I'm not trying to resurrect the HOF debate (we've already done that), but this is just about the dumbest ass move he could make.
Maybe he figures I'm not getting in so F*#k It.
SMH
Maybe he figures I'm not getting in so F*#k It.
SMH
OT: Pete Rose. He just doesn't get it
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Pete loves to bet, doesn't he live in Vegas half the year or something? LOL and MLB has its partnership with draft kings, so MLB likes betting as well these days, just not by active MLB players and managers. IMHO a living Pete is not getting in the HOF no matter what he does, so why not? He probably is just thinking. I'm going to do whatever I want to with the time I have left, HOF ship has sailed.
should have been in the HOF a long time ago in my opinion.
Kind of silly they don't induct him. It's baseball, not church. It's not like MLB otherwise operates by a high moral/ethical code.
In order to live a happy life, you have to follow your bliss. All things gambling seems to be what brings him joy.
Then so should Shoeless Joe Jackson.
Shoeless Joe shaved points, didn't Pete Rose bet for his own team and not against it? I still don't understand how believing you'll do better than the line is bad. Like the only way he could insure the bet is trying his damnedest to play the best he can, isn't that the point of competition?
His gambling addiction apparently keeps him in a constant state of financial difficulty based on repeated court documents. Odds are he isn’t getting into the HOF anyway so he’s going to do anything that could turn him a profit.
If I'm not mistaken shoeless Joe supposedly threw a game to win a bet. I think Pete Rose bet on other teams and if he did bet on the Reds it was to win. I was a huge Rose fan growing up but feel he should not be in. It was clearly posted in locker rooms back in the day and may still be that if you bet on baseball you are out of the game. If true he knew what he was jeopardizing and took the risk. I'm done with the victim mentality in this country.
Exactly. I wouldn’t care if he had a stripper on each arm for his induction speech. The man played baseball at an elite level and should be in the hall.
There’s plenty of guys in the hall of fame that won’t go down in history for being great people.
Yep. Agree with that too. The evidence against Shoeless Joe was circumstantial at best. The guy put up World Series stats that most players could only dream of.
So Pete Rose gets a lifetime ban for gambling. Ok. But the MLB just recently pulled their exclusive baseball card license from Topps Trading Card Co and gave the license to a company who also deals in sports gambling. How is that not total hypocrisy??
USCBatgirl21
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This.
Did he take the money? Yes.
Did he do anything to actually try to throw the Series? Nope.
The integrity of the game is a problem when a player or coach bets. Also, MLB had a problem when Rose did not place a bet. Questions arise when he did not bet on certain games.
Sounds logical...except for the fact that he himself agreed to the lifetime ban as part of the settlement with MLB. Kind of silly to argue that he should be inducted with an agreement in place that clearly states otherwise.
Look at Ty Cobb. He's kind of a low bar that even Rose gets over. Don't let him work in baseball? Sure. Don't let him in the HOF as a manager? Sure. Don't let him in as a player? C'mon, too far.
Love baseball but find it so amusing that as bad as it is that steroid boys get treated like child molesters and football steroid boys get treated as a simple violation of drug policy.
Riley. Go back and look at Ty Cobbs stats. Hit over.400 Three times. Hit over .320 22 seasons. That's a pretty damn high bar if you ask me. Don't think Roses numbers are near those . Later in his life they asked him what he would hit against modern players. Ty said about .300 or so. The reporter said only .300? Ty said he'll yes I'm 70 f'ing years old.
Rose and Cobb over 4000 hits. Nobody else even close. 20 years x 200 hits+ per. Hard to wrap your brain around that. And Cobb playing in the dead ball and spit ball era.
Not accurate.
"He received a lifetime ban from baseball in 1989 when an investigation by John Dowd showed Rose bet on baseball games, including the Cincinnati Reds, the team he managed. He signed an agreement on Aug. 24, 1989, accepting an indefinite suspension.
