Lol yeah, compared to you I'm sure I am. But with better table manners. 🙂You saw Ty Cobb play?
I was alive at the same time as Cobb.
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OT: Pete Rose. He just doesn't get it
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I was alive at the same time as Cobb.
Still spinning, and still incorrect. What exactly is the purpose of a 'lifetime ban' that applies only to playing? That's pointless, because age ultimately imposes a ban on everyone that has ever played. In the twilight of his career, MLB levied a severe punishment that was otherwise forthcoming in the very near future anyway?
The reality is that the investigation was headed down a path that would ultimately show that he did bet on the Reds to lose. That revelation wouldn't have been good for anyone involved. The easy way out of that predicament for both the league and player was to permanently ban him from the game, including consideration for the HOF. I remember that agreement being a big deal at the time because of the HOF implications.
It's also telling that Rose has appealed his (agreed upon) ban to every commissioner that has held the position since Giamatti. And each one has said, 'no thanks'. He broke the cardinal rule of baseball. He denied it until he couldn't. He agreed to a lifetime ban in order to avoid making a very bad situation even worse. And the ban prohibits his induction into the HOF. It's about as cut and dry a situation as anyone can imagine, unless you want to practice some sort of revisionist history.
We're kind of arguing the same point here regarding character being overvalued when judging HOF. Whether true or not (mostly untrue) there were always issues (including murder(s) that didn't happen) surrounding Cobb during and after baseball but he got in because of his superior talent. Rose's behavior (mostly true) occurred after playing and shouldn't keep him from the HOF.
We don't know if Rose bet on the Reds, Phillies or Expos while he was playing. He settled with MLB before the investigation got that far. It's proven that he bet on the Reds as a manager, that is while part of the Reds organization and still very active within MLB. He unfortunately disqualified himself for the HOF through both his actions and his agreed upon settlement.
Believe me, he gets it. He just doesnt care. What hes doing with his comments and statements is seeing what his power can be. He still gambles I am told. So he really doesnt give a crap. He just wants to win. Probably a bentnose bet among his buds.
I don't think a player today doing what Cobb did would ever get in to the HOF. Cobb was voted into the HOF in 1936, a different time.
I saw him one time in a sports memorabilia store inside the Forum Shops at Caesar's Palace and he looked rough. He was there signing autographs for cha-ching...
