Our players made the difference during our titles, not coaching.

[TheRoosterGuru]

We just got some players that's chemistry and swagger was so great that everything just fell in place for us. Roth just came out of nowhere. Wingo and Mooney on defense was perfect chemistry. Price, man he is one of the best closers in our school history. JBJ was just so clutch in tense situations. Christian Walker and Evan Marzili was pretty great too, Adam Matthews bless his heart is a wonderful human being and I know him personally was great. We just don't have the umpf we had during those years now.

We had some phenoms in Smoak and Havens that were just pure talented baseball players but those teams really never panned out that they played on. And I believe this team and the last couple of teams has/had a lot of talent too, just no chemistry or fire in their bellies.


The 2013 Red Sox champs reminded me of our national title teams. Chemistry is why I think we won those titles and a lot of luck.

 

[2tone]

Great players..but coaching has everything to do with who is recruited, who plays, how they are developed/coached, and how they r MOTIVATED.... hopefully Both aspects will click here, soon....

 

[searooster]

Trailer park, I was thinking the same thing today, and it seems I recall Tanner saying something similar in an interview after the championship game in 2010, that he just happened to have a bunch of guys who weren't necessarily the most talented bunch in the country, but just had a good mental approach to the game. Can't always recruit that, just has to happen sometimes.

 

[atl-cock]

Originally posted by TrailerParkBoy:
We just got some players that's chemistry and swagger was so great that everything just fell in place for us. Roth just came out of nowhere. Wingo and Mooney on defense was perfect chemistry. Price, man he is one of the best closers in our school history. JBJ was just so clutch in tense situations. Christian Walker and Evan Marzili was pretty great too, Adam Matthews bless his heart is a wonderful human being and I know him personally was great. We just don't have the umpf we had during those years now.

We had some phenoms in Smoak and Havens that were just pure talented baseball players but those teams really never panned out that they played on. And I believe this team and the last couple of teams has/had a lot of talent too, just no chemistry or fire in their bellies.


The 2013 Red Sox champs reminded me of our national title teams. Chemistry is why I think we won those titles and a lot of luck.

Great post.

I suggested the lack of a team leader in another post, but upon reflection, that goes hand-in-hand with team chemistry.

Don't forget Wingo and Haney in 2010.

 

[Mox94]

Talent is the KEY ingredient. Always has been, always will be. Urban Meyer was a genius at Florida, them had a talent drop and suddenly had lost touch. Spurrier was a genius in these parts for three years. Talent dip last year and many on here claim he is now an idiot that the game has passed by. Remember when K got to Duke? Little talent, and after three years many wanted him fired. Doubt he changed his coaching much, but got better players. Regardless of what many think, few of these guys are on the genius pedestal so many often want to out them on. Nor are they the total idiots that many label when things go bad. It all about talent folks.

 

[sclawman77]

Talent is necessary but putting the right guys in the right spots is all about managing. For example, freshman Evan Marzilli being our leadoff guy throughout the 2010 playoffs was Tanner's call and one of the reasons we won it all (Evan made the All-CWS team that year and was always on base in the NCAA tournament). Marzilli played sparingly during the 2010 regular season but Tanner took the risk of letting him lead off and it ended up being a genius move. Starting Roth against Clemson was another genius move in Omaha but Calvi gets credit for that too.

This post was edited on 3/4 8:54 PM by sclawman77

 

[coxman]

I think Holbrook is on to something moving Schrock to LF. None of the other LFers have looked good and Schrock was struggling at 2B.

 

[coxman]

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[garnet_reign]

Wow, yeah coaching is irrelevant, unless it's Lorenzo Ward, then coaching is the whole problem and nothing but the problem.

Thanks for the entertainment.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by garnet_reign:
Wow, yeah coaching is irrelevant, unless it's Lorenzo Ward, then coaching is the whole problem and nothing but the problem.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Ward is the problem because he can't coach and the players that aren't getting it done so he is doubly to blame. As far as baseball goes. The players are "the problem." The problems though isn't that they haven't got talent. The problem is they aren't gamers like the guys we had that won those championships. They need to find that absolute refusal to lose that those guys had in their souls. I don't know. I am just not seeing great heart in these players yet. I guess maybe because it's early, I don't know.

This post was edited on 3/5 2:15 AM by ReadR00ster

 

[raycock2001]

"Ward is the problem because he can't coach and the players that aren't getting it done so he is doubly to blame."