Yet, when he signed the agreement, he was unaware the Hall of Fame would pass a rule two years later banning any player on MLB’s ineligible list to be on the Hall of Fame ballot, whether dead or alive."
Opinion: Pete Rose is never going to be reinstated by MLB or get on Baseball Hall of Fame ballot
Pete Rose, baseball's all-time hits leader, is using the Astros cheating scandal to make his case for reinstatement, 30 years after he was suspended.
www.usatoday.com
Basically MLB pulled a fast one on him.
Yep and for what because he bet on baseball? I’m sorry this is one instance where the crime doesn’t fit the punishment. Him betting had no effect on his playingNot accurate.
"He received a lifetime ban from baseball in 1989 when an investigation by John Dowd showed Rose bet on baseball games, including the Cincinnati Reds, the team he managed. He signed an agreement on Aug. 24, 1989, accepting an indefinite suspension.
Yet, when he signed the agreement, he was unaware the Hall of Fame would pass a rule two years later banning any player on MLB’s ineligible list to be on the Hall of Fame ballot, whether dead or alive."
Opinion: Pete Rose is never going to be reinstated by MLB or get on Baseball Hall of Fame ballot
Pete Rose, baseball's all-time hits leader, is using the Astros cheating scandal to make his case for reinstatement, 30 years after he was suspended.www.usatoday.com
Basically MLB pulled a fast one on him.
I happen to be gambling next to Pete at Caesars Palace one night and the dude was making big bucks... Now he could have lost it all after I left... He spoke with us a little and seemed to be a pretty nice guy.... Pete was my favorite player from back in the day and should be in the HOF regardless of his past.
Not talking about Cobbs' stats. I'm talking about his character. A lot of issues.
I don’t remember much of the facts concerning what he did or didn’t do as far as betting on the games is concerned. But after watching him play for many many years I’m pretty sure he didn’t do anything while playing the game but give his heart and soul to winning the game. I guess if they want a managers Hall of Fame he didn’t deserve to be in. But If they want the best players who ever played the game to be in the hof then he should be there.
If you grew up in that era watching Pete play there’s no doubt he should be in the Hall for what he did as a player. He was one of the impact players of his time.
It’s an injustice to bar him from the Hall while guys with lesser stats get in.
I’m also of the opinion that Shoeless Joe should be enshrined.
It’s an injustice to bar him from the Hall while guys with lesser stats get in.
I’m also of the opinion that Shoeless Joe should be enshrined.
Not accurate.
"He received a lifetime ban from baseball in 1989 when an investigation by John Dowd showed Rose bet on baseball games, including the Cincinnati Reds, the team he managed. He signed an agreement on Aug. 24, 1989, accepting an indefinite suspension.
Yet, when he signed the agreement, he was unaware the Hall of Fame would pass a rule two years later banning any player on MLB’s ineligible list to be on the Hall of Fame ballot, whether dead or alive."
Opinion: Pete Rose is never going to be reinstated by MLB or get on Baseball Hall of Fame ballot
Pete Rose, baseball's all-time hits leader, is using the Astros cheating scandal to make his case for reinstatement, 30 years after he was suspended.www.usatoday.com
Basically MLB pulled a fast one on him.
That's a nice attempt to spin the story, but I'm afraid that's not accurate...
On August 23, 1989, as punishment for betting on baseball, Cincinnati Reds manager Pete Rose accepts a settlement that includes a lifetime ban from the game.
Although Rose continued to proclaim his innocence, he was eventually persuaded to accept a settlement that included a lifetime ban from the game. At a subsequent press conference, Giamatti characterized Rose’s acceptance of the ban as a no-contest plea to the charges against him.
Pete Rose gets booted from baseball | August 23, 1989 | HISTORY
On August 23, 1989, as punishment for betting on baseball, Cincinnati Reds manager Pete Rose accepts a settlement that includes a lifetime ban from the game. The ban is publicly announced the following morning. A heated debate continues to rage as to whether Rose, a former player who remains the...
www.history.com
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The Banning of Pete Rose refers to a 1989 agreement between Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti and Pete Rose whereby Rose agreed to be banned from baseball for life in return for baseball not making a formal determination about whether or not he had bet on baseball.
