasi-professional teams need to start paying schools for the use if their names, trademarks, copyrights and resources. Really what needs to happen is for schools to stop lending their identities to these professional teams and turn their attention entirely to education.