You know, I still havent seen a good answer to my question of if Ward is so terrible a coach, why did he have top 20 defenses in 2012 & 2013? He was the same guy, running the same schemes, making the defensive calls. He had more talent, but yes, he helped recruit that talent.

 

[bucketdad]

Agree, chemistry is way up there. Probably with the ranks of pitching. But the great thing about baseball is there's time for that. And the truth is it doesn't really matter how we're doing right now. All that matters is playing well and jelling when the time comes. Seen many a team in HS have to win their last game just to make the playoffs... then go on to make a deep run knocking off team after team as an underdog. It's one of many reasons I do love this game.

 

[USCBatgirl21]

Originally posted by bucketdad:

Agree, chemistry is way up there. Probably with the ranks of pitching. But the great thing about baseball is there's time for that. And the truth is it doesn't really matter how we're doing right now. All that matters is playing well and jelling when the time comes. Seen many a team in HS have to win their last game just to make the playoffs... then go on to make a deep run knocking off team after team as an underdog. It's one of many reasons I do love this game.

Sounds like us in 2010.

 

[bucketdad]

Originally posted by USCBatgirl21:

Originally posted by bucketdad:

Agree, chemistry is way up there. Probably with the ranks of pitching. But the great thing about baseball is there's time for that. And the truth is it doesn't really matter how we're doing right now. All that matters is playing well and jelling when the time comes. Seen many a team in HS have to win their last game just to make the playoffs... then go on to make a deep run knocking off team after team as an underdog. It's one of many reasons I do love this game.

Sounds like us in 2010.

Exactly!
It's the nature of the game

 

[bosoxcock]

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by garnet_reign:
Wow, yeah coaching is irrelevant, unless it's Lorenzo Ward, then coaching is the whole problem and nothing but the problem.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Ward is the problem because he can't coach and the players that aren't getting it done so he is doubly to blame. As far as baseball goes. The players are "the problem." The problems though isn't that they haven't got talent. The problem is they aren't gamers like the guys we had that won those championships. They need to find that absolute refusal to lose that those guys had in their souls. I don't know. I am just not seeing great heart in these players yet. I guess maybe because it's early, I don't know.



This post was edited on 3/5 2:15 AM by ReadR00ster

Typical, Read, he wants it both ways, whichever way fits his argument






This post was edited on 3/5 11:17 AM by bosoxcock

 

[jackal3]

It was Tanner's brilliance that got JBJ to bounce a ground ball through the right side down to our last strike.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by raycock2001:
"Ward is the problem because he can't coach and the players that aren't getting it done so he is doubly to blame."


You know, I still havent seen a good answer to my question of if Ward is so terrible a coach, why did he have top 20 defenses in 2012 & 2013? He was the same guy, running the same schemes, making the defensive calls. He had more talent, but yes, he helped recruit that talent.

It's been said 100 freaking times on here!!!! Ward was playing with talent recruited that wasn't his, his first two seasons. He doesn't get any dang credit for those players!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those players didn't need his sorry coaching, and the defense STILL!!!!!!! got worse from one season to the next under him!!! CASE CLOSED!!!! Don't bring up this crap again because, Hoke is here and Ward is on his way out the door and there is a reason for it dang it!!!!


This post was edited on 3/5 3:03 PM by ReadR00ster

 

[Number1pjones]

It's the same with football. It's not having the field covered with 4* players on both sides of the ball. You need elite game changers. Do people really believe it was a coincidence that Lattimore and Clowney just happened to be on the team during the most successful period in our history? Big time players elevate teams to competitive levels and big time players KEEP them there.

 

[raycock2001]

ReadRooster--First off, this is a free board, I'll bring up whatever I wish to, as long as it's within the board's guidelines.
2nd...playing with talent recruited that wasn't his? Really? Some of those guys said Ward was the reason they came to Carolina. Plus, no matter who recruited them, Ward still coached them, and they finished 2012 and 2013 in the top 20 in defense. Last year. they were playing without 5 players, who at one time or another, were on NFL rosters this past season.
You know, if the day comes that Spurrier decides its time for Ward to go, then I'll say fine, because Spurrier has been around the coaching profession for a long time. However, I noticed, that while he got Ward some help, he didnt can him so guess the case ISN'T CLOSED. Sad to see the agenda some always have on here for some of our coaches, and feel their solution is the ONLY one.