Banning of Pete Rose - BR Bullpen
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Pete Rose’s application for reinstatement to baseball was rejected Monday by Commissioner Rob Manfred, who concluded the career hits leader continued to gamble even while trying to end his lifetime ban and would risk the sport’s integrity if allowed back in the game.
Rose agreed to the ban in August 1989 after an investigation for Major League Baseball by lawyer John Dowd found Rose placed numerous bets on the Cincinnati Reds to win from 1985-87 while playing for and managing the team.
Strike 3: Pete Rose's Plea For Reinstatement Rejected By Rob Manfred
Pete Rose's application for reinstatement was rejected Monday by baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred, who cited his continued gambling.
newyork.cbslocal.com
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The rest of the story is that MLBs investigation was about to start looking at if Rose had, in fact, bet on the Reds to lose. At that point, both sides agreed to a settlement. MLB didn't pull a fast one...it just allowed Rose to save a slight bit of face.
I don't know if he would take that bet? He should be pretty good at betting after all this time and practice, I'm not sure that one is going to come through
Not sure what you are talking about he was a mean spirited SOB on the forehead who would do what it took to win even if it meant spiking someone . Yes he was an asshole off the field ? What does that have to do with HOF inclusion ? Zip. Rose as a player should be in the Hall . His stats are good enough. His banishment and signed acceptance deny him the Hall. Sad but true.
That's a nice attempt to spin the story, but I'm afraid that's not accurate...
On August 23, 1989, as punishment for betting on baseball, Cincinnati Reds manager Pete Rose accepts a settlement that includes a lifetime ban from the game.
Although Rose continued to proclaim his innocence, he was eventually persuaded to accept a settlement that included a lifetime ban from the game. At a subsequent press conference, Giamatti characterized Rose’s acceptance of the ban as a no-contest plea to the charges against him.
Pete Rose gets booted from baseball | August 23, 1989 | HISTORY
On August 23, 1989, as punishment for betting on baseball, Cincinnati Reds manager Pete Rose accepts a settlement that includes a lifetime ban from the game. The ban is publicly announced the following morning. A heated debate continues to rage as to whether Rose, a former player who remains the...
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The Banning of Pete Rose refers to a 1989 agreement between Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti and Pete Rose whereby Rose agreed to be banned from baseball for life in return for baseball not making a formal determination about whether or not he had bet on baseball.
Banning of Pete Rose - BR Bullpen
www.baseball-reference.com
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Pete Rose’s application for reinstatement to baseball was rejected Monday by Commissioner Rob Manfred, who concluded the career hits leader continued to gamble even while trying to end his lifetime ban and would risk the sport’s integrity if allowed back in the game.
Rose agreed to the ban in August 1989 after an investigation for Major League Baseball by lawyer John Dowd found Rose placed numerous bets on the Cincinnati Reds to win from 1985-87 while playing for and managing the team.
Strike 3: Pete Rose's Plea For Reinstatement Rejected By Rob Manfred
Pete Rose's application for reinstatement was rejected Monday by baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred, who cited his continued gambling.
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The rest of the story is that MLBs investigation was about to start looking at if Rose had, in fact, bet on the Reds to lose. At that point, both sides agreed to a settlement. MLB didn't pull a fast one...it just allowed Rose to save a slight bit of face.
You're confusing the lifetime ban (or sometimes reported as "indefinite suspension" as above) from MLB with being ineligible for induction into the HOF. They are two separate, but easily confused, issues.
It was after his ban from MLB that the HOF passed a rule banning those players on the permanently ineligible list from induction.
The issue at hand is not whether he deserves to play baseball again. As we all know, he agreed to that in 1989. The totally separate issue is whether he should be in the HOF and he never agreed to a ban from the HOF.
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Ty Cobb played baseball like Pete Rose on steroids. Only without the steroids.
